Centurius Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 We vote in favor. We'd like to add that all protectorates of CEU members in Europe should be turned into CEU protectorates.We vote in favor. (Note, we already executed the stipulations laid down in this proposal on our own.) We vote in favor. Welcome my friend . Said Protectorates are already under a CEU Protectorate by our charter. We also support the application of Eukzadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 "We vote yes to all three proposals." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Confederation Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Yes to Euzkadi, No to complete sanctions against the Italian Regime until their leader addressed the CEU council on his plans or moving forward and a if offered an ultimatum of reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 We vote against the sanctioning of Italy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Drakoria would like to become a member of the CEU, if the current members consider the Caucasus to be in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Following again more crimes against humanity by the fascist regime in Italy Greater Croatia would like to propose a CEU-wide sanction on all diplomacy and trade with them until the Government changes to a more European one. If needed the Croatian Navy is willing to execute a full naval blockade. Vote: No. The Republic of Euzkadi would like to formally ask for partial membership within the CEU. Vote: Yes. Drakoria would like to become a member of the CEU, if the current members consider the Caucasus to be in Europe. Vote: Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 "After looking over a few things (OOC: Reading some posts again at an appropriate hour), we vote no to a CEU sanction on Italy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 The Republic of Finland moves that sanctions be placed against Greater Croatia. "This nation has threatened to ignore the sovereignty of fellow CEU nations for their own petty conflict, saying they will board Finnish cargo vessels outside of Croatian waters. They are disrupting our rights to free trade with other nations, and showing that they have no respect for the CEU except as a sheild for their personal goals and potential aggressive wars." -Prime Minister Vilho Gustafsson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 The Republic of Finland moves that sanctions be placed against Greater Croatia."This nation has threatened to ignore the sovereignty of fellow CEU nations for their own petty conflict, saying they will board Finnish cargo vessels outside of Croatian waters. They are disrupting our rights to free trade with other nations, and showing that they have no respect for the CEU except as a sheild for their personal goals and potential aggressive wars." -Prime Minister Vilho Gustafsson. "Bavaria finds it imperative that every nation's right for free trade is preserved, unless there is war between two nations who will then obviously no longer trade with each other. This statement holds truth." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) OOC: Hey guys. I was just wondering if you guys would let me reroll in Romania. I just got back, and jumpstarting NPR seems to be quite difficult and the geopolitical situation in Asia is abhorious. EDIT: IC: Greetings to the esteemed leaders of the Central European Union. I am Ion Illiescu, and I have stood by and been silent too long. Romania is a soveriegn nation home to a cultured people, with its own customs and language. However, this has been neglected too long as Romania passes from the hands of one imposing superpower to another. This oppression must end! We plead for the recognition of Romania's self determination! With the Central European Union's help and guidance, I wish to usher in a new era in Romania, where peaceful and democratic means are promoted. We wish to build power in Romania, and contribute to help keeping the peace in Europe. Let us rise, fellow leaders, let Romania prosper! Edited July 30, 2009 by comrade nikonov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 While free trade is important so are human rights, when this coalition was founded we signed it to never allow fascism or nordic socialism to rule in Europe again, this Italian regime has shown all things Nordland has done and even worse. They were spared from the initial invasion and so far no Military action has been taken. The Borghese regime tells the majority supports them, while the fun fact is those who have requested asylum after the fall of Nordland have nothing but bad words for the Borghese regime saying that they would rather have an Anarchy than no say. How can a person that orders simple protesters be shot be considered humane and protecting their people? No a true government of the people is one where even minorities get a say. I repeat this pact was signed for a new Europe not to allow the old ways to destroy our reputation. Regarding requests for membership we vote aye to all, for the Romania issue we would like to know more about government plans, economic policies, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 OOC: Hey guys. I was just wondering if you guys would let me reroll in Romania. I just got back, and jumpstarting NPR seems to be quite difficult and the geopolitical situation in Asia is abhorious.EDIT: IC: Greetings to the esteemed leaders of the Central European Union. I am Ion Illiescu, and I have stood by and been silent too long. Romania is a soveriegn nation home to a cultured people, with its own customs and language. However, this has been neglected too long as Romania passes from the hands of one imposing superpower to another. This oppression must end! We plead for the recognition of Romania's self determination! With the Central European Union's help and guidance, I wish to usher in a new era in Romania, where peaceful and democratic means are promoted. We wish to build power in Romania, and contribute to help keeping the peace in Europe. Let us rise, fellow leaders, let Romania prosper! "Bavaria would not be against this. Romania is a country with a rich history, and we would be happy to see a proper country rise from the region." While free trade is important so are human rights, when this coalition was founded we signed it to never allow fascism or nordic socialism to rule in Europe again, this Italian regime has shown all things Nordland has done and even worse. They were spared from the initial invasion and so far no Military action has been taken. The Borghese regime tells the majority supports them, while the fun fact is those who have requested asylum after the fall of Nordland have nothing but bad words for the Borghese regime saying that they would rather have an Anarchy than no say. How can a person that orders simple protesters be shot be considered humane and protecting their people? No a true government of the people is one where even minorities get a say. I repeat this pact was signed for a new Europe not to allow the old ways to destroy our reputation. Regarding requests for membership we vote aye to all, for the Romania issue we would like to know more about government plans, economic policies, etc. "Bavaria solely joined the CEU to fight against Nordlandism and to defend Europe from outside threats. Not more, not less. Additionally, we have observers and reporters in Italy - unlike you. From the information that hundreds and thousands of people are giving us, they are in fact very happy with the government. As you can see, the people of the Republic are happy with Borghese and his government, if a bit nationalist. Thus, Bavaria wholeheartedly is against any blockade of the Republic. In fact, we would ask Croatia to lift it as soon as possible. They also happen to have their independence guaranteed by us from today onward. Which means, an attack on them Bavaria a valid casus belli to intervene." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 "Bavaria solely joined the CEU to fight against Nordlandism and to defend Europe from outside threats. Not more, not less. Additionally, we have observers and reporters in Italy - unlike you. From the information that hundreds and thousands of people are giving us, they are in fact very happy with the government. As you can see, the people of the Republic are happy with Borghese and his government, if a bit nationalist. Thus, Bavaria wholeheartedly is against any blockade of the Republic. In fact, we would ask Croatia to lift it as soon as possible. They also happen to have their independence guaranteed by us from today onward. Which means, an attack on them Bavaria a valid casus belli to intervene." And an attack on South Italy is an attack on Croatia. While you might have asked the free citizens those who would talk against the regime have been taken out, as we said the mass of immigrants from North Italy have shown us that they do not support the government. And the opinion of the people doesn't say too much, during Nordland it's citizens supported the Kaiser and this has happened with several dictatorships in the past. The people resisted once they wouldn't face bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) And an attack on South Italy is an attack on Croatia. While you might have asked the free citizens those who would talk against the regime have been taken out, as we said the mass of immigrants from North Italy have shown us that they do not support the government. And the opinion of the people doesn't say too much, during Nordland it's citizens supported the Kaiser and this has happened with several dictatorships in the past. The people resisted once they wouldn't face bullets. "Why are you blabbering about an attack on Southern Italy? There was no such attack. Regarding the citizens: Those that didn't like the regime left. Those that like it staid. Also, all surveys were kept anonymous, so that the Republican Government would be unable to find out who said what. They were explained that and thus were free to say whatever they wanted. As seen, they are content with their current government." "Regardless of that: Croatia has threatened to destroy unarmed civilian vessels and planes that transport supplies, food, medical equipment and various other things as hostile combatants. We vote for sanctions against Croatia for threatening to kill non-combatants and trying to prevent medical supplies and food from reaching our citizens in Koper." Edited July 30, 2009 by Lynneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 "Why are you blabbering about an attack on Southern Italy? There was no such attack. Regarding the citizens: Those that didn't like the regime left. Those that like it staid. Also, all surveys were kept anonymous, so that the Republican Government would be unable to find out who said what. They were explained that and thus were free to say whatever they wanted. As seen, they are content with their current government." "Regardless of that: Croatia has threatened to destroy unarmed civilian vessels and planes that transport supplies, food, medical equipment and various other things as hostile combatants. We vote for sanctions against Croatia for threatening to kill non-combatants and trying to prevent medical supplies and food from reaching our citizens in Koper." There is no need for Bavarian supplies to go through as Croatian stores passed the borders are still supplying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Croatia has now threatened 2 fellow CEU nations, we call for a vote for their dismissal from the Central European Union. "This nation cares nothing for the CEU, only their personal goals of bullying small nations with few allies. They are attempting to starve Bavarian civilians, have threatened Finnish civilian shipping, and I belive that these actions are completely unacceptable for a treaty member." -PM Gustafsson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Croatia has now threatened 2 fellow CEU nations, we call for a vote for their dismissal from the Central European Union."This nation cares nothing for the CEU, only their personal goals of bullying small nations with few allies. They are attempting to starve Bavarian civilians, have threatened Finnish civilian shipping, and I belive that these actions are completely unacceptable for a treaty member." -PM Gustafsson. We have not threatened Bavaria we have just stated our policy banning Bavarian craft from Croatian territory. The custom laws regarding the city have no changed meaning factories are still allowed to supply the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 We have not threatened Bavaria we have just stated our policy banning Bavarian craft from Croatian territory. The custom laws regarding the city have no changed meaning factories are still allowed to supply the city. You have threatened to sink Bavarian ships attempting to reach the city, which is BAVARIAN territory. That is a threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 You have threatened to sink Bavarian ships attempting to reach the city, which is BAVARIAN territory.That is a threat. Those ships would need to enter CROATIAN territory to get there, if they find a way to approach the city without violating our sovereignty they wont be stopped. That is not a threat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Those ships would need to enter CROATIAN territory to get there, if they find a way to approach the city without violating our sovereignty they wont be stopped.That is not a threat "Not if our ships go through the corridor which would connect Koper with International Waters, as mentioned here" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 "Not if our ships go through the corridor which would connect Koper with International Waters, as mentioned here" Our statement is only related to our waters not the shared ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) "Not if our ships go through the corridor which would connect Koper with International Waters, as mentioned here" OOC: Just to point this out... Members of the Central European Union will recognize the right of national sovereignty of other members and will not violate this, violations include but are not limited to Espionage, Military Operations or supporting any of the above. Violating this Article will be punished each time individually fitting the situation. Punishments can include but are not limited to expulsion or even Military action against the violator. Section II:Members of the Central European Union will ensure their borders are open to other nations in name of European Unity. In addition a complete Free Trade between Members is promoted. It would be a violation of the CEU charter to block lynneth access to the city by, air, ground, or water as it ensures total and complete open boarders, and blocking access would be considered a violation of sovereignty. Edited July 30, 2009 by iamthey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) Our statement is only related to our waters not the shared ones. "Then that issue is done. You can't stop us from supplying Koper unless you open fire on our ships. Additionally: Article II, Section II. You breached that by denying our ships and planes access to your territory." OOC: Lolthanks, iamthey. Edited July 30, 2009 by Lynneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 OOC: Just to point this out...It would be a violation of the CEU charter to block lynneth access to the city by, air, ground, or water as it ensures total and complete open boarders, and blocking access would be considered a violation of sovereignty. OOC: Articles 1 and 2 are conflicting in this case I consider his ships and planes terrorist craft which would allow me to protect my sovereignty by Article 1. Including but not limited to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) OOC: Well while we are getting all e-lawyer, the charter presumes a state of non-aggression between the two of you meaning ships originating from bavaria couldn't be classified as "terrorist" crafts. Of course if one of the ships did attack your nation or do harm to your citizens you could view it as a military act against you. However until that happens the ships should be able to move through under article II. Otherwise what is the point of even putting an article about free trade and open boarders if you can just label foreign trade and movement as terrorist acts and be isolationist. Clearly that wasn't the intent when it was written. Of course if you want to continue down that path lynneth could just put the supplies on military craft and send them in considering direct agents of a nation's military probably wouldn't fall under "terrorist activity". *shrugs* Edited July 30, 2009 by iamthey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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