Uberstein Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I have a question. In the "Oh hi thar Finland" thread, did I do anything against the rules? I do not believe so. 1. I had all 3 of the characters in question completely in my control, thus, I am not breaking the "No leaders can die" rule because Comrade knew perfectly well they were in a dangerous situation (Aka, in control of my government). They were in a situation where they were their entire lives were under my control, because they were in my prisons. 2. The plane, using a standard turboprop transport, weights about 11,000kg and was going ~370mph, crashing into harbor-depth waters at full speed. We all know that water "Shatters" things going at high speeds that hit them, because of the sudden slowdown, and a human body hitting water at 370mph while metal and fire hits it from behind isn't going to survive. 3. Earlier on he posted "I quit" and only later came back, now I may be wrong about this, but I remember the guidelines saying that means he forfeit all connections to Molakia, meaning it's civilians and leaders. If I'm wrong about this, than I retract this point. 4. I know this has little influence on any decisions, but I DID flip a coin. I am generally against retcons, but if I honestly did something that broke the rules, then I will concede the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Honestly Uber its a respect thing. A person spends a great deal of time creating characters and putting time into shaping them, I could understand the killing of one or even two, but three seems a bit much to completely kill. In addition, I also think for the death of any character you should ask for the other RP for their death. Yes, some of us won't let people die, but at the same time, being imprisoned and all that there should be some concessions reached. What I would like to see at this point is for you and Comrade talk about the characters and possibly letting a few of them live at the moment so that he can continue on with his RP. However, it was perfectly legal and does not have to be rewritten unless both parties agree and while I disagree with it. Nothing is dramatically wrong or illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Honestly Uber its a respect thing. A person spends a great deal of time creating characters and putting time into shaping them, I could understand the killing of one or even two, but three seems a bit much to completely kill. In addition, I also think for the death of any character you should ask for the other RP for their death. Yes, some of us won't let people die, but at the same time, being imprisoned and all that there should be some concessions reached. What I would like to see at this point is for you and Comrade talk about the characters and possibly letting a few of them live at the moment so that he can continue on with his RP. However, it was perfectly legal and does not have to be rewritten unless both parties agree and while I disagree with it. Nothing is dramatically wrong or illegal. I let several other characters go (aka, his entire parliament and 2 people from the trial, and anyone who wasn't in Kotka when I captured it.), but sure, I'll flip a coin to see if one of them survived, though I can't really understand how. I'll contact AJ later about how to keep a brain alive in a jar or how somebody strapped into a seat could survive such an impact. Also, I've acted polite the entire time, even when he declared war on me for no reason, personally I believe if there is an issue of respect, Comrade owes me an apology for essentially telling me to "$%&@ off" when I tried to discuss the war OOC. And then we have the fact that he personally sent me a PM declaring, "So be it. Consider all your characters fairgame for retalition". I don't really care if somebody takes a shot at my characters, but what I see here is OOC-motivated aggression. None of my characters (except for the Hyena) had ANYTHING to do with this. There is no reason for anyone to attack them because of the actions of a terrorist group. His declaration is completely OOC and is blurring the IC/OOC line to a point of a RL vendetta. I have acted defensively this entire time, and I intend to continue to act defensively, though I don't take kindly to threats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Personally I wouldn't want my characters to die unless I had some say in it. Just like any other fictional character we can become attached to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Nobody WANTS their characters to die, but IC actions have IC consequences. I'm mainly bothered by how Comrade is turning this OOC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) Nobody WANTS their characters to die, but IC actions have IC consequences.I'm mainly bothered by how Comrade is turning this OOC. The killing of a major character is something that, out of respect for a fellow RPer in the community, should not be done without that person's permission. This is especially when you kill them via airplane crash or any other means in which the RPer that created the character has no way of continuing that major character. This goes for everyone's major characters, even yours. I know you wouldn't like it if someone killed Uberstein right now. Edited December 23, 2009 by Voodoo Nova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) The killing of a major character is something that, out of respect for a fellow RPer in the community, should not be done without that person's permission. This is especially when you kill them via airplane crash or any other means in which the RPer that created the character has no way of continuing that major character. This goes for everyone's major characters, even yours. I know you wouldn't like it if someone killed Uberstein right now. Eh, it would mostly just mess up some short term plans I have for him, but nothing major. The man is getting old. And then I have the fun RP of all of his insane nephews fighting for his fortune. But the point is, it was fully within my rights to do this, I broke no rules, though I admit I should have given him maybe 24 hours notice that I was going to flip a coin just to be polite. Also, I believe it was you that tried to do something much like this before, I remember a diplomat or leader of yours pulling a gun on Uberstein's body double. Or was that someone else, my memory is far from perfect, lol. Edited December 23, 2009 by BaronUberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Eh, it would mostly just mess up some short term plans I have for him, but nothing major. The man is getting old. And then I have the fun RP of all of his insane nephews fighting for his fortune. But the point is, it was fully within my rights to do this, I broke no rules, though I admit I should have given him maybe 24 hours notice that I was going to flip a coin just to be polite. Also, I believe it was you that tried to do something much like this before, I remember a diplomat or leader of yours pulling a gun on Uberstein's body double. Or was that someone else, my memory is far from perfect, lol. I shot the real Uber, you never stated it was a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) I shot the real Uber, you never stated it was a double. Yes, I did, near the beginning of the war, I RPed somebody taking Uberstein's place. The son of Gustafsson (Forgot that guy's first name). Are you really going to try and re-start that argument? *le sigh* Edited December 23, 2009 by BaronUberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 My arguement has been said by several other, respected RPers. Its safe to assume I dont have to add anything. You want to work out a deal? Hop onto IRC or shoot a PM. If your not going to Negotiate, than dont bother. Im going to continue on my merry way with my RPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Once again, as unfortunate as this is. The move was legal, it is a very disrespectful move, but given the circumstances of the war and the trial, etc. And the fact that both Comrade and Uber refuse to work together, therefore, without a rewrite, the plane ride happened and the consequences stand as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Once again, as unfortunate as this is. The move was legal, it is a very disrespectful move, but given the circumstances of the war and the trial, etc. And the fact that both Comrade and Uber refuse to work together, therefore, without a rewrite, the plane ride happened and the consequences stand as such. And the "loldoubles"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 And the "loldoubles"? From this point...doubles must be RPed in the thread, just not assumed. If they all of a sudden become doubles then it will be illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) All right...after turning my hair white, the consequences from the following RP will stay. There is no rewrite. Thanks. Edited December 23, 2009 by Sarah Tintagyl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I'll make a point to inform people more in the future, sorry about that. I will admit it was a mistake not to contact him before the RP, but I'm glad to see I didn't break any rules here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=2050808 Requesting confirmation that I may proceed to RP walkers/rudimentary mechs for character RP, but not war. Edited December 24, 2009 by Lynneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=2050808Requesting confirmation that I may proceed to RP walkers/rudimentary mechs for character RP, but not war. Confirmed....please don't over do it...and I will be looking out for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Confirmed....please don't over do it...and I will be looking out for this. Me, overdo it? I'm one of the few really sane people here, Sarah, you know that. (And about the only one with common sense. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Me, overdo it?I'm one of the few really sane people here, Sarah, you know that. (And about the only one with common sense. ) lord..................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 lord..................................... Hahahaha seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 I'd like spy rolls on finding someone via triangulation or tracking of their messages. And based on these IC messages: I'm going off that I can track where he's sending them from, if it's radio, from triangulation. My government doesn't have internet, just Intranet, meaning it can't be email unless he's in my system. Thanks. And don't worry, I don't plan to kill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 (edited) Me, overdo it?I'm one of the few really sane people here, Sarah, you know that. (And about the only one with common sense. ) Hey! You saying I don;t have comon sense? Edited December 26, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Also just putting this out there...you want anything and I mean anything that Lynneth, Lavo, or V will ever use in RPs as to robotics, you MUST talk to me, Ty(Californian), or Elrich first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavo Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Also just putting this out there...you want anything and I mean anything that Lynneth, Lavo, or V will ever use in RPs as to robotics, you MUST talk to me, Ty(Californian), or Elrich first. I already have some robotized walkers (no, not fancy AI). Is this an issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I already have some robotized walkers (no, not fancy AI). Is this an issue? Not at the moment Lavo...just drop me a line when you use them that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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