Leonid Tolstoy Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 I don't care about the small fry. They are having their arses handed to them in battle. It's the BIG FISH that I want to see cooked. Those big nations with more than 70k NS hiding in peace mode, huddled in fear of KARMA, wondering how they can manipulate the meat shields to their advantage. There are a few brash individuals in the middle echelons who deserve to pay some serious reps, but I'd be willing to let them slip away, if those top dogs can be brought to bay. Some of the real warriors in NPO actually deserve a nod of respect for valor in action. They ain't real bright, but they are pretty brave. The very LAST thing I want, is for the head honchos to walk away with their war chests intact. I want some of that extorted money, and tech distributed to the winners. Those war chests have been the real source of NPO's power. Let's be socialistic here, for a little bit. Redistribute that wealth where it will do some good. Redistribute it to some of the people that NPO has !@#$%*^ over the last few years. NPO's motto has always seemed to be, "To the victor goes the spoils". Time to apply that one more time. At the least, all warchests emptied, and verified by sending spies in. Wonders and military improvements destroyed. Militaries drawn down to near minimum, just as they have stipulated for countless victims in the past. This applies to all government, and to all the banking nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonid Tolstoy Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Those who call for such punishment are no better than those they are punishing, for no innocent party exists in this conflict. Have you actually looked up what the word "Karma" means? There is nothing of mercy in the term. No inference of forgiveness. The nearest thing in the English language is probably "justice". Oftentimes, mercy and justice are mutually exclusive. Personally, I'm willing to be merciful to a lot of people - even the lower echelons of NPO. I want my pound of flesh from those ranking people who are hiding in peace mode, trembling at the sound of Karma's boots approaching their hidey holes. They OWE IT TO US. Click the link in my sig. Read Moo's words back at him. Help him to understand what Karma really is. Sometimes, he gets to be the cow. This time, he's the cow patty, and he gets to hit the trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Id like to see white peace for everyone besides NPO. We need to get rid of the paradigm to demand reps from people who just honored treaties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbysmalPea Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 (edited) Have you actually looked up what the word "Karma" means? There is nothing of mercy in the term. No inference of forgiveness. The nearest thing in the English language is probably "justice". Oftentimes, mercy and justice are mutually exclusive.Personally, I'm willing to be merciful to a lot of people - even the lower echelons of NPO. I want my pound of flesh from those ranking people who are hiding in peace mode, trembling at the sound of Karma's boots approaching their hidey holes. They OWE IT TO US. Click the link in my sig. Read Moo's words back at him. Help him to understand what Karma really is. Sometimes, he gets to be the cow. This time, he's the cow patty, and he gets to hit the trail. The nearest thing in the English language that describes what you want is probably "vengeance." Oftentimes, justice and vengeance are mutually exclusive. I am quite aware of the history of the word "karma," and I know that karma is a natural process, an impartial concept; claiming to be a vanguard for this process is pretentious at best. What you and others fail to realize is that you are acting just like the monsters you so viciously condemn. What you and others fail to realize is that, while the leaders of NPO and friends may be reaping what they have sown, the seeds you will sow if you travel this path are not much different from theirs. But do not let me hinder your desires for revenge, Shylock. Edited May 5, 2009 by AbysmalPea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscher Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Id like to see white peace for everyone besides NPO. We need to get rid of the paradigm to demand reps from people who just honored treaties. I read your comments in the Cowards thread of Margrave, what terms would you like to see for the NPO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrophis Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 I'm all for white peace. Once they have been forced to destroy all military improvements, tanks, AF, nukes, CMs and soldiers reduced down to 20%, then kept at war for the same length of time we have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requia Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 I'd also point out forcing NPO to clear the ZI (and any PZI/EZI) list is an important thing if you want victory without smashing the grunts to pieces, else NPO will keep the front lines in line with threats of ZI to any nation that moves to Karma POW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 I read your comments in the Cowards thread of Margrave, what terms would you like to see for the NPO? Suspension of all foreign treaties and an amount of reps for MK, OV and FAN still to be determined in relation to the damage they took and how many nations stayed in peace mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 (edited) White Peace. Bad Reputation, Dishonorable Members, and Bad Reparations can come back to haunt you. Edited May 5, 2009 by Rotavele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Reps equalling however much Damage NPO and Q, 1V has inflicted since the start of planet Bob untill now, plus no less then 100 mil to any nation placed on EZI or PZI to their current ruler 25 Mil to anyone ever been sentenced to ZI. Would never be paid, ever. Not even good joke terms, really. also Sponge had a great idea for \m/, eternal tech farming, NPO's tech must be at least as good as theirs. It was such a good idea it made Sponge an eternal enemy of everyone at \m/ and lead at least in part of GW V. Good plan. Maybe you are half kidding here, I hope so. My hope continues to be that this is a true paradigm shift in the game and that in the future the excesses in terms we have seen in the past, including virtual IP banning by players of other players, crushing reps, viceroys, forced relocations, etc. will not happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systemfailure Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Would never be paid, ever. Not even good joke terms, really.It was such a good idea it made Sponge an eternal enemy of everyone at \m/ and lead at least in part of GW V. Good plan. Maybe you are half kidding here, I hope so. My hope continues to be that this is a true paradigm shift in the game and that in the future the excesses in terms we have seen in the past, including virtual IP banning by players of other players, crushing reps, viceroys, forced relocations, etc. will not happen again. yeah i was kidding...but the point of the first part is that they took alot away from people (time, alliances, friends..etc) how do you make it right again? any number concering reps wouldnt be nearly larger enough imho also im sure you had a sense of humor when you left RoK..where did Valhalla put it??? >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 yeah i was kidding...but the point of the first part is that they took alot away from people (time, alliances, friends..etc) how do you make it right again? any number concering reps wouldnt be nearly larger enough imho It can't be made right again, at least in the sense that everyone who was ever wronged by NPO and its allies would be made whole. Remember too you have situations alliances fought on behalf of NPO and later in opposition to it. How should they be treated? As having "seen the light"? But is that really fair to those of whom were damaged them? also im sure you had a sense of humor when you left RoK..where did Valhalla put it??? >_> Oh I still have it...it has to hide in a fallout shelter periodically...I've take 10 nukes since the war began. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrum Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 I'm all for white peace. Once they have been forced to destroy all military improvements, tanks, AF, nukes, CMs and soldiers reduced down to 20%, then kept at war for the same length of time we have been. Based on the poll results as of now 56.29% of the people seem to agree with you. Should be interesting if the minority opinion (based on the poll) of light terms were to prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 It was such a good idea it made Sponge an eternal enemy of everyone at \m/ and lead at least in part of GW V.Not even close. Those few people still hating on me for their own leaders giving up instead of carrying on the fight are placing their anger in the wrong spot. The people at the top of \m/ are entirely to blame for the alliance disbanding. I'm not the one who did that to you and I didn't force it upon you. It's not like I haven't walked the walk in this regard either. When my alliance got offered terrible terms (including a demand for disbandment) I told them where to stick it and we kept fighting. \m/'s leaders were scrambling over the top of each other to get out of their wars like the true cowards and bullies they are, and they left the membership of the alliance high and dry in the process. I don't know just what they were expecting me to offer them after two months of harassment on their part toward me personally and toward my staff. Were you people expecting that I'd call it good after 10 days of a war your side started that if the tables were turned my entire alliance would be destroyed? Let's not kid ourselves about what \m/ was or what the Unjust Path was. A lot of you are looking back with rose colored glasses like the Unjust Path was some sort of rainbows and lollipops organization of civil liberties advocates. It wasn't. They were the epitome of the might-makes-right, super aggressive, kill anyone who doesn't agree with us approach that made the Initiative so unpopular previously, and has made the Continuum/One Vision hegemony unpopular in its wake. These were birds of the same feather. People think it's somewhat ironic that I've been involved with Vox Populi - well, had a group like Vox Populi existed back then they would have been enemies with the Unjust Path. No such group was necessary because there were people in some of the other major alliances who had enough backbone to fight them.You all in \m/ didn't earn a decent peace because you didn't fight for it. You gave up at the first sign of adversity. Tell me again why this is my fault. Ask your friends in Mushroom Kingdom about the peace treaty they got at the end of the war. Or The Phoenix Federation. They both got a pretty sweet deal. I will say that year and a half old tears are still delicious ones though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykep Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 White Peace.Bad Reputation, Dishonorable Members, and Bad Reparations can come back to haunt you. No @#$% exactly why they need to dealt with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Ask your friends in Mushroom Kingdom about the peace treaty they got at the end of the war. Or The Phoenix Federation. They both got a pretty sweet deal. I will say that year and a half old tears are still delicious ones though. Sponge, for the love of admin, now I'm going to get more questions about ujp et all when I have no idea wth happened. Folks need to let that go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxian Empire Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Suspension of all foreign treaties and an amount of reps for MK, OV and FAN still to be determined in relation to the damage they took and how many nations stayed in peace mode. This seems fairly reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Taco Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 (edited) Here I speak for myself only, but I think the reasonable peace terms for NPO include: 1) Reps to OV. These will be minor in the scheme of things. 2) Revocation of the Moldovi and Revenge doctrines. NPO needs to be brought down to Bob a little, and taking away their special sphere will do a lot to bring them into line with the rest of us mortal alliances. 3) Peace terms for FAN. Punishing reps, even if they are seen by alliances like FAN or MK as completely justified, are counterproductive. Karma should be about moving forward. P.S. All other aliances on the Hegemony side ought to be given a white peace. Edited May 5, 2009 by Doc Taco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall Jaxon Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 3) Peace terms for FAN. I'm assuming you meant white peace, right? Surely you don't think FAN would go under terms again. Also, here's my suggested terms for peace for NPO 1) Incredible amounts of reps paid to all Karma alliances 2) Not allowed a Senator on the Red Sphere 3) Naturally, all "Eternal Wars" end with a white peace. 4) "Just enough soldiers to keep their citizens happy" 5) No other military Also, peace should come after NPO lasts for two years in constant war. A few months of tech farming and terms are optional if NPO wants a short break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Walz Pants Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Here I speak for myself only, but I think the reasonable peace terms for NPO include:1) Reps to OV. These will be minor in the scheme of things. This will be interesting considering all the good press OV received during their prior war for not requesting reps from STA and others. Or did white peace go out the door with quality members like Chief4Real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncruzore85 Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 If you guys are talking reps for alliances that were at war with Q/1V, I hope you refer specifically to the alliances that were part of the blocs at that time that contributed. Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderago Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 remember no E-ZI or perma-ZI eternal war, we were here to make a change lets NOT make ourselves look like hypocrites I say: open red sphere, except that NPO is no longer the only sovereign red alliance give white peace to all on going wars (this includes FAN and Vox) no reps are necessary Moo and Electron sponge must confess there heart felt love for each other same as above only with fan and atrophis there short simple and sweet, no reps, decommissions removal of government postion etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzelger Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 This will be interesting considering all the good press OV received during their prior war for not requesting reps from STA and others. Or did white peace go out the door with quality members like Chief4Real? In this instance they're the defending party of an aggressive war though, which is the only (normal) instance in which reparations are reasonable, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systemfailure Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 <snip> i agree that the war ended in the most BS way ever, i still dont know what happened but the Terms were even greater BS which is why i think they'd be perfect for Hedgemony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bowie Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 I am sure it will be the victors that choose in the end. Let us hope they show a measure of mercy and a kinship between warriors when all is said in done... but by no means should such a thing be expected... JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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