CNRP-R Common History

[Manetheren]

1. It had already become an monarchy (it once almost succeeded, but messed up because of the White Flag issue)

2. It never entered WW2, due to internal turmoil.

Yes, both are possible. The first one is probably more likely, but that depends on how advanced the socialist "commune" movement was pre-WWII in case of the second. It depends on how it is RPed, but clearly France has some gains, likely due to the monarchy as you suggested. This would mean the UK would probably stay out of WWII as well, letting the Germans win on the eastern front (or at least stalemate).

Then you are not thinking hard enough or historically enough

Cough, me points to Bachelors Degree in European history then agrees with Sumeragi. If your plan isn't realistic, then I will tear it apart

Edited February 20, 2009 by Emperor Mudd

[Sumeragi]

Then you are not thinking hard enough or historically enough

There was an incident where Henri, comte de Chambord ruined his rise to the throne.

I'm sorry, but I don't listen to a person who acts like he knows something when he clearly doesn't.

[Lord Frost]

Cough, me points to Bachelors Degree in European history then agrees with Sumeragi. If your plan isn't realistic, then I will tear it apart

I'll RP the history as I see fit, thank you very much. Besides, you can't say Sumeragi and "realistic" in the same post

I'm sorry, but I don't listen to a person who acts like he knows something when he clearly doesn't.

Well you see, unlike in Anime, people can't read other peoples' minds. Since you do not know what I am thinking, or what I am planning to RP, then you have no basis for what you've just said. A shame you couldn't be civilized for even one post. I told you, I have it covered

[Manetheren]

I'll RP the history as I see fit, thank you very much.

If it is realistic and plausible, not to mention even possible, then it is acceptable

[Lord Frost]

If it is realistic and plausible, not to mention even possible, then it is acceptable

Naturally it would be. As I've already stated at least twice by now, I'm going to be working with Jed to create a common history. What that history entails is our right to decide, not anyone elses

[Triyun]

If I could point out, if the German monarchy never fell, its possible that WW II in Europe would have been a more limited war. I doubt for all Hitler's faults, without his sheer force of personality, germany could have been as mobilized as it was.

[Sargun II]

Naturally it would be. As I've already stated at least twice by now, I'm going to be working with Jed to create a common history. What that history entails is our right to decide, not anyone elses

Isn't this CNRP (Realism)?

[Lord Frost]

Isn't this CNRP (Realism)?

Hence why I say I will be working with Jed to create the common history. Surely this concept is not beyond anyone's thinking capacity

[Vasili Markov]

Australia was never colonised by the British and is largely still in the possession of the native Australian tribes. Neo Olympia was founded by a agreement with several local tribes and some scientists who fled from various wars in Europe and Asia. Their culture is thoroughly international as a result of this.

I will write a more complete history post in my CNRPR factbook when I get around to it.

[Sadinoelus]

While I mentioned no actual names, my history is more or less based on the real history of the area with a small deviation. IRL, Britain and the United States had conflicting claims on the Oregon/British Columbia territories until they decided to split the area at the 49th parallel in 1848, while in my history, they never settled and decided to keep things as they were: under de jure joint rule while being de facto autonomous. Once the two powers weakened due to various matters, the area became fully independent.

Edited February 20, 2009 by Sadinoelus

[Sumeragi]

I told you, I have it covered

I'll wait and see, then.

Just a few suggestions, though:

1. Henri, comte de Chambord rises to the throne.

2. France breaks down in WW1, bringing the rise of a short communist regime. After being crushed by the nationalists, France takes a sharp turn left, resulting in a new King/Emperor.

3. The 6 February 1934 crisis, an anti-parliamentarist demonstration organised in Paris by far-right leagues, spins out of control into a full-scale coup against the Cartel des gauches when the Croix-de-feu decided to disrespect the constitutional legality. After a few days of civil war, the Third Republic was overthrown, and an authoritarian regime was formed.

[JEDCJT]

To put it simply, Germany (named the Greater German Reich from 1943 on) won WWII and became a global world power. It remains so today, although its dominance has diminished somewhat. (Don't worry, through -- Hitler was overthrown in a coup sometimes after WWII and a sensible Government was established)

[Sumeragi]

To put it simply, Germany (named the Greater German Reich from 1943 on) won WWII and became a global world power. It remains so today, although its dominance has diminished somewhat. (Don't worry, through -- Hitler was overthrown in a coup sometimes after WWII and a sensible Government was established)

Won?

I think not.... Also, why not just kill Adolf off in the middle of the war, while in a conference with Himmler and his buddies? That way we wouldn't have the SS backing the chicken farmer to power.

Here's a short outline I had sitting in my mail, based on the German invasion of USSR beginning on April 22nd, 1940 due to the Allies not DoWing in support of Poland. Try changing it to make it a more decisive "victory" for Germany:

The war in the East was to last ten weeks. Then, more than 70 of the 98 German divisions were to be discharged and sent home, German men united with their families and casualties embraced in the celebration of complete German domination over the Soviet Union. Yet, the war in the East did not last ten weeks, it was not over after ten months. It lasted as long as the peoples of the Soviet Union were able to defend their lives against the men from the Axis’ states who had joined in a ‘crusade against Judeo-Bolshevism’; once the ten week threshold had passed.

Originally, Hitler had envisaged a war against the Soviet Union as the final stage of his conquest. The war against France was believed to last until the end of 1941, if not 1942. Moreover, already in 1937 Hitler had named the year 1943 as the right year for the war he wanted to fight against ‘Russia’. This was to be his final Weltanschauungskrieg against Judeo-Bolshevism, and the conquest of Lebensraum in the East.

Hitler’s strategy changed after the surprisingly quick German victory over Poland and the lack of an Allied response. Not only did his racial prejudices acquire a confirmation when the German Wehrmacht crushed the Polish ‘sub-humans’; their also approached hubris after the inaction of the Soviet Union. Now, the war against the Soviet Union united means and ends in a campaign that was no longer limited to the final struggle of two opposing world views. In fact, the defeat of the Soviet Union became the cornerstone of Hitler’s new global strategy that would enable him to spread his forces to the entire Eurasian landmass. In order to win the war in the East quickly it was modeled after the campaign against Poland, a Blitzkrieg from the beginning.

The campaign against the Soviet Union was planned to last not much more than ten weeks. From June 1940 onwards, the mass of German soldiers would be at home again or engaged in crushing the French and British Empires from its ‘outer positions’, as Hitler termed them, while planning to attack Franco-British positions in the Middle East. Eleven days before German forces invaded the Soviet Union, a Führer directive already set out the next aims for warfare after victory in the East.

Hitler and the German General Staff no doubt realized that 1940 was the last chance to defeat the Russians. Certainly Stalin recognized this and was willing to do most anything to prevent an attack at that time. Though he failed and Germany did attack, supported by her allies, Hitler and the Germans failed also.

The German invasion of Russia began April 22nd, 1940. Within a few weeks the German advance had reached to the suburbs of Leningrad, to Smolensk, and deep into the Ukraine. That winter, the winter of 1940-1941, was the worst for the Soviets. Entire industries had to be evacuated from German occupied and German threatened areas the first year of the war. The second year wasn’t better: in addition to whole industries, thousands of people were moved to the wilds of the Ural mountains, to Siberia, and to Kazakhstan – much of this during the exceptionally severe winter of 1941-42. Nevertheless, by July 1942, Russian production of war material and equipment again reached the level of the summer of 1940.

In fact, during the second half of the year 1941, with much of European Soviet Union either occupied or directly threatened by the Germans – and therefore with the most of the industrial centers of the region either inoperative or functioning well below normal, the Russians produced 11,300 tanks; 15,000 airplanes and 21,000 guns. By comparison, German industry turned out 9,300 tanks; 12,000 airplanes and 9,600 guns during the same period.

The first sign that the campaign did not go according to plan happened in the autumn of 1940, when the ten week threshold had been long passed and victory in that year had become a matter of conjecture. When the Soviets mounted a counter-offensive in front of Moscow at the beginning of December 1940, and repelled the Germans in the First Battle of Moscow, it was clear that, as events proved, Hitler could not defeat and conquer Russia.

What military historians have called Hitler’s ‘second campaign’ against the Soviet Union commenced in the summer of 1941. The German three-pronged thrust, to Leningrad in the north, to Moscow in the center, and just before their second failure to take Moscow in 1941, a third thrust through the Ukraine to the oil-rich Baku field in the south, was finally halted in the winter of 1941-42.

During the Second Battle of Moscow that autumn, the Germans suffered 900,000 casualties; lost 2,200 tanks; 3,200 guns and 25,000 trucks. Their losses at Moscow caused great discontent in the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (OKW), and in November 1941, a military clique organized a successful complot to kill Adolf Hitler.

On November 28, 1941, at 11:45 AM, Adolf Hitler attended a State Funeral in the new Reichskanzelei (chancellery) in Berlin for Colonel Werner Mölders, the Luftwaffe ace who had died in a plane crash. On the same day, after the funeral, an important conference at the Chancellery took place. This conference, which began at four in the afternoon, had been called by Hitler in light of important information he had received and was attended by the leadership of the Third Reich, including Göring, Goebbels, Bormann, Himmler, Von Ribbentrop and others. A minute before the dinner break, the stenographer left her briefcase and then leave, and exactly at 6:54 P.M. a powerful explosive destroyed the entire room, killing everyone of the presents but Bormann.

The consequent power struggle between the surviving Nazi Party and the powerful SS in one side, and the Werchmacht in the other, marked by assassinations and street battles in Germany, turned the tide against the Axis powers. Lacking any coherent leadership, and handicapped by its traditions of almost absolute dependence of Berlin’s orders, German division after division was destroyed, the entire German line thrown helplessly back. It was noted too, that the tactic of Blitzkrieg was being borrowed with devastating effects by the Soviet armies. The attacking German armies were forced into defense first after the defeat at Moscow in October 1941 and finally after the defeat at Safonovo in January 1942. From that moment on, the ‘fatherland’ was in danger.

Many of Germany’s allies, in January 1942, began looking for ways out of their alliance. Germany was defeated. That was obvious then; the questions that remained dealt with the date and the extent of that final defeat. However, even after the second great Soviet victory at Moscow, the Soviet Union still had a long way to go to clear her lands of the invaders. And as late as the summer of 1942, the German-led armies still had over five million men on Soviet soil.

The stabilization of the German military junta under Von Rundstedt in January 1942 saved Germany: the Soviet offensive was halted in March 1942 near the East Prussia border, and masterful counterattacks executed by Guderian and Von Mansteinn culminated in the recapture of Bialystok: maybe the Blitzkrieg had been lost, but the war was not over. The reformed German leadership and its successful counterattacks convinced Stalin that not only a Soviet invasion of Germany was impossible, there was even the possibility of a renewed German invasion. With the ghost of a new invasion looming on the horizon, Zhukov and Timoshenko convinced Stalin to accept the ceasefire proposed by Von Rundstedt to him in May 1942.

After tumultuous negotiations, an armistice was signed June 1st 1942. The treaty recognized the Soviet “protection” of almost the entire eastern third of Poland (including the city of Lvov), the creation of a rump Polish state “protected” by Germany, and the creation of a demilitarized zone (DMZ) all along the Soviet-Axis borders.

Edited February 20, 2009 by Sumeragi

[Mergerberger II]

I'd say that a more likely story would have been that Germany and Britain reached a stalemate and thus declared white peace after Hitler was killed in a coup. That's the way that I see it happening IRL if the US had not entered the war, anyway.

Vasili Markov, so little of Australia is currently occupied... I don't see why I couldn't have colonized at least that part!

[jutopia la]

I've not yet detailed my history. Any suggestions?

edit: A note about the confederacy. Instead of the confederacy winning the war, it should be a bloody draw where each side ends up greatly diminished in power because the confederacy has lost land. Either that or due to a lack of a adequate centralized government in the confederacy led to regionalism and more secession such as rebel Virginia who then expanded somewhat into what was the US.

Edited February 20, 2009 by jutopia

[Manetheren]

I'm going that due to attitudes about the legality of secession and Virginian nationalism, they seceded from the Confederacy when they felt the Confederacy was taking a path different than it by refusing to manumit their slaves (which many prominent Virginians supported). They are still closely tied to the CSA, though.

[Danforth]

I'm probably one of the more impossible, and the more possible at the same time. An icelandic colony in Asia. Iceland has colonized North America.

[V The King]

Expressing my views on the matter:

I think establishing a pre-set history, particularly something other than the actual historical events, will greatly constraint RP as nations will have to base their history off common events, as well as giving inherit advantage to some players - per instance, to those that claim to be nations that fared better in the course of "history".

[Sumeragi]

V, I understand your concerns, but we need SOME common history to base the current outlay of the world.

Blame Triyun for starting the trend

[Margrave]

I believe I claimed Ireland in a previous thread; at least I meant to. I'll fix it regardless.

I'm trying to think of what a common history for the Gaels/Celts could be. I'm little blank right now.

[Lord Frost]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Me and Jed have been trading PM's and we will have a history soon. I must say we have done fantastically so far :3

[JEDCJT]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Me and Jed have been trading PM's and we will have a history soon. I must say we have done fantastically so far :3

^

This, I confirm. It's going so good so far. :3

[Stefano Palmieri]

Hmm...

After the Collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire the Slovenes elected to resume the monarchy that was implace before the Austrian Take over, however they were annexed into Yugoslavia. At the end of World War 2 the Slovenes assertied their independence and started a civil war before conquoring(sp?) Croatia and Bosnia with the Serbs signing a piece treaty. Then After a breif war with Italy the Friuli-Venezia Giulia Region and the Veneto Region were ceded to Slovenia.

If anybody objects change it.

[Manetheren]

I believe I claimed Ireland in a previous thread; at least I meant to. I'll fix it regardless.

I'm trying to think of what a common history for the Gaels/Celts could be. I'm little blank right now.

Likely fairly the same as it is in real life. Although you could have the revolution of 1798 suceeding, but I doubt it. Most likely is that the Irish won independence in the...well, war of independence and instead of having the civil war afterwards the Irish Republic was preserved with the IRA as the official army of that state.

[Shan Revan]

Since for the most part most major events upto the end of WW2 seem fairly solid,I was thinking something allong the lines of this

isolation less strict - dutch allowed greater interaction and minor immigration.

Mathew Perry storms tokyo and forces the isolation to end. European (Dutch) intervention ensures fairer treaties are signed, mostly to preserve their wealthy trade.

Pacific war progresses as normal until the allies begin seriously going on the offensive. Sometime in 1944, Japan accepts a conditional surrender that protected the Emperor as sovereign and allowed them to keep most of their pre-war borders. As they surrendered before the allies could attack their homelands, none of their infrastructure or home population was damaged leaving only the casualties up until the point they surrendered.

They became a vassel state of the United states in all but name for the next few years.

In an effort to further enable the USA to project power from japan, large sums of money were invested into modernising the nation and new technologies were shared, most importantly nuclear related technologies.

The United States collapsed shortly after however, the global crisis in the only now just recovering global economy caused many great nations to collapse into anarchy or take on new form, whilst others grow from nothing. In the resultant Chaos, Japan receives a great influx of immigrants (about 70 million people to date) as it was one of the few stable places and had a relatively booming economy.This immigration has since subsided significantly from the dramatic spike at the start however immigration continues even now despite rising overpopulation concerns.

total pop: ~246 million, ~82million or of foreign descent, mostly first or second, or third generation immigrants

Willing to adjust it to suit other RP's a bit. Replace names where appropriate (whatever the equivalent to the USA happens to be