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To those who didn't demand reps, bravo. To those who didn't, can't say you surprised me. Sparta, you may not be able to fight well, but you sure are good at getting reps.

Surprising, but not. Hail, Ivan, NSO

Well this isn't going to be a trollfest at all.

[quote name='kulomascovia' date='17 February 2010 - 11:51 PM' timestamp='1266468715' post='2188880'] I have to ask, what business does an alliance have interfering in the economic dealings of a nation that is not at war with it? The reasoning of "aiding an enemy" simply does not work since there are many ways through which one nation can unwittingly aid an enemy. Aside from financial aid, a nation can trade with another nation at war, possibly granting access to nuclear weapons. Should that nation be attacked for aiding an enemy? What about donation deals? What exactly constitutes "aiding an enemy"? [/quote]The parts of the tech deals being continued now are being continued while a war is going on - whether or not the actual intent is to help TOP, they undeniably do. As far as I know, aiding an enemy has long been a cb around these parts; correct me if I'm wrong though. Donations deals would fall into the same category. C&G may or may not decide to play nice, but as far as decisions go, EIC should have known in advance this was a poor choice, and done what most people in their places do. As for C&G doing tech deals, as others have said in the thread, in cases like that might makes right, simple as that. This isn't hypocrisy, this is just one side having the advantage of being better able to protect its interests due to the situation. This isn't a matter of opinion, really, it's just simple logic.

[quote name='Penkala' date='16 February 2010 - 09:51 PM' timestamp='1266375077' post='2186758'] Yeah we're all a little busy right now.[/quote]Sorry, but where in the terms did it say you only had to defend the NPO if you weren't busy? I can't seem to find that gem.

[quote name='NoFish' date='16 February 2010 - 04:33 PM' timestamp='1266356016' post='2186200'] I don't think anyone on our end was aware that you lacked reparations targets. GOD recently got a new Lord of Internal Affairs (whose duty such a list would be) and it's possible that there has been some confusion over this matter. I'll bring it up with him tonight.[/quote]Jasmine can correct me if I'm wrong here, but I do believe this has not been a short-term problem with ya'll. Just sayin'.

Touché WC.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' date='16 February 2010 - 01:54 AM' timestamp='1266303267' post='2185093'] Yes I did, did you read the part where you guys claimed FOK agreed to waive reps? [/quote]Not that it isn't fun to read generally, but I swear you really do like arguing for the sake of arguing sometimes

[quote name='JoshuaR' date='16 February 2010 - 01:50 AM' timestamp='1266303022' post='2185085'] I like the responses asking how it could hurt GOD to take the reps anyway. Other than the possibility that alliances at war with GOD will now attack the NPO for war-aiding and thus force GOD and 14 others to now come directly to NPO's defense and if they cannot then they fail to fulfill their own surrender terms thus freeing Pacifica from its own obligations... [/quote]And whose fault would that be?

[quote name='Leigon' date='16 February 2010 - 01:46 AM' timestamp='1266302817' post='2185076'] Did FOK state this in this thread and did i miss it or is that another part of those mysterious logs? [/quote]I didn't realize Fok had to state that [b]in this thread[/b] or it didn't happen. edit - grammar.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' date='16 February 2010 - 01:40 AM' timestamp='1266302424' post='2185056'] My point was that they're using the fact that FOK didn't have any reps due to them remaining as them agreeing to waive reps when they clearly had none left to waive and therefore are using it as added leverage to paint GOD in a worse light. [/quote]As has been amply demonstrated by NoFish, it is sometimes necessary to get superfluous agreements or some will complain. *shrugs*

[quote name='NoFish' date='16 February 2010 - 01:36 AM' timestamp='1266302185' post='2185045'] That may be true (the terms don't say to whom the reps are to be paid, and I've never bothered to check), but they also said they talked to all 15 alliances. [/quote] [quote name='Jesse End' date='16 February 2010 - 01:36 AM' timestamp='1266302166' post='2185042'] I answered you already on this earlier. Even though we don't owe them anything, [b]FOK agreed to a suspension on reps/minimums.[/b] [/quote] How many times must this be stated for it to get through to you?

[quote name='Master-Debater' date='16 February 2010 - 01:16 AM' timestamp='1266301010' post='2184978']Insert obligatory “NPO set the precedent years ago which makes it us ok to copy NPO.” I really can’t express with words how amusing I find this to be. GOD helps to take out the NPO and then comes right back and does exactly what NPO did. Its proving again how great Bob can be. [/quote]You forgot the part about it all being the NPO's fault for following terms, but good aside from that.

[quote name='Earogema' date='15 February 2010 - 11:05 PM' timestamp='1266293148' post='2184371']Most alliances lose more members than the gain, easily. The results have proven this time and time again. You state that high turnover rate applies to all large alliances, but Pacifica and possibly IRON are the ONLY TWO that have maintained members, possibly gained members during and right after the war. Most other alliances, even for a short time, will lose members, except in rare instances such as people wanting to fight against Polar in this last war, and thus joining PC.[/quote]Well don't you just make us feel downright special.

I'm sure glad there's no one that would blame the NPO no matter what it did around here.

[quote name='Earogema' date='16 February 2010 - 12:12 AM' timestamp='1266297146' post='2184701']...and that the 153 possible defensive slots aren't being filled by their ENEMIES, right? [/quote]Now I wonder why THAT could be....

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' date='16 February 2010 - 12:07 AM' timestamp='1266296859' post='2184665'] This is just a sneaky way of funneling tech to NSO. [/quote]Shh! Don't spoil the surprise.

[quote name='Newhotness' date='15 February 2010 - 11:51 PM' timestamp='1266295909' post='2184536'] i hope someone ends up being a PoW of NPO. lol [/quote]Mission Accomplished. http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=353735 [quote name='MTTezla' date='15 February 2010 - 11:57 PM' timestamp='1266296252' post='2184569'] I think we've all misinterpreted the sinister-ness of this action. This just means that Pacifica has decided to use its banking power to swing a major war instead of a its military power! They've clearly figured out how to oppress the Cyberverse while still under terms.[/quote]

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='03 February 2010 - 07:26 AM' timestamp='1265199974' post='2156311'] Lies ... the Imperial Fortress in Francograd has a special room in which the sense of humour is beaten out of anyone running for public office [/quote]Quite the cover eh? Oops, did I say that?...

[quote name='lakerzz8' date='03 February 2010 - 02:09 AM' timestamp='1265180951' post='2155941'] No matter how many other wars the target is engaged in, his nukes, CMs, and aircraft attacks still do serious damage. There is nothing to gain here. We won't have a higher tech total or more land after the war is over. I really don't see the point you're trying to make. Our allies requested our assistance. We're assisting them. What are you finding difficult to comprehend? [/quote]Methinks you're wasting your time with this one, but I have to get my two cents as well, so w00t for not taking my own advice. Alterego, seriously, you're wrong. Get over it and stop trying to prove otherwise.

[quote name='Voodoo Nova' date='02 February 2010 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1265171924' post='2154598'] I noticed this as well.... [/quote]Be afraid.

Win, another State of the _____ address to look forward to. How often will these be, LoD?

This is win.

Have fun.

Considering the lack of proper grammar in the first paragraph, what you said it made me laugh, OP.