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I was actually curious, so I looked it up. Turns out it's been 5 total, of which you've accounted for 3. Way to pull your weight, hoss!

I tried to do all the shadow puppets but ran out of hands. FOK

What is going on is this real life

Very happy to see this.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1320530272' post='2839807'] [b]Umbrella, for too long you have been the voice of reason in PB and DH[/b]. TOP [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54743&view=findpost&p=1436061]was the voice of reason[/url] for NPO and you are the voice of reason here. NPO eventually got what was coming to them, and so will MK. Fark, don't forget what GOONS did. They can claim they are different all they want and that may be true in the sense that their rulers are not the same rulers that were during the original GOONS, but those original rulers are gone. [b]Look at their close friendship with Umbrella (Made of many former Genmay people) and tell me, are they really that different?[/b] They have been advocating shark week, and they still tech raid and, if the could get away with it, I'm sure they would take donations from you again. TOP, I understand you have a MDoAP to MK, but I would like to remind you that they have a history of throwing away their allies when they no longer need them and it was not too long ago that they are the ones [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79441]who have shown time and time again, in public and in private, that doing harm to us is high on their agenda[/url]. All MK is doing is treatying you for the influence you have in PF. They are using you. Gramlins, I understand that TOP is your bloc mate in PF with you, but do realize that they were never really on the receiving end of the original Hegemony and they cannot comprehend the type of persecution your alliance had to deal with it in the past. It is just a matter of time before MK and its lackeys do similar atrocities. [/quote] If you're going to try to play two sides against each other, best not to do it this openly in the same damn post.

[quote name='janax' timestamp='1317706604' post='2815807'] The burning question of the hour: How much, and which side, will be paying GOONS, GOONs and GONOS their reps for this war? [/quote] I've done some careful analysis of the treaty web, and I think the war will go as follows: Invicta attacks NSO, RoK attacks Invicta, Europa attacks RoK, Nordreich attacks Europa, GOONS attacks Nor, MK attacks GOONS, Umbrella attacks MK, GOONS attacks Umbrella. Given that none of us are big enough to actually declare on any Umbrella nations, nothing is stopping them from crushing MK, thereby assuring our victory. So in the end, Umbrella and MK will be paying us 2 billion in reps. Again.

[quote name='Mandellav' timestamp='1317702126' post='2815586'] I think NSO and Tetris vs. Legion is a close war [b]and should remain that way.[/b] [/quote] Why would you say such a horrible thing. Happy hunting, NSO.

[quote name='SonicPluto' timestamp='1317275789' post='2811257'] [size="5"][color="#FF0000"][b]DEATH TO THE LEGION!![/b][/color][/size] [/quote] It's like poetry.

Four more years!

Neat. But I can't help thinking it should be called "Cuatro Equis"

I can't wait until you team up with the Bloodfighting Kingdom of Mushrooms to take on the Shadowkilling Order of Pacifics.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1300340343' post='2667176'] My initial point was never in question because it was correct. [/quote] Actually it was very much in question due to being completely wrong. I will point out that the whole back and forth between us has been a direct result of your point being in question. Though looking back, I suppose you are right; that 'especially' should not have been in there. You win this semantic argument, Moldavi!

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1300339075' post='2667137'] I never said you should ignore them. Unlike some people here I say exactly what I mean when I say it. I stated that you can not state that your side was the weaker one at the time of the declaration because that was not true. You also fail to mention that several of those MDP partners were otherwise engaged and that some of your partners went out of their way to attempt to coax and threaten them into staying out of the war, a failed tactic to be certain, but one that would have had some level of upper tier support and therefore some assumption that those numbers would not add onto the NPO side of the conflict. If you are someone "in the know" within Doomhouse (and I have no idea if you are or not) and you are out here spouting that you went into this war with the [i]intention[/i] of being on the losing side then you are a strategic mastermind. But that isn't the point you attempted to make. You stated that Doomhouse declared on NPO from an initial position of numeric inferiority and that is just a lie. It will always be a lie. You can't change that. [/quote] Let's recall the original point you were trying to make: [quote]Also, if this would have been the initial declaration of war it would have received praise from me. I am all for a straight up fight. But it doesn't. It comes weeks into it after the combatants are set and several others have been freed up, undoubtedly to bring additional pressure into acceptance of these terms. After spending weeks getting prepared financially and militarily, with a clear statistical advantage, that's when this "enlightened" method of warfare comes up.[/quote] A straight up fight is exactly what we were expecting. It is what should have resulted had it not been for your mass flight into PM. Arguing about who had more NS in the initial declaration will not change this fact.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1300338169' post='2667097'] I see I hit the mark. You can't respond to my point so you launch an attack. You believe that just because certain actions are expected that those end results justify your initial move. That is incorrect. You can't claim to be on the weaker side when the fact is that you weren't by any statistical measurement when the declaration came. Whether I am aware of the logistics involved in planning a war or not is immaterial and not relevant to my point (or the point you attempted to make and failed). [/quote] I haven't failed to make my point in the slightest. We went into this war expecting a more or less even fight, since we had the very basic foresight of expecting NPO's MDP partners to jump in immediately (which they did). Accordingly, both sides had roughly equal NS for the first 2-3 rounds of the war, exactly as expected. To claim that we should have ignored the obvious when gauging our strength and odds is honestly bewildering. I mean, by your logic, NPO was by far the stronger side during the Karma war.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1300337504' post='2667060'] No, that is not at all what you said. You might have inferred some fanciful idea of counters but in order for counters to exist you had to have a declaration, which you did, with roughly a 2 to 1 advantage.' [/quote] How the hell were you ever in charge of planning wars?

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1300336994' post='2667036'] Is that right? Interesting. I could have sworn the NPO had something like 16 million NS on January 23. Didn't you guys declare with something in the neighborhood of 31 million? Now, as I said, I am no genius with the CN technical stuff but I am almost certain 31 isn't less than 16. [/quote] I am almost certain that once you include the 'various counters' that I mentioned, such as Legion, NSO, TOOL, Invicta, etc, we expected to be fighting significantly more than 16 million NS In fact, check out these fascinating stats from day 3 of the war: DH 30,267,964 NPO 32,244,632

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1300335835' post='2666975'] Also, if this would have been the initial declaration of war it would have received praise from me. I am all for a straight up fight. But it doesn't. It comes weeks into it after the combatants are set and several others have been freed up, undoubtedly to bring additional pressure into acceptance of these terms. After spending weeks getting prepared financially and militarily, with a clear statistical advantage, that's when this "enlightened" method of warfare comes up. [/quote] What are you even trying to argue here? Doomhouse declared without a numerical advantage, especially when factoring in various counters. And we certainly expected to fight your upper-tier nations from the get-go. The only thing that denied us a 'straight-up fight' from the very beginning was the staggering cowardice displayed by your coalition. We are merely offering you a chance to redeem yourselves.

Shoot, I don't think I got around to fighting any of you guys. Come back o/ GONADS

Congrats to PB on the victory. And thanks to Polar, which has helped make these last two months extremely interesting.

Congrats on peace, especially to our iFOK buddies.

Once we can think of a proper backronym we are totally changing our alliance name to GOONS OF DOOM.

[quote name='Maelstrom Vortex' timestamp='1298423963' post='2642213'] Cures: The only cure for Doom House-Itis to date seems to be Pacifican willpower and blood. [/quote] Truly, the cure is worse than the disease.

I'm all for the use of punitive reps, but I don't get what CSN is trying to accomplish here. DT entered on an ODP clause into a peripheral side conflict that no one gives a !@#$ about, and you want to make an example of them, why? Get them out of the war and move on.

[quote name='Remlin' timestamp='1297117842' post='2624550'] Mushroom Kingdom is the [color="#FF0000"]greatest[/color] alliance I have ever been in. I was very proud to be accepted into such a [color="#FF0000"]great[/color] alliance, and even prouder to be a part of such a [color="#FF0000"]great[/color] community of people. This [color="#FF0000"]great[/color] pride of mine was broken and shattered when in my moment of weakness, I hurt this [color="#FF0000"]great, great[/color] community of people who had accepted me, not only as a friend, but as one of their very own. I only hope that these [color="#FF0000"]great[/color] and proud people can find it in their hearts to forgive me for the pain that I surely have caused them. I let you, my friends and comrades, down, and for that, I offer my sincerest and most heart-felt apology. [/quote] That MK sure is a bunch of great guys

Welcome, and good luck!