Stetson76 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 There's an amazing amount of bad logic on your part if you let people run over you in wartime by trying to get a useless senate seat. So you're saying that because Haflinger considered it an act of war we all should have lined up behind him and said "sir yes sir!" See despite your attempts at characterizing Purple Unity as tyrants that march in lockstep we actually have our own thoughts and work together to come up with solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 if you want votes then spam the people not in alliances becuase i dont want a buch of people telling me to vote for someone and clogging up my inbox Delete the message/ignore the user. Two brilliant functions. As an alternative, Michiel De Ruyter will be there for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spynwyzard Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I'm just a n00b (check my ID) but what grand power / impact does the senate have anyway? (aside from this thread) Not trying to hijack, de-rail, or demean. Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Try reading.<Haflinger> I consider your spam messages an attempt to impersonate PEACE government officials. <Haflinger> You're obviously copying our format. <Haflinger> Impersonating alliance government is an act of war, however. I seem to remember something similar with Spider Jerusalem. I havent forgotten btw, still 1-0 to you SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildThing Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Right now its pretty much like watching the PEACE alliances being spun around like a TOP. Hahahaha, that was pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I'm just a n00b (check my ID) but what grand power / impact does the senate have anyway? (aside from this thread)Not trying to hijack, de-rail, or demean. Just curious. Not really, which is why I don't get all the fuss. So you're saying that because Haflinger considered it an act of war we all should have lined up behind him and said "sir yes sir!" See despite your attempts at characterizing Purple Unity as tyrants that march in lockstep we actually have our own thoughts and work together to come up with solutions. I didn't say Purple Unity as a whole was going to war. However, if Invicta went to war I believe there's this thing called the "treaty web" that would drag most of purple in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shovel Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I'm just a n00b (check my ID) but what grand power / impact does the senate have anyway? (aside from this thread)Not trying to hijack, de-rail, or demean. Just curious. They can sanction people (stop them trading on a specific sphere) that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer04 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 well i dont want your messages in there btw why dont you try to join peace that way you get a spot in there oficially and people wont be so mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) I'm just a n00b (check my ID) but what grand power / impact does the senate have anyway? (aside from this thread)Not trying to hijack, de-rail, or demean. Just curious. It's a symbol of power for alliances large enough to have one or more seats, it's also a method of control for a sphere since Senators can sanction or remove sanctions on players. The senate was used as a tool for war back in the days of Vox Populi to some great extent. Though there really is no point to senate seats now other than sanctioning rogues or sending Team-messages that nobody reads. So it all boils down to being a symbol of power on a sphere. Edited October 23, 2009 by Emperor Marx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 They can sanction people (stop them trading on a specific sphere) that's it. Its actually crap but the race is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 And by Haflinger's words, writing a generic message is the same as impersonating a government official Let's go through this for the ten thousandth time, shall we? Haf's argument was that they should have specified they were asking people to vote for a Stickmen candidate, as we specify in our messages that we're asking them to vote for a PEACE candidate, and that the ambiguity on their part can be interpreted as an official message from us by the more inactive, laidback nations in our larger alliances (OOC: people who spend 10 minutes a week on the game). They responded by saying that it's our nation's fault that they weren't able to discern this themselves and that any misplaced votes are the sole fault of the voter. Which really makes one wonder, if I were to go spam, say, IRON with target lists for ODN nations, and some members didn't bother to fact-check and simply declared, would I be absolved of any possible guilt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shovel Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 well i dont want your messages in therebtw why dont you try to join peace that way you get a spot in there oficially and people wont be so mad Again: PEACE own purple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shovel Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Its actually crap but the race is not. Pretty much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Again: PEACE own purple? Apparently so. Fight the power, Stickmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildThing Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 If only senators were worth more. Something like 10 senators per colour sphere, and sphere's have 5 options of which senators can choose 1 of that give all nations on that colour some kind of bonus. With each 5 options giving a benefit that would be worth more to different nation types/sizes. Would make for senators actually being worth a lot to different alliances, and much more drama would ensue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer04 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 no we dont but alot of purple alliances are in peace and the only people getting mad are in peace so by joining our alliances will make sure you always get a senate seat and people will no longer be mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromp Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Which really makes one wonder, if I were to go spam, say, IRON with target lists for ODN nations, and some members didn't bother to fact-check and simply declared, would I be absolved of any possible guilt? Depends if you think spamming nations asking to vote for a certain senator equals sending other alliance members target lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 no we dont but alot of purple alliances are in peace and the only people getting mad are in peace so by joining our alliances will make sure you always get a senate seat and people will no longer be mad So basically in order to exercise a sovereign right you have to join a bloc you don't want to just to not make people angry with you in gaining a senate seat on your sphere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) Which really makes one wonder, if I were to go spam, say, IRON with target lists for ODN nations, and some members didn't bother to fact-check and simply declared, would I be absolved of any possible guilt? I think a target list is a bit different than a meaningless senate seat. Edited October 23, 2009 by Unavailable Contact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biain Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 So basically in order to exercise a sovereign right you have to join a bloc you don't want to just to not make people angry with you in gaining a senate seat on your sphere? its not about gaining a senate seat, it's about the means in which you obtain a seat, spamming in annoying and quite dishonourable and Stickmen is dragging its own name through the mud by doing this. Also, why did you join purple if you didn't want to join PEACE unless there were exterior motives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmacis Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Michiel de Ruyters to you my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 its not about gaining a senate seat, it's about the means in which you obtain a seat, spamming in annoying and quite dishonourable and Stickmen is dragging its own name through the mud by doing this.Also, why did you join purple if you didn't want to join PEACE unless there were exterior motives. We joined purple because we liked the color far more than our other assorted colors, and Stickmen needed to be united. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shovel Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 its not about gaining a senate seat, it's about the means in which you obtain a seat, spamming in annoying and quite dishonourable and Stickmen is dragging its own name through the mud by doing this.Also, why did you join purple if you didn't want to join PEACE unless there were exterior motives. The main reason to move colour was for Stickmen to be together, united, and the main reason for purple was that there were ample trades but small enough so we could have an impact, not necessarily a bad impact, before Alterego tries to spin my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 its not about gaining a senate seat, it's about the means in which you obtain a seat, spamming in annoying and quite dishonourable and Stickmen is dragging its own name through the mud by doing this.Also, why did you join purple if you didn't want to join PEACE unless there were exterior motives. You making it sound that joining PEACE is a requirement to move to the purple sphere. We have our own motives. Thanks for your concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Depends if you think spamming nations asking to vote for a certain senator equals sending other alliance members target lists. I think a target list is a bit different than a meaningless senate seat. It's a different degree, correct, but it's the general concept I'm getting at. Would you agree that when someone asks someone to do something they wouldn't ordinarily do, at least a small part of the blame rests in the one who asks? Would you not ask the asker to stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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