JEDCJT Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) We vote yes on the Soviet Socialist Federation of Eritrea. Edited May 21, 2009 by JEDCJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykep Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Archon Mykep would like to attend the conference in order to see if the ComIntern would accept a possible amendment to ease international tension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Archon Mykep would like to attend the conference in order to see if the ComIntern would accept a possible amendment to ease international tension. While we will not allow Archon Mykep to personally attend the discussions, he may instead send a representative and a video-phone. Furthermore, we would like to know what kind of amendment you have in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykep Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) I'll send it to you directly. A.) Members of ComIntern hereby agree to conduct themselves with civility, maturity and diplomacy in all communications. We, the ComIntern, will act reasonably with all international responses, as well as treat all nations with respect in order to establish a level of maturity within our ranks. ----------------------------------- B.) We, the ComIntern will use our Optional Aggression clause with limits in order to create a better and peaceful world, stating that the attacker must have a legit CB for the war to be just. The qualities of a just CB are outlined here: "legitimate defense by military force"- The reason for going to war needs to be just and cannot therefore be solely for recapturing things taken or punishing people who have done wrong - While there may be rights and wrongs on all sides of a conflict, to override the presumption against the use of force, the injustice suffered by one party must significantly outweigh that suffered by the other - Force may be used only in a truly just cause and solely for that purpose—correcting a suffered wrong is considered a right intention, while material gain or maintaining economies is not. - Force may be used only after all peaceful and viable alternatives have been seriously tried and exhausted or are clearly not practical. It may be clear that the other side is using negotiations as a delaying tactic and will not make meaningful concessions. - The anticipated benefits of waging a war must be proportionate to its expected evils or harms. This principle is also known as the principle of macro-proportionality, so as to distinguish it from the jus in bello principle of proportionality. - The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target. - The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought. Edited May 21, 2009 by mykep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) The Imperial Manchukuo People's Republic would like to bring to attention to Comintern a striking ethnic catastrophe. As we all may know, Imperial Manchukuo was founded on the basis of being a homeland for Northeastern Chinese. This definition involves peoples of many diverse ethnic groups, including the Han, Manchu, Nanai Jurchen, Oroqen and Xibe. Right now, current census data reveals a population of these ethnic groups as big as 1/3 the population of Imperial Manchukuo residing in the neighbors areas of the Comintern protectorate. The historical ties between these regions are striking as well. In the early Qing dynasty, soon after the Manchu Jurchen destroyed the Ming empire and claimed the mandate of heaven for itself, a wall of trees, the Willow Pallisades, were erected as a 'cultural' border between the Manchu homeland and the rest of China. This wall passes through Hebei and Southern Beijing, which were parts of Manchuria. Thus, we are extremely adamant in our request for a vote to be put out as to whether or not it will be acceptable for the reunification of Greater Manchuria. EDIT: Forgot the map. Dark Red is current Imperial Manchukuo Gradient is the concentration of Manchu Ethnic groups sans Han living in those areas Pink are areas of Imperial Manchukuo interest. (Possible Voting) Edited May 21, 2009 by comrade nikonov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Soviet Socialist Federation of Eritrea Yes - 6 vote(s) No - 0 vote(s) Undecided - 0 vote(s) To vote: Osea, Yuktobania, Cainette, Vaule, Annihilation I'll send it to you directly. A.) Members of ComIntern hereby agree to conduct themselves with civility, maturity and diplomacy in all communications. We, the ComIntern, will act reasonably with all international responses, as well as treat all nations with respect in order to establish a level of maturity within our ranks. ----------------------------------- B.) We, the ComIntern will use our Optional Aggression clause with limits in order to create a better and peaceful world, stating that the attacker must have a legit CB for the war to be just. The qualities of a just CB are outlined here: "legitimate defense by military force" - The reason for going to war needs to be just and cannot therefore be solely for recapturing things taken or punishing people who have done wrong - While there may be rights and wrongs on all sides of a conflict, to override the presumption against the use of force, the injustice suffered by one party must significantly outweigh that suffered by the other - Force may be used only in a truly just cause and solely for that purpose—correcting a suffered wrong is considered a right intention, while material gain or maintaining economies is not. - Force may be used only after all peaceful and viable alternatives have been seriously tried and exhausted or are clearly not practical. It may be clear that the other side is using negotiations as a delaying tactic and will not make meaningful concessions. - The anticipated benefits of waging a war must be proportionate to its expected evils or harms. This principle is also known as the principle of macro-proportionality, so as to distinguish it from the jus in bello principle of proportionality. - The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target. - The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought. Canada would support these amendments to the treaty. We shall vote on it. Approve these amendments Yes - 1 vote(s) No - 0 vote(s) Undecided - 0 vote(s) To vote: Osea, Yuktobania, Cainette, Alvonia, New England, Vaule, Dragonisia, Annihilation, Atlantis, Manchukuo The Imperial Manchukuo People's Republic would like to bring to attention to Comintern a striking ethnic catastrophe. As we all may know, Imperial Manchukuo was founded on the basis of being a homeland for Northeastern Chinese. This definition involves peoples of many diverse ethnic groups, including the Han, Manchu, Nanai Jurchen, Oroqen and Xibe. Right now, current census data reveals a population of these ethnic groups as big as 1/3 the population of Imperial Manchukuo residing in the neighbors areas of the Comintern protectorate. The historical ties between these regions are striking as well. In the early Qing dynasty, soon after the Manchu Jurchen destroyed the Ming empire and claimed the mandate of heaven for itself, a wall of trees, the Willow Pallisades, were erected as a 'cultural' border between the Manchu homeland and the rest of China. This wall passes through Hebei and Southern Beijing, which were parts of Manchuria. Thus, we are extremely adamant in our request for a vote to be put out as to whether or not it will be acceptable for the reunification of Greater Manchuria. EDIT: Forgot the map. [map] Dark Red is current Imperial Manchukuo Gradient is the concentration of Manchu Ethnic groups sans Han living in those areas Pink are areas of Imperial Manchukuo interest. (Possible Voting) A vote shall be done on this. As Manchukuo is affected directly, they will not be able to vote for once. Hand the marked region over to Manchukuo Yes - 1 vote(s) No - 0 vote(s) Undecided - 0 vote(s) To vote: Osea, Yuktobania, Cainette, Alvonia, New England, Vaule, Dragonisia, Annihilation, Atlantis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Palmieri Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yes Yes and Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Manchukuo votes yes on the treaty amendment. Just war theory has always been a central part of our military philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 New England votes Yes on both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 We vote yes to both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz 2K9 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Eritrea: Yes. Manchuko: Yes, though I ask as to how that will be done. Amendments: Yes, I am a major proponent to peace and equal coexistence. (Just like I believe in peace through superior firepower.) Edited May 22, 2009 by Razgriz 2K9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Yuktobania, it would be simple. Beijing, Hebei, and Tianjin will simply be absorbed into Manchukuo. A quiet change of police authority, the raising of a new flag. New borders will be drawn across provincial lines, but they will continue to be free and open. Schools in those areas will receive new funding, and the reconstruction of Beijing will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Dragonisia requests an emergency vote on a Comintern declaration of war on the Helzan in the antartic. They have violated our national waters and attacked Andonia.. our ally. We therefore activate our mutual defense pact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Dragonisia requests an emergency vote on a Comintern declaration of war on the Helzan in the antartic. They have violated our national waters and attacked Andonia.. our ally. We therefore activate our mutual defense pact. OOC: MV, it's been resolved already...no need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz 2K9 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I see, Manchuko. But another question that I may ask, does anyone already own the territories in question? OOC: And thanks for answering the first question, as I plan on expanding down the Kamchatka peninsula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 No. They are currently protectorates of Comintern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz 2K9 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Ok, I have no further question, I've voted to support your claim, and I wish your people the best as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Soviet Socialist Federation of Eritrea Yes - 8 vote(s) No - 0 vote(s) Undecided - 0 vote(s) To vote: Osea, Vaule, Annihilation Approve these amendments Yes - 6 vote(s) No - 0 vote(s) Undecided - 0 vote(s) To vote: Osea, Vaule, Dragonisia, Annihilation, Atlantis Hand the marked region over to Manchukuo Yes - 5 vote(s) No - 0 vote(s) Undecided - 0 vote(s) To vote: Osea, Vaule, Dragonisia, Annihilation, Atlantis Dragonisia requests an emergency vote on a Comintern declaration of war on the Helzan in the antartic. They have violated our national waters and attacked Andonia.. our ally. We therefore activate our mutual defense pact. As the conflict already seems to have come to an end, no vote will be done, unless there is a good cause. Edited May 22, 2009 by Lynneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) "The Helzan rejected terms, the conflict is not over. We again, ask for the Comintern to stand at our side to remove those from power that would wield power so unwisely." "Additionally, yes to all current on the table proposals." Edited May 22, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 "The Helzan rejected terms, the conflict is not over. We again, ask for the Comintern to stand at our side to remove those from power that would wield power so unwisely.""Additionally, yes to all current on the table proposals." Well then. Support Dragonisia against Helzan Yes - 1 vote(s) No - 0 vote(s) Undecided - 0 vote(s) To vote: Osea, Yuktobania, Cainette, Alvonia, New England, Vaule, Dragonisia, Annihilation, Atlantis, Manchukuo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Azenquor Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Soviet Socialist Federation of EritreaYes - 8 vote(s) No - 0 vote(s) Undecided - 0 vote(s) To vote: Osea, Vaule, Annihilation Vaule votes Yes Hand the marked region over to ManchukuoYes - 5 vote(s) No - 0 vote(s) Undecided - 0 vote(s) To vote: Osea, Vaule, Dragonisia, Annihilation, Atlantis Vaule abstains === Approve these amendmentsYes - 6 vote(s) No - 0 vote(s) Undecided - 0 vote(s) To vote: Osea, Vaule, Dragonisia, Annihilation, Atlantis “With the proposed amendments on the table, Vaule will raise an issue that we have commented on previously, namely the manner in which certain ComIntern nations address certain aspects of negotiations, debates and discussions with other nations. We feel that although the foreign affairs of all ComIntern member nations is the sovereign right of each nation, that it is important to note that statements from ComIntern nations regarding certain matters will undoubtedly reflect upon the other member nations. It is with this in mind that we implore all ComIntern members to conduct themselves in a respectful manner. Should the situation in the past recur, Vaule will not permit our nation’s international standing to be damaged by irresponsible comments from members of the organization. With the following stated, we voice our support for Section A of the treaty amendments Regarding Section B Vaule abstains. We are satisfied that the current Optional Aggression clause is effective. Specifically we find the wording of the following to require clarification: “- The reason for going to war needs to be just and cannot therefore be solely for recapturing things taken or punishing people who have done wrong” Whether or not a war is just is usually determined by its combatants and the International Community. Recapturing what was taken, in our view, may be a just cause under appropriate circumstances. Therefore we request that this clause be clarified further. Perhaps the ComIntern members could consider the removal of the Optional Aggression portion of the pact as a sign of commitment to stability. We state that it is the position of the VSR that any member of the ComIntern who enters into an aggressive war, regardless of the CB shall have no assistance from us whatsoever. Thirdly we would like to restate the fact that we hope that the ComIntern has not set a precedent with the Brisbane treaty, of attempting to enforce cultural diversity on a sovereign nation. This is something that we have repeatedly stated that we do not agree to, and find absolutely appalling. Our signature has not been placed on the treaty, and shall not be placed on said treaty as long as the diversity clause exists. That is all.”-Vaule Rep (tl;dr: Yes on Amendment section A, Abstain on Section B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz 2K9 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 "Although I'm considering the fact that we could go ahead to support Malestrom in case of war, can we just take the time to bring matters to the negotiation table." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) The Vote against Helzan can be suspended, but I would like a pre-certification vote of support in the event the situation reignites. We have imposed severe penalties on the Helzan for their action, but nowhere near as damning as the murder of the innocent citizens of Andonia. I am not sure how that General's going to sleep at night. Therefore, we ask for a vote of support in the on going tensions with Helzan with a guarantee of military backing should this flare into hot conflict. Technically Helzan still stands in a state of war with Melvin Republic.. just in case they prompt us to need to intervene again somewhere. Edited May 22, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkantos Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Yes to the last two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz 2K9 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 "In this case my friend, we will support you in case war comes to Dragonisia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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