Markus Wilding Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 I for one think Zoot is perfectly capable of declaring the post a godmod. Whether he's in the British Isles or not is completely irrelevant...would you do this if Curristan wiped one of my war posts against Fizzy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 [quote name='PresidentDavid' timestamp='1345771564' post='3024680'] I don't recognize your authority to make such a ruling because you yourself are now in the British Islands and also you were in the channel. Granted Curristan was in the channel but he was a little... busy at the time. You have an agenda to help Patrick and I simply don't think it's fair he has a GM on his side. Curristan and Lyn, I would really like to ask you guys to reconsider this and make a rational decision. Get back to me if you have any questions. [/quote] [quote name='Markus Wilding' timestamp='1345773458' post='3024693'] I for one think Zoot is perfectly capable of declaring the post a godmod. Whether he's in the British Isles or not is completely irrelevant...would you do this if Curristan wiped one of my war posts against Fizzy? [/quote] Zoot made the ruling before he got on the Isles. That said, I agree with his decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I'd like two rolls on Sarah to begin ELINT/SIGINT operations against both the TAF and UGZF. I want to start mapping out the attacks she makes on innocent African citizens so I can begin piecing together where they are coming from. Video feeds and whatever as well, but this is pretty much just a usage of today's rolls. The real stuff comes in the next round of rolls when the UAVs come into play. [img]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww106/mofailla/GM/mee.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=111553&view=findpost&p=3025282 This post is presently on hold whilst I discuss with the GM team certain stats used in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 [quote]With the Patriot system making a wring around island, with it stockpiled in the cities above, the 9k330 Tor also is around the coast of Ulster with the Patriot system. The 9k330 was a cheaper model and had more fire power at a shorter range. The mobile launcher for the 9k330 was sprinkled over the entire island but would usually roll in with armed forces to provide air cover. In addition to those means of defense a few hundred flak towers have been built and fully stocked along the coast of Ulster. We have flak towers built along almost the entire coast of Leinster however they have not been fully stocked and do not have basic utilities yet. Also a new vehicle, [b]the M6 Linebacker, has been brought into service at the solid number of 5,000. Each Linebacker can transport six soldiers including a crew of three. The Linebacker is designed for air defense but doubles as a transport. 7,000 Bradley Fighting Vehicles (BFV) have been released into service replacing the unarmed transports we have formally been using which were essentially just trucks with covers on them.[/b] [/quote] 5000 Linebackers and 7000 Bradleys is exceeding the common sense rule put down in the map thread which i quote here: [quote]Artillery, APCs, IFVs, etc. require common sense[/quote] With your IG size and stats available, you are vastley over target for common sense when relation to your size. Im 70k and I only field 7085 of them because its how many tanks I can use, its a realistic number for my size. Curristan is of the same opinion with 7200 IFV's in his entire Army and he is around the same size as me, if not bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantWatcher Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I must add also to Zoot's post that the militarisation seems to be very convenient seeing as you are going through pre-planning stages at the moment. It looks suspiciously like you are using the OOC information to try and get an IC advantage for the planned conflict. Therefore i recommend that the post in question gets wiped immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I concur with Curristans recommendation for a wipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentDavid Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Curristan' timestamp='1345983576' post='3025351'] I must add also to Zoot's post that the militarisation seems to be very convenient seeing as you are going through pre-planning stages at the moment. It looks suspiciously like you are using the OOC information to try and get an IC advantage for the planned conflict. Therefore i recommend that the post in question gets wiped immediately. [/quote] [quote]The Tenth Month, of the First Year, of the First Era: Classified: Weapons of the Scottish Military M4 Carbine - Standard Assault Rifle Heckler & Koch USP - Standard Pistol MG3 - Standard Machine Gun M67 - Standard Hand Grenade Panzerfaust 3, AT4 - Standard Short Range Anti Armour Weapons (SRAAW) Strela-2 - Man-Portable Air-Defense System M1A2 Abram - Maine Battle Tank M2 Bradley - Infantry Fighting Vehicle M113 - Armored Personnel Carrier S-300, MIM-104 Patriot, Tor Missile System- Anti-Aircraft Units M270 MLRS – Rocket Artillery M198 Howitzer - Artillery Military Numbers Maximum Solider Count: 158,400 Maximum Tank Count: 1,077 Maximum APC: 1000 Maximum IFV: 1000 Maximum Artillery: 1000 Maximum AA Units: 1000 Maximum Aircraft: 60 Missiles: 50 Other Sixty Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Aircraft Tomahawk Cruise Missiles [/quote] Patrick posted that on his news thread on [b]August 22, at 2:01 PM. [/b] [quote]I want Ireland. Therefor I must invade. Therefor I must pre-plan a war with you. So......here is my offer: [b]Whoever wins the war gets to decide the outcome of the other nation at wars end.[/b] P.S This is not personal[/quote] He then sent me that message [b]4:55PM the same day[/b] which was a [u][i][b]approximately two hours[/b][/i][/u] before he posted his Stats. Now I would say Patrick has the most inside information out of all of us since he is the one that decided to attack me. For all we know he came in with that intention when he first became Mull. He didn't exactly post numbers for many of his vehicles and weapons. For the sake of our war so we don't lolIhavethis too much, I would like to request that y'all let me and Patrick keep our military stats that the [i]both[/i] of us posted so we at least have something to go off of when we fight. For the sake of RP and not filling up this thread with complaints that y'all have to deal with, I would ask that y'all consider what I had to say. Thanks! Edited August 26, 2012 by PresidentDavid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) [quote name='PresidentDavid' timestamp='1345990097' post='3025367'] Patrick posted that on his news thread on [b]August 22, at 2:01 PM. [/b] He then sent me that message [b]4:55PM the same day[/b] which was a [u][i][b]approximately two hours[/b][/i][/u] before he posted his Stats. Now I would say Patrick has the most inside information out of all of us since he is the one that decided to attack me. For all we know he came in with that intention when he first became Mull. He didn't exactly post numbers for many of his vehicles and weapons. For the sake of our war so we don't lolIhavethis too much, I would like to request that y'all let me and Patrick keep our military stats that the [i]both[/i] of us posted so we at least have something to go off of when we fight. For the sake of RP and not filling up this thread with complaints that y'all have to deal with, I would ask that y'all consider what I had to say. Thanks! [/quote] As Patrick is planning to attack you ICly, it stands to reason that his military is going to be more organised and on a war footing. But you missed the point completly, you are trying to deploy 12,000 armoured fighting vehicles, for a nation of 3k NS, with limited stats, is not common sense, it is absurdity and not allowed. I will not consider what you have to say when your pulling 5000 linebackers out of nowhere and 7000 infantry fighting vehicles, and Curristan raises interesting points about your post as a whole and recommends it is wiped, something I agree with. Lynneth will need to decide if it is or not. Edited August 26, 2012 by Zoot Zoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac MatthewII Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) Did Patrick ICly make a post about planning to attack? Or even being on his way to getting prepared? If not then its just as OOC as what PD would be doing. You're supposed to make the post ICly. Like when Cent was going to invade me, he stacked up his military in a rapid depomloyment base off my coast. Speaking of pulling out stats, didn't you just begin building a large military infrastructure a day after your war torn nations came into existance? Please don't tell me of all people, Zoot is being a hyper realist. Edited August 26, 2012 by Isaac MatthewII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 8,659 Supporters, subtract 1,600 soldiers = 7,059 Civilians. Times 0.8 = 5,647, soldier limit IG. Tanks are 8% of working citizens or 10% of soldier efficiency, whichever is less. Divide soldiers by 10 for convenience, getting 564.72, or 565 tanks. That is how many tanks PD can have. That is how many IFVs he should have maximum, and how many linebackers, artillery, etc he should have. 565 pieces each. Now, this is purely according to mathematics and common sense. If PD and Pat decide to change things, they can agree to let PD use 2,000 of each, or more, or less. That's up to them, though it should be stated clearly what they agreed to, in an OOC topic. Please note the same things apply to Pat, so he shouldn't have more arty, IFVs etc each than he can have tanks. At least that's how I'd see it. Need clarifications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac MatthewII Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Lend lease ftw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 [quote name='Isaac MatthewII' timestamp='1345992207' post='3025380'] Did Patrick ICly make a post about planning to attack? Or even being on his way to getting prepared? If not then its just as OOC as what PD would be doing. You're supposed to make the post ICly. Like when Cent was going to invade me, he stacked up his military in a rapid depomloyment base off my coast. Speaking of pulling out stats, didn't you just begin building a large military infrastructure a day after your war torn nations came into existance? Please don't tell me of all people, Zoot is being a hyper realist. [/quote] I relation to your last part, I am not about to go to war, building a military infrastructure is different from going right out there and saying its already built and ready for use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac MatthewII Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 If you have a military, transports should be assumed. Do you think the army literally marches everywhere? Though most nations build DURING war, Ireland is small, so it isn't able to be productive as quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Yes, transport should be assumed, but not all of it is going to be an APC. It can also be trucks or helicopters...while there are places it should march where logical (such as in mountains or bad terrain that vehicles can't cross) it doesn't help the fact PD has a lot of APCs and equipment for his size.* * UNLESS he and Patrick have agreed to use elevated stats for this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentDavid Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Linebackers aren't tanks. I am using them more as armored transports then anything else. I can lower the number of armored vehicles if the GMs think I should lower it. Do you think it would be reasonable if I lowered the amount of my armored vehicles Curristan? --- Also I'd like to make a complaint that Zoot has (or is planning to) launch 300 satellites into orbit within a week of his independence. In RL only 560 satellites actually orbit the Earth so a new nation that just opens a space agency and has [i][b]twelve billion[/b][/i] dollars worth of infrastructure damage should not just be able to magically organize, plan, create, and launch all of these satellites right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantWatcher Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I have talked it over with PD and he is editing it to the amount we discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 PD Complain all you want, as I have said now, for the fourth or even fifth time, I am not launching them all immediately. Christ Sakes, reading comprehension for the win. Your still over estimating my launches aswell, its closer to two hundred, not three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentDavid Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 [quote name='Zoot Zoot' timestamp='1346002159' post='3025407'] PD Complain all you want, as I have said now, for the fourth or even fifth time, I am not launching them all immediately. Christ Sakes, reading comprehension for the win. Your still over estimating my launches aswell, its closer to two hundred, not three. [/quote] And as everyone else that isn't you has said, you didn't do an ounce of RP for them and just derped it all in one big post. Go ahead and eventually launch them over time if you want, I'm just saying it's unrealistic especially if you have launched that many satellites for all of your past nations. It's a miracle that we can even see the bloody sun...... Also why not just hack into your old ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac MatthewII Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 What is the sun? Anyways, it makes sense to have more IFVs than tanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 [quote name='PresidentDavid' timestamp='1346002510' post='3025408'] And as everyone else that isn't you has said, you didn't do an ounce of RP for them and just derped it all in one big post. Go ahead and eventually launch them over time if you want, I'm just saying it's unrealistic especially if you have launched that many satellites for all of your past nations. It's a miracle that we can even see the bloody sun...... Also why not just hack into your old ones? [/quote] 1) Where did Zoot say he is launching 'X' number of satellites in such a short timeframe and not just write a plan for it? DARPA is researching a lot, and even has plans for weirder technologies. It doesn't mean they'll actually create it or follow through on that plan. When he starts launching an ungodly number of satellites, then complain. 2) Continuity is a weird thing. If he were to hack old satellites, he would be accused of taking assets from his old, unrelated nation to use with this one. It would not be logical to think a nation would simply just hack satellites of a recently fallen nation as well. Honestly, just like with many things related to nations that no longer exist in CNRP, his old satellites just shouldn't exist anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I'm assuming the old sats were safely deorbited by one of the space-powers that be, ie me, Cent or Triyun. My guys take destroyed or deactivated sats and recycle them, I've RPd that plenty of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I dispose of my satellites by putting them in coorbit with Lyn's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserMelech Mikhail Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 [quote name='Isaac MatthewII' timestamp='1346004262' post='3025414'] What is the sun? [/quote] A socialist plot to give free light and heat to the world. [quote name='Lynneth' timestamp='1346005195' post='3025417'] I'm assuming the old sats were safely deorbited by one of the space-powers that be, ie me, Cent or Triyun. My guys take destroyed or deactivated sats and recycle them, I've RPd that plenty of times. [/quote] Do you want to remove all my dead cosmonauts from space too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='KaiserMelech Mikhail' timestamp='1346008710' post='3025430'] Do you want to remove all my dead cosmonauts from space too? [/quote] Free carbon? I'm probably doing that already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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