Roadie Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 The OP is attempting to fix a shortcoming that, so far as I can tell, all alliance have with regards to their nations growth. It's the first time I've seen someone make an attempt at fixing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 The OP is attempting to fix a shortcoming that, so far as I can tell, all alliance have with regards to their nations growth. It's the first time I've seen someone make an attempt at fixing it. And I'm posting it publicly! Aren't I awesome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 And I'm posting it publicly!Aren't I awesome? That or foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 The OP is attempting to fix a shortcoming that, so far as I can tell, all alliance have with regards to their nations growth. It's the first time I've seen someone make an attempt at fixing it. For him it's not about "fixing" so much as making a name for himself. His first attempt at institutionalizing this comedy didn't go over so well when he tried to compel compliance when he had no actual capacity to do so. And this is an alliance here, that has legal channels for coup'ing folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Upper class (situational based - needs WRC) with a DRA would do two 3/50s (four slots) aid one nation and receive 50 tech from a tech bankerUpper class (situation based - needs WRC) without a DRA would do one 3/50 (one slot), aid two nations and receive 100 tech from tech bankers Wow under your system I'd -never- get a DRA. Seriously. Send out more money for the same amount of tech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpol777 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Wow under your system I'd -never- get a DRA. Seriously. Send out more money for the same amount of tech? You should not be getting a DRA before a WRC anyway, which is why the situational based aiding is set up like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Bourgeoisie would expect to receive 3 million per 200 technology. They would not send money to anyone. That is horrible for growth. Especially when 3mil/150 tech is considered cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 That is horrible for growth. Especially when 3mil/150 tech is considered cheap. For Bourgeoisie nations (I am one of those) the profit from a 3/100 tech deal would roughly be the cost of one day of bills with 5 Labor Camps. That is not optimal use of alliance resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned-You Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Upper class (situational based - needs WRC) with a DRA would do two 3/50s (four slots) aid one nation and receive 50 tech from a tech bankerUpper class (situation based - needs WRC) without a DRA would do one 3/50 (one slot), aid two nations and receive 100 tech from tech bankers Upper class (merit based - already has WRC) with a DRA would do one 3/50 (two slots) aid two nations and receive 100 tech from tech bankers Upper class (merit based - already has WRC) without a DRA would do one 3/50 (two slots) aid two nations and receive 50 tech from a tech banker So based on each of those specific classifications, what would be the monthly intake of tech and outflow of cash. (Month = 4 Cycles/5 - 6 Slots Pending On DRA) I just want to know the theoretical monthly figure if it's done correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) For Bourgeoisie nations (I am one of those) the profit from a 3/100 tech deal would roughly be the cost of one day of bills with 5 Labor Camps. That is not optimal use of alliance resources. I buy tech, and I am within your range. My collection pays for 2 days worth of bills. How would Sileathonomics benefit me more, when what I have been doing has been working just fine? Edited May 28, 2009 by Voodoo Nova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) So based on each of those specific classifications, what would be the monthly intake of tech and outflow of cash. (Month = 4 Cycles/5 - 6 Slots Pending On DRA)I just want to know the theoretical monthly figure if it's done correctly. Upper class (situational based - needs WRC) with a DRA would do two 3/50s (four slots) aid one nation and receive 50 tech from a tech banker 150 tech in, $9 million out -> 600 tech in, $36 million out Upper class (situation based - needs WRC) without a DRA would do one 3/50 (one slot), aid two nations and receive 100 tech from tech bankers 100 tech in, $9 million out x 2, 150 tech in, $6 million out x 2 -> 500 tech in, $30 million out Upper class (merit based - already has WRC) with a DRA would do one 3/50 (two slots) aid two nations and receive 100 tech from tech bankers 150 tech in, $9 million out -> 600 tech in, $36 million out Upper class (merit based - already has WRC) without a DRA would do one 3/50 (two slots) aid two nations and receive 50 tech from a tech banker 100 tech in, $9 million out -> 400 tech in, $36 million out Edited May 28, 2009 by Sileath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I buy tech, and I am within your range. My collection pays for 2 days worth of bills. How would Sileathonomics benefit me more, when what I have been doing has been working just fine? Purchasing tech at your level stunts your growth. You only need 870 tech (assume 900) for WRC, which can be accomplished through 18 3/50 deals, which would take 9 cycles (2 months) if you did two per cycle. This assumes that noone will tech bank for you. You still need the Pentagon to be eligible for WRC, and that's not including having 8,500 infrastructure, for which you might want to have Interstate System. You will also likely want to get Manhattan Project first as well. Your best option, due to the technology you already have, is to sled as much as possible, take temporary economic trades when you collect, and kick down 3 mil for a social mobility aid program when possible so the nations who go through it will be most likely to want to tech bank for you when they ascend to bourgeoisie. Use the profits from the sled to purchase additional wonders and infrastructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willirica Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 THREECONOMICS > SILEATHONOMICS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Frontier Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Ever since you private messaged this to me I've been considering it, and it just doesn't seem like a viable economic system to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Your post isn't very clear and I'm not really sure I understand it. It sounds like some kind of scheme which includes nations tech for longer in exchange for getting tech back later. That's something I've been doing with good results in MK for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 You should not be getting a DRA before a WRC anyway, which is why the situational based aiding is set up like that. Okay, this is where this whole line of conversation ends. Your argument is now "you should not be getting something which helps your tech grow faster before getting a massively tech-dependent wonder." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) Okay, this is where this whole line of conversation ends.Your argument is now "you should not be getting something which helps your tech grow faster before getting a massively tech-dependent wonder." Not to mention that tech isn't useful just for getting a WRC. A WRC is useful because it massively increases the usefulness of tech. 6K tech + WRC > 6K tech + no WRC > 2K tech + WRC Getting tech for a WRC is putting the cart before the horse. Edited May 28, 2009 by Azaghul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Okay, this is where this whole line of conversation ends.Your argument is now "you should not be getting something which helps your tech grow faster before getting a massively tech-dependent wonder." CN is not a peaceful world. If I wanted people to get the WRC as quickly as possible, I would have them forgo obtaining a MP first, but militarily that is not realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Not to mention that tech isn't useful just for getting a WRC. A WRC is useful because it massively increases the usefulness of tech.6K tech + WRC > 6K tech + no WRC > 2K tech + WRC Getting tech for a WRC is putting the cart before the horse. This is why tech bankers exist. It's more important for a nation with 5k tech to get up to 6k tech than it is for a nation with 500 tech to get up to 1500 tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Not to mention that tech isn't useful just for getting a WRC. A WRC is useful because it massively increases the usefulness of tech.6K tech + WRC > 6K tech + no WRC > 2K tech + WRC Getting tech for a WRC is putting the cart before the horse. Actually, it takes so long to get all that tech that it would be advantageous to start it's accumulation ahead of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 This is why tech bankers exist. It's more important for a nation with 5k tech to get up to 6k tech than it is for a nation with 500 tech to get up to 1500 tech. And I presume this is the purpose of the system. To target tech growth where it is more advantageous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Actually, it takes so long to get all that tech that it would be advantageous to start it's accumulation ahead of time. Upper class (situation based - needs WRC) without a DRA would do one 3/50 (one slot), aid two nations and receive 100 tech from tech bankers That's 125 tech per cycle. Times four, that's 600 tech per cycle, so 3.5 months to get the tech for WRC. Since a nation becomes upper class after their third econ wonder.. SM -> SSS -> NRL -> MP -> GT -> SDI -> IS -> WRC I threw in SDI because it's a good wonder to have. Regardless, they have plenty of time to get the tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 SM -> SSS -> NRL -> MP -> GT -> SDI -> IS -> WRC Where's the pentagon? And do you really think that a nation will get to 8,500 infra within 8 months of their first wonder purchase after spending 100m on an MP and 75m on an SDI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 And do you really think that a nation will get to 8,500 infra within 8 months of their first wonder purchase after spending 100m on an MP and 75m on an SDI? Maybe if they follow GGA WRC nation warchest guidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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