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[quote name='shahenshah' timestamp='1357873285' post='3074403'] Wondering if the "honourable" grace period by BFF would have been offerred without the deal. [/quote] Despite all of us not wanting BFF to walk into even that, they were adamant.

[quote name='thedon125' timestamp='1357873152' post='3074401'] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]I am airing this because I am saddened by the treatment of our long-time ally, NEW. Gov of BFF, you cannot kick an ally to the curb and seriously expect good PR from the OWF, though I know that was your plan.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]As Stewie, MCRABBIT, and assorted other members of the OWF are alluding to, yes, within hours of this nonsense starting, certain gov members were on the phone with Brehon and assorted others trying to fix the war, to ensure BFF would walk out unscathed. If NEW were to have kicked off the war, BFF would have followed right after. NPO and NSO would counter BFF, and the expansion would end there. BFF would fight non-nuclear combat with NPO/NSO until our treaty obligation ended, then white peace would begin. ODN and INT would aidbomb us, while half of Bob dogpiled on NEW. I believe these diagrams show the picture well enough (I do not take credit for these, someone else made them, they may step forward if they want to take credit).[/background][/size][/font][/color] [url="http://imgur.com/a/6GK72"][color=#1155cc][font=Arial][size=4][u][background=transparent]http://imgur.com/a/6GK72[/background][/u][/size][/font][/color][/url] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]Much of the nonsense was kicked off when we queried vibi from NEW, to get the story. Unfortunately, English is not vibi’s strong point, so out of the gate, we made some rather dumb assumptions “NEW is just trying to kick off a huge war, NEW is planning to drag us down with them, NEW has been conspiring against us all along!!!!”[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]Then, coekrix came online later that evening, and lo and behold, none of that was really true (coekrix has far better English skills, and so it is much easier to figure out what he is saying). The aidbomb was a spur of the moment decision on NEW’s part, and yes, they did expect to get countered by someone. NEW likes their war, what can I say. However, they would not have pulled us in to burn unless we were on-board. They actually asked us (FEAR/BFF) to stay out during NEW-DF, and I have no doubts that they would have done the same here. NEW is not, and has never been manipulative, and to treat them as we did is despicable.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]<coekrix[NEW]> it's not only bout NEW[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]<coekrix[NEW]> but BFF as well[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]<coekrix[NEW]> we will end this war[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]<coekrix[NEW]> NEW has to help kaskus[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]<coekrix[NEW]> but NEW doesn't wanna BFF got crushed too[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]<coekrix[NEW]> we have to think bout you[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]<coekrix[NEW]> coz this isn't bout NEW self[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]<coekrix[NEW]> it's started because third party, which is K[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]<coekrix[NEW]> if this is only bout NEW of BFF, we won't think twice [/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]Clearly, NEW is a bunch of puppetmasters.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]NEW, if you still choose to go in, know that your former BFF’s have alerted all the wolves and baited a trap just for you. You’ll be in for a tough fight, though I suppose that’s what ya’ll enjoy.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]Chax, please remove my name from the OP of this conversation. You know as well as I do that I wanted to give NEW a proper send-off, not this garbage.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]NEW, in my opinion, you have always been steadfast allies. Sure you have a thirst for war, but you have always stood by us. If we ever needed your help, you were always among the first to respond, and we have truly let you guys down. Besides, you made Bob interesting for us, and it is unfortunate to see this tie cut in this manner. You deserved us to go in guns blazing, even if we still canceled after 7 days. None of this “fixed war” nonsense. Even cutting the treaty and saying “you violated the spirit of the treaty, we will not protect you” would have been more courteous.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]BFF has clearly abandoned the values that made the bloc great, and today is a sad day in CN for me. [/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]--[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]TheDon125[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]-Former Trium of FEAR[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]-Former dMoFA of Europa[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=4][background=transparent]-Former Trium of BFF[/background][/size][/font][/color] [/quote] And now this guy is saying NEW are saints. The same NEW who were threatening on going rogue on VE just a week or 2 ago. The same NEW who claimed they would activate all their treaties. The same NEW who "claim" they would cancel treaties before starting a war, but instead aided an alliance to start one before doing so. You're naive and a sell-out, your word means nothing.

[quote name='MCRABT' timestamp='1357872458' post='3074386'] Yes they negotiated a limited war to because that would help NEW, that makes perfect sense. I actually agree that NEW deserved nothing, not even the cancellation period. They deserved to be left to deal with the consequences of their own stupidity, like I said BFF trying to manufacture a moral victory was idiotic. My problem is not that they wronged NEW who are terrible but rather that BFF struck a deal so they could claim they would still honour their obligations which I think in most peoples minds was silly and unnecessary in the circumstances. [/quote] All BFF owes NEW is the grace period, in which they would have been fighting on their own. And they are giving them that. Also, get off your high horse. This "deal" was in place to protect everyone from its stupid, including your own allies. BFF would likely have still gone in without it but it was the best way to guarantee it would have remained contained for others (hi cng). I can't believe you're actually !@#$%*ing about something that helps your side despite it being an addendum to a commitment that would have been fulfilled regardless (and was genuine).

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1357871998' post='3074379'] Yes, this going global is in our hands. And I personally at present see no reason for it to expand out and start causing unnecessary damage to allies on both sides of the conflict who honestly have no desire to burn or be burned fighting over Kaskus. That said NEW has a price to pay. I would have much preferred BFF to have not made this thread because now you are in the position of for the next 7 days NEW can go off and do something completely off the reserve and then BFF will be dragged with them. [/quote] I think everyone on both sides agree NEW needs to get rolled. This was BFF's stance regardless of the thread being made or not, doesn't change anything except giving the OWF something to finally talk about. They know what they got into.

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1357870787' post='3074352'] We're just butthurt we don't get a war yet Bit of Blue Balls over here! [/quote] We both know this turning global was in yours and NPO's hands, so you complaining seems kind of silly. [quote name='MCRABT' timestamp='1357870876' post='3074357'] BFF inked MADP with NEW knowing they were stupid. NEW decided to act in character and do something stupid. BFF panicked, struck a deal so it didn't take damage for NEW's stupidity. BFF cancels treaty on NEW but pledges to honour treaty anyway. See what doesn't make sense to me is why didn't they just skip step 3 and cancel the treaty citing quite correctly that it was null and void? If you examine the motives of BFF they are for self preservation and to save face. That leads me to conclude that the only reason BFF pledged to honour the treaty is because they struck a deal to leave NEW high and dry while they take next to no damage, so if NEW now react to this cancellation by going ape !@#$ they are covered anyway. To suggest it's because they value the relationship is laughable, I'm sure BFF's leadership would love to see someone destroy them for putting them in this situation. I don't lay claim to morality but I have a good nose and can smell !@#$%^&* a mile off and the honourable BFF is reeking. [/quote] Completely contradictory. If it was self-preservation, they would have skipped step 3 as TORN did. They don't need to save face at all here, NEW was obviously retarded and deserved nothing. Committing to taking on a much larger opponent for even a short term is more honorable than most other alliances would have done and more than NEW deserves.

[quote name='mythicknight' timestamp='1357869847' post='3074332'] Feel free to show where we ever backed down. We've been in communication with NEW since we heard about the situation, and now that they've stopped aiding we're satisfied. If they are still attacked, I fully intend to defend them in whatever way I can, not try and weasel out of an obligation using a feigned offense, nor try to coordinate a farcical short-term defense with the very people that attacked them and then leave NEW to be "demolished" by the world. That clear enough? [/quote] Funny how quickly tunes change. I'm sure you would have been right there with them on NPO, right? You know what NEW was doing was retarded and a deliberate attempt at war.

I like how people are trying to chew out BFF while they were NEW's only ally committed to actually doing anything for them (despite how retarded NEW is and how no one could fault them for not enabling that crap).

[quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1357868916' post='3074318'] NEW has done enough to discredit it's own honor. [/quote] I totally meant BFF, my bad.

[quote name='mythicknight' timestamp='1357865014' post='3074261'] Sending aid to their friends in the heat of the moment to try and get in on some action is far from some brooding plot they concocted like some of the posts in this thread are seeming to insinuate. I'm not defending their actions (we were taken by surprise too), but there's a clear difference. [/quote] It was a clear plot and was stated as such to develop a global war from the beginning. Considering how quickly you guys backed down from defending NEW, I thought you would know that.

The attempts to discredit BFF's honor by people who back down on ultimatums to let Big Brother take over is amusing.

Glad to see this one get settled.

The Order of Viridian Reapers lives.

Looking good guys, congrats to those elected.

I forgot echelon was alive

Enjoy retirement, hope you stick around though. We need more personalities here. Congratulations dajobo! We all knew this would come eventually and it's well earned. I look forward to our continued cconversations heading into the new year.

Congratulations to our wombat brothers

Who let Mega be in charge of something?

[quote name='Emperor Whimsical' timestamp='1354789401' post='3060986'] I read this whole thing and I can safely confirm that Sniperjoe and Gibs are bad at everything. [/quote] I second this.

My condolences to all who knew him and his family... I've known him for years so this is a particular hard one to take...

...my sincere condolences. I have had the pleasure of getting to know him over the last month or so while we put together the protectorate...this is really out of left field. Viridia is here for you guys.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1353595495' post='3056211'] Awww is poor wittle Billy Wallace still upset I raided a GPA nation a couple years ago? [img]http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/sad/crying.gif[/img] [/quote] I'm sure you think that made you tough.

[quote name='James Spanier' timestamp='1353553894' post='3056012'] That's what happens when people make me do my job. Yosh administration: Argent maintained allies and signed on new ones. Foxchild administration: Argent loses allies by the truckload. TIO is next on my list. [/quote] You just wanted the free sub. Regardless, best of luck in the future.

[quote name='Jgoods45' timestamp='1353554867' post='3056018'] A better world? ahahahahaa. Fools. The whole lot of you. [/quote] The post-war bawwing is going to be glorious.

Although expected, still a bit disappointing. Best of luck to both of you.

[quote name='Lorikz Kain' timestamp='1353454405' post='3055244'] So much negativity and we are only 3 pages in? Man tough crowd today... Well I for one am an equal opportunity good lucker so I say to all parties good luck on your future endeavors. Never an easy move to make. [/quote] Without any negativity this planet would be dying out much quicker.