Max Power

He might be a native French-speaker or of some other similar language in which "news" is a plural word, FYI.

This war isn't nearly adversarial enough. Where's the uncut, seething hatred that envelops the soul only to reduce it to a cloud of noxious ash?

Shouldn't the TOP/Polar treaty be the ultimate proof of letting bygones be bygones? The terms TOP et al. imposed on Polar during WotC, the terms Polar et al. imposed on TOP during Bi-Polar, and the terms TOP once again imposed on Polar during Grudge are probably the harshest outside Karma. If even those can be overcome, why are we bringing up age-old problems here? As it pertains to current discussions, I hope all turns out well without anyone having to be excluded from playing our glorious political game.

It's missing the NG-NSO both of those alliances with TLR treaties.

If any post could possibly show the lack of hatred in this war, it's this one. Best of luck to BDF developing its future and to Riot Society for whatever role it plays in that. Hope the fighting's fun and the peace is profitable.

Congrats! Very impressive. Love me some tech.

So we're in complete agreement then.

So we're not even e-lawyering anymore, we're actually RPing corporate HR? Just when you think the OWF has jumped the shark to its maximum extent...

"Just a few more details to iron out." I see what you did there.

This, plus the fact that a lot of gifts can't be given directly. Buying dinner for people who aren't you? (Think parents paying for a kid's date, that sort of thing.) Buying clothing for people who have a horrible time finding stuff that fits but have a favourite store? Gift cards are perfect for that sort of thing.

So what you're saying is Kashmir and tJL shouldn't have granted you white peace. ;) (Sorry, had to.)

^Depends how time-consuming they are. I can rattle off a poem about apes or something nice and quickly. Having to review the Star Wars Christmas Special would be infernal.

We need to start using this. When you declare war against The Javahouse League, you pay... the Nobel Price. :war:

Yeah, but the pizza's from the cheap place.

All that's completely fair, but to the typical player who uses CN as a way to kick back after work with some online friends - which I presume is far more common than the fanatic-level players we generally see running things - it's tough to imagine the climbing an enemy's ladder thing being all that appealing. As for deserving to be disbanded, again, it's difficult to say that from a purely OOC perspective. It's one thing to say someone deserves to be rolled IC for something IC, but to say someone's offsite-based CN community should cease to exist seems like a bit much.

^Really just a wonderful post all 'round. I'll echo SW's shout out to Walsh while I'm at it, great guy to work with.

@bcortell: Depends on what you consider Plan B to be, i.e. whether an attack on NATO can be construed as a de facto attack on Plan B as a whole because ultimately TIO loses allocable NS out of the deal. If NATO and TIO are sufficiently joined at the hip, which the combination of their pre-existing MDP and the Plan B treaty makes them at least on paper... It's like if someone hacked into a bunch of bank records that include wiping the balance of someone's account who was about to give you a substantial gift, with the full knowledge that's what was happening - sure, your house hasn't been directly assaulted, but your interests have been injured enough for you to rightfully perceive hostility against you. "for some other purposes" ...well I don't see any other possible purposes here. I'm looking at TIO's Wiki page now and I can't find a single TIO MDP ally that could possibly be of concern to TOP.

Oh joy, we all get to sit around the campfire and analyze a treaty! The second part doesn't say "declaration of war on TIO". According to the aforementioned Article 4, a declaration of war on a Plan B signatory is all that is required for TIO to recognize hostilities against the greater integrity of the bloc. Much as in any MDP treaty, as Centurius rightfully noted, this entitles TIO to act according to the customs of our world. In the case of this specific treaty, which is a bloc treaty with a stated supremacy, clause, TIO has every right to intervene in defence of NATO. Nowhere did TOP declare war directly on TIO, but that is irrelevant. What TIO's announcement effectively says is "we recognize TOP's declaration of war on the greater entity that is Plan B, and we therefore take military action". While I agree the wording is sloppy, and DDL would have been better served to write "managed... on Plan B" rather than "managed... on TIO" in the first part, I can't fault the spirit behind this announcement. In short, this is a situation TOP could reasonably have foreseen when declaring war on NATO, based on both the MDP nature of the NATO/TIO treaty and the bloc/supremacy nature of Plan B. That said, I'm sure TOP foresaw it and didn't mind. Happy warring.

I'd sympathize a little more with this argument except that a lot of CN's greatest communities have been from offsite. I don't like the idea of telling people "you can't play CN with your friends from elsewhere on the internet", especially when there are members who rarely venture outside their own alliance forums. If you're someone who spends more time on your own alliance's forums than in the general CN community, why keep playing when you can't be in your alliance? I wonder what a forced bloc breakup would be like in today's world, so that instead of individual alliances getting destroyed it's just that they're not allowed to be tied to each other in certain ways, like the forced NPO treaty cancellations after Karma.

Likewise. We imagine at this point you won't have a ton of trouble with them.

The Javahouse League is in accord with the above. The Javahouse League no longer considers itself to be at a state of war with Screaming Red Asses or Kaskus, and also no longer considers those alliances to be at war with Kashmir or the Sandwich Confederation.

This is just about the right time to inform you ROMA is our ally's protectorate. Seems our cordial acquaintances in CCC agree with us on this. ROMA doesn't have government, an IRC channel or forums. It's a storage tank. It can't "know" anything. If ROMA-related issues surface with your alliance, feel free to PM White Chocolate in-game. She's the one in tJL/SC who handles most of the ROMA stuff.

I agree on white peace and surrender. To me, white peace is a true draw. Historically, this has been called "indemnity".

You declared, though, so clearly you aren't that unhappy. While winning but not on the winning side, NoR vs. WF in PB-Polar comes to mind. Just a solid post right here. So true.

Always knew SOM could pull through, proven right ITT. As for Rotavele, you could always declare on them... but you're not in range.