Iotupa Posted April 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I added something into the OP at the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 It is rather ironic, too; those that employ these OOC tools are also usually the first to have their jowls flapping in righteous indignation over anything that could be construed as an 'OOC attack'. This can't be quoted enough as its the elephant in the room nobody will talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 NSO would take you, though I am not sure if that's what you're looking for. Due to several incidents where nations have provided incorrect information on their application and/or outright lied in order to gain aid from our Bank I have decided to readdress the issue of accepting ZI, PZI or EZI nations.Those that have already been accepted and been honest are welcome to stay and I wish them well in their efforts to get off the lists so that they can fully contribute to the alliance. But from this point forward, in the interests of the safety of the whole alliance, I am going to place a moratorium on the accepting of nations in ZI status of any kind. Any nation found to be lying on their application about this issue will be subject to being added to our own list. http://newsithorder.info/boards/index.php?topic=597.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 This can't be quoted enough as its the elephant in the room nobody will talk about. I talk about it, but most people don't. I fully agree with your assessment here. Those who protest the loudest against OOC attacks perform OOC attacks themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I talk about it, but most people don't.I fully agree with your assessment here. Those who protest the loudest against OOC attacks perform OOC attacks themselves. I was hasty with my words - NOT ENOUGH would have been closer to my meaning. And you clearly do deserve credit for voicing the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Reverie Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Again any specific examples?Its a myth, a rumor, a boogyman. The only know example of someone being tracked and attacked because of their IP address was when Starfox and Vox attacked Count De Silva. Untrue. I recall Duffman tried to return to the game almost a year ago. He used a completely different name and persona. He was found out via IP address and other OOC means and forced to quit again. Personally I hope he is still here playing in some form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Untrue. I recall Duffman tried to return to the game almost a year ago. He used a completely different name and persona. He was found out via IP address and other OOC means and forced to quit again. Personally I hope he is still here playing in some form.This is impossible good sir, that gtfggtooka guy repeated incessantly that the only time anyone has used OOC means to pursue a player was when Vox put two and two together and revealed that Junkalunka had rerolled as Count da Silva and was continuing on with axes he was grinding with his Junka character. Never mind all anecdotes and evidence to the contrary! He has repeated his assertions numerous times and therefore they are true!1 How dare you contradict the word of such a valiant Pacifican warrior? Everyone knows such people are the paragon of honest virtue.21Actual truth may vary. 2Actual virtue may vary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Untrue. I recall Duffman tried to return to the game almost a year ago. He used a completely different name and persona. He was found out via IP address and other OOC means and forced to quit again. Personally I hope he is still here playing in some form. Could "other OOC means" include mouthing off to people about who is used to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Reverie Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 You are the biggest bunch of moralistic hypocrites on planet bob. At least they aren't liars... I honestly cannot remember the last time I saw a CB come from your alliance that wasn't in some part based on lies, OOC, and petty grievances, perhaps that is because your leadership and those allied with it are more concerned with maintaining their death grip on the mantle of power that they have so meticulously constructed through the suffering, debasing, and enslavement of others. You and your leadership and those allied with your leadership have fallen so far off the deep end the lack of oxygen must be affecting your brains. The amount of animosity you've managed to create towards your little clique is simply staggering given its short existence. The most absurd thing about it all is that if you are ever defeated, I can believe that the victors would be gracious. It is a point of honor that you and yours will never hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Reverie Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Could "other OOC means" include mouthing off to people about who is used to be? Yes, as I recall he told one person OOC, which spawned the problem. However that person was essentially forced to oust him because if it was found out that he knew (he was gov of another alliance), then it would be likely that his alliance would have been rolled similar to the CIS situation. Duffman also had done nothing IC to give up his character. Even tho at the time Duffman was not in that alliance, there was enough petty grievances for the NPO to trump up some sort of CB out of the situation. In the end they got rolled by the NPO for some other such thing and subjected to the humiliating surrender terms which have become a standard practice of the hegemony. Either way it doesn't change the story, Duffman was forced out of the game for entirely OOC reasons, an old IP was used to confirm his identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTTofAK Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 At least they aren't liars... No they are. Their actions when they got a partial IP match on Silva and Junka proved that. If you say you are opposed to something then do exactly that you are a liar. RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 No they are. Their actions when they got a partial IP match on Silva and Junka proved that. If you say you are opposed to something then do exactly that you are a liar. Actually no that's not quite true. The word you are looking for is hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTTofAK Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Actually no that's not quite true. The word you are looking for is hypocrite. All hypocrites are liars. Did you fail logic or do I need to draw you a ven diagram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 All hypocrites are liars.Did you fail logic or do I need to draw you a ven diagram. Not all liars are hypocrites though. I'd like you to draw me the diagram, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iotupa Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 blah blah If you are going to ask for examples, do not simply disregard when they are given. Also, I would like to request that everyone stay on topic, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTTofAK Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Not all liars are hypocrites though. That is correct I'd like you to draw me the diagram, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIdiot the Great Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 That is correct Your diagram is wholly inaccurate. Hypocrisy means that you apply different standards to yourself than others. For instance, I say 'you shouldn't do thing X' yet I do it myself. I can be completely honest and still be a hypocrite. For example, 'I do 'X' but you shouldn't do X for whatever reason and I'm criticizing you for it' is the basis of hypocrisy, but I haven't lied in the least. Some hypocrites are liars, and vice versa, however, one is not a total subset of the other. A liar may not do 'X' and say he does do 'X' but if he's not criticizing someone, or saying someone should/shouldn't do 'X' it just makes him a liar, not a hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deth2munkies Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Your diagram is wholly inaccurate. Hypocrisy means that you apply different standards to yourself than others. For instance, I say 'you shouldn't do thing X' yet I do it myself. I can be completely honest and still be a hypocrite. For example, 'I do 'X' but you shouldn't do X for whatever reason and I'm criticizing you for it' is the basis of hypocrisy, but I haven't lied in the least. Some hypocrites are liars, and vice versa, however, one is not a total subset of the other. A liar may not do 'X' and say he does do 'X' but if he's not criticizing someone, or saying someone should/shouldn't do 'X' it just makes him a liar, not a hypocrite. Also, it's not a Ven diagram. Also, Free Jonathan Brookbank...seriously, you freed everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Also, I would like to request that everyone stay on topic, please. All right, then, so what's your game plan, chief? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 [20:03] <Moo-Cows> I am freeing him Congrats JB - welcome back to the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incitatus Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Awesome! Congrats man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 [20:03] <Moo-Cows> I am freeing himCongrats JB - welcome back to the game There's still IRON and Valhalla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 [20:03] <Moo-Cows> I am freeing himCongrats JB - welcome back to the game What about IRON? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'm guessing with the apology to Iron and Fin accepting it publicly its just a matter of dot'ing the I's and crossing the T's after Moos statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTTofAK Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Also, it's not a Ven diagram. Ven diagram of subsets Dr. Hawking thats why it looks like an Euler diagram. Edited April 8, 2009 by GTTofAK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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