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[quote name='Vol Navy' timestamp='1304920783' post='2708947'] Q hit your allies?? You were in Q up until what...a couple of days before the war started? Violating the intelligence clause in Q for months at the time no less.[/quote] Us being in Q a few days before the war started doesn't mean it's suddenly okay to hit our allies and expect us to just sit there. Q was delusional if they thought we would sit that out. [quote]And yes....when Umbrella is saying "you go here and do this" with no regard for the massive PR fallout or terrible beating your alliance took for making the move, and you go blindly along, that's leaning towards puppet status.[/quote] So we're a terrible alliance because we were willing to take a political and military hit for our allies? You are confusing puppetry with dedication to friends. As a member of TPF, you of all people should understand that. [quote]I just crack up at the last statement. You back people whom are sure to win and in exchange give up all independence. You spent a long time in Q lending political and military strength to it's actions. You've never "lost" a war because you and MHA have both gotten out of dodge when the fire was ready to fly. MHA ignored a treaty with a year long cancellation clause in Karma and watched NPO burn, then ignored a treaty with no cancellation clause and watched Gramlins be crushed into a micro alliance. [/quote] 1 - We thought that IRON, TOP, and NPO would all be on the same side during Karma when we jumped in to help GOD. We honestly thought our side would have been crushed just based on their stats alone (IRON and NPO each had 4k nukes, which was unheard of at the time, and TOP was...well...TOP). Luckily for us, Fark and GRE took care of business and neutralized the hardest front of the war. 2 - When we hit IRON in cluster$%&@, we again thought there was a good chance of supergrievances getting overwhelmed due to Polar being on the other side. Again, lucky for us, Polar screwed over half the world and allowed our side to win the longest and most painful fight of our CN careers (Feanor's nukes still hurt to this day). 3 - Just because people on the other side have lost three straight wars doesn't mean we always back "the winning side". We've rolled with generally the same group of allies (pre-XX) for over two years now. It's not as much as us always winning wars so much as it's you always losing them. You screwed the pooch when NPO hit OV early, TOP got set up to lose when Polar betrayed them, and Polar got screwed when PB found a suitable CB (legit or not, this isn't the place to debate that) to roll the living crap out of them. We had the same allies in every single war, and every single war the other side found a way to make themselves lose. You shouldn't be blaming us my friend, you should be blaming yourselves. [quote]The day either of you stand by someone and get stomped in a losing war and don't bail is the day that will change mine and a lot of minds on Sparta. There is a reason why so many people from both sides think you are a terrible alliance, it's not just because you took a major beating in a winning war either.[/quote] I still don't understand this misconception that no alliance is respectable until they lose a war. We like winning, and we're going to keep trying to win until the day Admin turns off the lights. Maybe if ya'll stopped finding ways to keep yourselves from winning every single war the story would be a little different. [quote]I would love to be proven wrong and see this be a truly independent bloc. I will be extremely surprised if it ever comes to pass given the current treaties of individual members and their direct ties to the PB/DH/SF/CnG sphere. [/quote] Those ties go both ways, my friend.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1304920143' post='2708944'] NoCB war -> 7 months -> Karma war ends -> 6 months -> BiPolar War -> 9 Months -> PB/NpO War This is the latests wars that I took part of, now between BiPolar War and the last war I had 9 months to rebuild and save a warchest and my nation NS peak was something around 90K NS. In the war against VE I lost all my infra(9k) and 6k tech and to re-buy 6k tech I'll spent at least 10 months + one month that Polaris lost because of terms + one month rebuilding before start buy tech again = 1 year. So regardless I don't take part of a war again, what is very unlikely since a major wars happens in a interval small than 12 months, I'll never be able to surpass my previous NS peak. I hope you agree with me that I'm very active and competent enough to build a properly nation, so is impossible to have these big nations if you actually [b]fight wars[/b] independently if you are in the winner or losing side. [/quote] How in the hell did you lose 6k tech. I got swarmed by nations 30k higher than me and went through the meat grinder of AZTEC's mid tier and still only lost 2k. You must have been nuked by some serious nations. 0__o

Casualties don't equal skill, but nation size certainly equals casualties. Drai wouldn't have 12 million casualties if he was only 30k.

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1304896745' post='2708756'] Is that a threat? [/quote] Would it matter if we said no? You'd still pretend that it was anyway.

[quote name='Vol Navy' timestamp='1304884398' post='2708682'] Problem being...Sparta admitted to plotting with other alliances to overthrow Pacifica in the months leading up to Karma. Thereby violating Q for quite a while before actually leaving the bloc. This was admitted by George the Great 2 years ago.[/quote] Um...no we weren't. GtG may have been King, but he was a piss poor King who rarely, if ever, agreed with the rest of government. He is a great guy, but was not a great leader, and his constant spouting off about random crap publicly is great evidence of that. We don't take him seriously, and neither should you. [quote]Had you left when you started that stuff it would have been a different story. As it is you stayed right there until the very last minute then publicly switched sides.[/quote] We didn't switch sides, Q hit our allies. What did you think we would do. [quote]Your latest fiasco was this past war when you very strongly appeared to be Umbrella's hand puppet and declared on Nueva Vida without any treaty.[/quote] Ensuring the military victory of your allies by any means necessary isn't being a puppet, it's being an ally. [quote]That's the problem with this entire bloc. None of you have ever used your massive strength for any kind of independent actions.[/quote] Except helping everyone else win wars for the last 4 years. Just because we back friends doesn't mean we aren't independent, it just means we are loyal to those who are loyal to us. [quote]As of now this entire bloc looks like another PB/DH colony bloc. [/quote] Colonies generally aren't stronger than the motherland.

[quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1304879292' post='2708649'] To be fair you guys were a big part of why said bloc was feeling that way internaly...so which came first the chicken or the egg? [/quote] That feeling within the bloc was the result of all of us. We all had our issues and none of us handled it like we should have. I'm not saying Sparta had absolutely no hand in the deterioration of relations (We [i]all[/i] said and did dumb stuff, even us), but we certainly weren't planning your demise as Damsky is saying. We honestly tried to get things back on track, but when !@#$ hit the fan the interests of all of our alliances simply didn't fit together anymore, and as a result we left Q and canceled several very old treaties. We weren't expecting war almost immediately after. We thought we had time to repair our remaining treaty with Pacifica and see if we could salvage [i]anything[/i], but low and behold conflict happened anyway. Once the storm got started we had a tough choice to make, but we did what we did and what happened, happened. We didn't [i]like[/i] fighting against former allies, but in the interest of victory for our remaining allies at the time we had no other choice. It sucked, but we're over it, and so is Pacifica. If any other people who weren't involved have any issues with it (Damsky), then they really are behind the times. XX is the here and now, and obviously Karma is in the distant past, both in strength and in character.

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1304870977' post='2708588'] Hahahahahahaha. Why anyone would want to be in a bloc with MHA and Sparta is quite beyond me. Don't you remember what happened the last time they were in one and said bloc was about to enter a losing war. [/quote] You mean [i]two years[/i] ago when we left a bloc that was tearing itself to pieces from the inside out due to arguing and paranoia among its members? Man, we reeaaaaaalllly sucked for not wanting to put up with that mess anymore didn't we. And about that "losing war", it was only losing for Q because Pacifica started it in literally the dumbest way possible. Don't blame us for their mistakes.

Holy crap Ech is still around? I honestly didn't know that.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1304794077' post='2708119'] We still hold a treaty with them. [/quote] I think he meant in its previous form?

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1304797824' post='2708141'] What i am loving about this thread is the amount of people hailing it, half of them bashed MHA and Sparta's DoW Oh! Join my side of the web! please?! [/quote] I'll admit I've been quite surprised at some of the replies...or rather who is making them. It's interesting, that's for sure.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1304750010' post='2707941'] He didn't actually like Vox Populi. It was too [i]popular[/i] for his tastes. Was totally being ironic. [/quote] TWiP was too mainstream. :hipster:

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1304719598' post='2707694'] [color="#0000FF"]I'd sign with Sparta[/color] [/quote] I...I...I'm not sure how to respond to this. Somebody go get Satan a jacket, he must be cold down there. That being said, thank you? Also, I'm going to answer in the form of the classic "Marry, Screw, Kill" game, reworded to "Bloc, Treaty, Roll". I'll limit the bloc to 6 members (including us) total, as that is the largest number of alliances in a major bloc today. I'll pretend like we are only allowed to have one non-bloc treaty, and we are only allowed to roll one alliance. Bloc - Fark, MHA, R&R, Sparta, RIA, Asgaard Treaty - This is tough, so for the sake of not having to choose between resigning any current allies, I'll say TOP. They're pretty damn awesome. Also, Crym, wings in 7, Flyers in 7, Nucks in 6. Nucks beat wings in 6. Flyers beat Lightning in 5. Nucks win the cup in 7. You heard it hear first. Roll - Normally I'd say something like NSO or CoJ just for the entertainment factor, but that seems a little pointless. I'd rather roll somebody who actually might put up a fight, like MK or an Order or one of the FOK's. That would at least be fun and challenging.

[quote name='Hadrian' timestamp='1304673525' post='2707413'] Frightening that you haven't figured it out already. Sparta would be the slave. [/quote] What Fark does to us in the dungeon is none of your business mister.

You guys really are clogging up the OWF these days aren't you.

[quote name='Steve Buscemi' timestamp='1304639006' post='2707136'] Haha, wow, just noticed that now. Congrats. I think the question would be how can an inactive nation fire a nuke though? That's not a shot at Sparta...all mass member alliances have inactives. I'm sure you have [i]more than enough[/i] actives to take on just about anyone. I'm jealous of your tech totals. [/quote] If they're too inactive to fire a nuke, then they're also too inactive to complain to me on the forums about how war sucks and everyone should be friends...so I'll count that in the win column for me.

[quote name='Hadrian' timestamp='1304621512' post='2706994'] No, Fark is the old man. [/quote] Who are we?

[quote name='Lukapaka' timestamp='1304620383' post='2706973'] A nuke is a nuke, mate. [/quote] And we have more than anyone else

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1304551773' post='2706351'] People are still signing treaties with Sparta? Why? [/quote] It's the only way to hear Tulak in a skype call. People come from miles around to hear his silly foreign accent.

This is a congratulatory post. It is absolutely devoid of any humor what so ever. I will now end this harmless post in a hail of my friends in the alliances of Farkistan, Mostly Harmless Alliance, and R&R. Hail Farkistan. Hail Mostly Harmless Alliance. Hail R&R. I hope you all have a wonderful day, and are not concerned by my post at all.

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1304517044' post='2705982'] I'm already doing something about it: laughing. [/quote] You're such schoolyard bullies.

/me sighs Congrats on wrapping up the war I guess.

I never thought I'd actually enjoy a bunch of old people erections.

So what if they hired bros? You are spies, and he is good at finding spies. I don't see the issue.

I'd say TOP did more damage going down than MK did. Then again, TOP had the best top tier in the game while MK didn't...but still. TOP was certainly a larger pain in the ass to whiddle(sp?) down than...well...anyone ever.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1304266689' post='2703198'] It is a non-chaining MDoAP. [/quote] ah, alright. Thanks. I wasn't sure if that part was serious or not. Edit: OOOOOOH I get it now. This part was confusing me "so long as the attack is not the result of an offensive declaration on behalf of another alliance. At that point, the defense becomes optional". I thought that meant the attack on one of the signatories of the treaty, not the counter attack from the other signatory. Gotcha.