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[quote name='Sentinal' timestamp='1289123840' post='2504883'] I don't know when we ever claimed we were teaching anyone a lesson in diplomacy. [i]You're[/i] pushing that one onto us. [/quote] Jewel made a post earlier referring to it. EDIT: It appears Schatt beat me to the punch. But to be fair Schatt, Sentinal isn't a small insect made of urine.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289123426' post='2504877'] I think you're getting me confused with someone that hasn't seen this kind of !@#$ in the past. The war with AcTi will by definition last at least as long as the war with its leader. If its leader is to be ZIed, then the war will last at least that long. The idea that [i]you all[/i] are teaching anyone a lesson in diplomacy is absolutely laughable and pompous beyond compare. Grow up and get out of 2008. [/quote] Schatt...please...never leave.

[quote name='Londo Mollari' timestamp='1289120101' post='2504854'] The catty criticism of these terms that I am seeing here from some parties is so wildly unjustified it boggles my mind. In fact, it seems obvious to me that Sirius would be criticized no matter what action they took, simply because of who they are. [/quote] IAA is one of my favorite alliances and I really like some folk in TIO, BTA and TKTB (sorry I don't know anyone from TCU). So your attempt to understand the criticism has a fault. Not everyone is against this because they don't like Sirius. I rather like most alliances in Sirius. However I think it is retarded that the one guy from Celestial Being made a great argument and all he got back from it was a "Nuh uh, you don't know what you're talking about cuz I said so." He made very good points and no one directly addressed them. I have many of the same concerns that he posted. Again, I find myself sick that I am tending to side with Battalion on this whole ordeal. (I think Batta was wrong in the way he acted/acts, however the stagger, trying to cause war, and egging him on was more than enough for a DoW. It is like person A going up to person B and person A keeps telling them to punch them, then the person A goes over and tries to rip person B's hair out. As a result, the person A gets punched in the face by person B and person A goes and tells someone on person B who punched him in the face. The punch in the face was justified, however person A was trying to get that punch in order to get person B into trouble.)

[quote name='Barix9' timestamp='1289114570' post='2504812'] lol, you dont have their best interests at heart either, the only thing you are interested in is trying to stir the pot on something you have no connection to. TKTB's well within their rights to ZI someone who threatened them with war, on top of a few other things. The only reason your posting here is to get your 15 minutes of shame. Congratulations. [/quote] How the heck is he trying to stir the pot? Comments like yours' are making me want to side with Batallion and I hate you for it.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1289097896' post='2504599'] If you're comparing us to a Q lapdog, don't we kinda, you know, need an alliance to be a lapdog to?[/quote] It the type of character you guys display, it is the same as the character of a lapdog. You guys talk smack, talk as if everyone in the room likes to hear you talk smack, but in reality you guys are nothing but an eyesore. [quote]And said alliance would be large enough to make any problems go away. That doesn't seem to be the case here, your anaolgy needs some work. *giggle*[/quote] So you would push your problems on your ally? Noted. [quote]If you're referring to NsO, I'm pretty sure their size has nothing to do with not declaring on them. Lemme check with NPO first though, alright? [/quote] You're telling me that if they didn't have a protectorate, you wouldn't declare war on them? Riiiiigggghhht.

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1289026912' post='2503778'] Oh you. You should know better than we're not [b]nearly[/b] as incompetent as AcTi's leadership have shown themselves to be. Seriously, declaring on an alliance that's in a bloc when you don't have the NS or the political backing to take them all? [/quote] Although Battalion is usually an egotistical jerk, at least he had the stones to stand up for himself. You would of fit in great during the WUT & Continuum time period as a lapdog. You would suggest only to defend yourself if you are larger than the alliances you are defending yourself from? More quality character coming from SOS.

Nice beer review.

[quote name='Batallion' timestamp='1289021652' post='2503631'] Stop trying to make FAR relevant. Please, it's getting annoying. Your alliance is FAR from relevant (lawlz). [/quote] And yet they are a FAR better alliance that can call on their allies and AcTivate their treaties. Batta, it was a jerk move by James and you have a legit CB. But since you have been less than respectful to a whole lot of good people in the past, I will not feel bad seeing AcTi drop. If you did not have such an ego problem, you would see more alliances lining up to help you.

Oh also, if The Conclave doesn't defend AcTi I will be pissed off. Honor your treaties Don't care if they're "optional" or not, honor them. Be an ally.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1289020353' post='2503535'] You guys did check to make sure it wasn't a rogue attack right? Ah well, whatever, none of my business. Good luck, maybe you'll beat some sense into them. [/quote] I hated GOONS until I saw this post, but I still loathe them.

Good call

I'm glad to see my offspring growing up.

Although the Big-10 > SEC in other worlds, in this world SEC > Most everything.

You'll do great Zhaan, you're a good guy and a good leader. I look forward to watching you thrive!

Awesome! Congrats to you folk

You guys were a good alliance o/

I request that Templar makes several more posts in this thread. 'grats!

[quote name='Hyperbad' timestamp='1288811935' post='2501065'] To be fair if anyone were to demand that I choose between them and someone else I'd say bye-bye. Making it personal in that manner has no place in an alliance much less the government and I certainly wouldn't appreciate that person trying to use my own view of them to dictate alliance policy at least when it comes to matters like that. Of course, after demasking the person who makes such an ultimatum I'd demote the person who abused their powers, bringing them down to ordinary member and along with the other individual also removing this ones IRC ops. Some people aren't fit for leading others but it is possible they might still make adequate members. [/quote] Depends. If Teddyyo asked for Battalion to demote xR1 for abusing his powers, otherwise he would leave. Then that would be acceptable to me. Regardless, both parties seemed here. Mostly AcTi.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1288755067' post='2500471'] To be honest regardless of how illogical you thought Teddyo's demands were I would've told XR to take a hike; he thinks he's done more than you, and he's not going to be loyal to you. [/quote] You should listen to this man. I am very disappointed by this whole situation.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1288725840' post='2500031'] FIRE failed again? I'm surprised! [/quote] I know, right? Should of kept with it letub. Good luck to ya Prather You're a good guy.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1288725840' post='2500031'] FIRE failed again? I'm surprised! [/quote] I know, right? Should of kept with it letub.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1288473558' post='2497495'] Wrong. It was 80% since we were founded. I believe it was LOWERED, much to my chagrin. It should not be easy to impeach a leader. [/quote] Funny, someone told me on IRC that Elrich changed it to be higher when he was Chief. Now I don't know what to believe. It seems like neither of us know what we're talking about.

These are good people, you should join up!

[quote name='Denial' timestamp='1288422735' post='2497056'] This idea that we dissolved all of our treaties purely as a method of dropping a few of them while avoiding a 'PR hit' is inherently flawed. Firstly, it assumes that there would have been a 'PR hit' by us cancelling some treaties. Where would this terrible PR hit come from, exactly? Mushroom Kingdom would have been ridding itself of treaties, slightly breaking apart this 'hegemony' that supposedly exists, which is something that our detractors would be celebrating. So, who would be responsible for the tirades and 50-page long threads of criticism that is usually associated with a 'PR hit'? Yes, those alliances that we hypothetically would have cancelled on would likely be frustrated, but MK has surrounded itself with rather sensible friends that generally express such feelings in private venues. [/quote] The people you canceled on would be frustrated as you stated, but just because they're "reasonable" doesn't mean they won't be upset. This could set up a new pathway for them to see things from a different perspective and perhaps down the road side against the Kingdom.

Arrnea, didn't you change the charter so the veto vote had to be 80% when you heard some people wanted you out? In my opinion you were just a terrible leader and politician. People left you because they didn't approve the way you carried yourself and the alliance, crying about it isn't going to help you or your cause.