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VEtoe stands strong

Caliph, just so you know when that incident occurred there was a discussion about our conduct in dealing with you on our parliament's forums and several people stated that they were unhappy with how we had proceeded with the matter. So if it counts for anything, here is another personal apology from me, I don't believe we acted on par with VE standards in dealing with you. Of course I understand if you are still angry with us and don't expect you to change your mind on anything, I was just hoping I could provide some more perspective on the matter.

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1292139767' post='2537195'] Oh? First you snitch on the guy now you come to his thread to bash him? Class freakin' act. Snitch. [/quote] I didn't realize this part of planet bob had turned into the ghetto, I would avoid it at all costs but the comedic relief some of you provide is just too great.

All I ask of everyone is that you get the facts before you turn to your usual chants of VE being evil. I promise you we are more then justified and acting in a reasonable manner. WasDrogen, I don't know what would make you do what you did, hope this is a short engagement.

Congrats on your win WF! o/ Green

This makes me really really happy. o/ GOONS o/ Ninjas

You guys are some of the most respectable people in the game, thank you for the great treaty while it lasted. Stay classy o/ GATO \o

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1286941315' post='2483179'] you guys do have major interconnected treaties with SF, CnG, and Aztec blocs. VE has treaties with SF alliances (did you forget your MADP with GOD- Not to mention due to the MADP plus the MDoAP with RIA: you could bring in Chestnut Accords bloc), or the MDoAP with RoK, plus your MDoAP with NV who is in a MADP Bloc). FOK is in LEO with RnR/Int, Athens has an MDoAP with PC, GOONS holds MDoAPs with LOST and GOD, Then there is MHA, Fark, Argent, WF, NEW, and Guru Order as direct treaties. then you have several indirect treaties with alliances like Sparta along with others, like IAA, LoSS, GATO, NpO, STA, and others. so you have heavy and direct connections to SF, CnG, Aztec, Chestnut Accords, and LEO. along with the fact that LEO is overlapping due to FOK being in both LEO and PB. Chestnut Accords overlap with SF. so if you description of being hegemonic is the world of Q or WUT in which Q or WUT was the center of other major blocs, well that is pretty much what PB is considering it can call on many blocs to surround it just like Q or WUT did. [/quote] To add on to what hizzy has said all of VE's treaties are non-chaining as well. More on topic, now that this is finally announced it's time to celebrate the only way I know how. [img]http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes6/animalhouse347.jpeg[/img] TOGA TOGA TOGA!

Damsky! When the hell did you leave, bah, have fun and good luck.......but, THEY ALWAYS COME BACK!

I'm not sure I'm reading that right, but if you're suggesting VE is a member of Superfriends you're wrong.

Boxes Complaining Grievances to Pandora

[quote name='DictatatorDan' timestamp='1286199950' post='2474181'] [color="#FF0000"]Hoho. I see wat u did thar! Very clever. You have just shattered my view of VE as a mediocre (at best) alliance. CONGRADULATIONS! O/VE O/GOONS O/PC O/FOK/iFOK O/Mindless Hailing[/color] [/quote] I really thank god that only a small minority of posters are of the same quality as you, otherwise every single thread would be filled with second grade style argument/defense techniques.

[quote name='DictatatorDan' timestamp='1286171825' post='2474000'] [color="#FF0000"]Umbrella is the only one worth it's salt. All the rest are just mediocore allainces.[/color] [/quote] I don't know if you know this but salt is fairly cheap now a days and is not really considered in the same category of commodity as say gold is. Also, writing statements like that isn't nearly as "cool" as you think but does make you look like a bigger tool.

[quote name='Prodigal Moon' timestamp='1285982331' post='2471744'] Well, accurately or (apparently) not, I think most can agree that VE has traditionally held a reputation as an alliance that greatly values peace, diplomacy, mercy, etc.[/quote] Then why can people not also agree that VE has traditionally had unpopular/"immoral" friends, and by traditionally I mean during it's entire course of existence? The truth behind it is people support us when we're on the same side of the political spectrum and when some change occurs we become the spawn of the devil. Isn't it kind of sad that the most discussion that occurs on these boards about VE is always other people trying to tell VE what it's history and it's values are? Don't like us? That is fine, but don't go around telling me what I am, I have more insight into that then you ever could. [quote name='Prodigal Moon' timestamp='1285982331' post='2471744'] it really makes one question whether there are any alliances out there that have strong principles and are willing to make stands based on them. Or is everyone out there taking the path of least resistance, signing with whoever comes along and shows interest because they're "decent guys" (or whatever) and you have some friends in common, or because it's politically expedient.[/quote] One of our most consistent "principles" is the belief that our allies should be able to do what they wish because they have their own sovereign rights. At the same time we expect the same respect in return so please don't tell us that we should force our allies to act as we do because frankly that principle is yours, not ours.

Honestly arguments like this really piss me off. You want to claim that VE acted in a politically motivated way during its reformation? Yes that's true, we had absolutely no other way of coming back. During the period in between the existence of Viridia I was a member of at least two or three of the post-VE alliances that were plotting how to re-form Viridia and in each alliance the feeling was that we had a huge target on our backs ready to shoot us at the first sign of trouble. During this time I had come back under a different nation name to protect my identify, I don't remember the details of it but GOONS ended up finding out and attacking me and what I feared most at that point was that I would be putting other Viridians in risk of attack. Basically put we were afraid, not so much that we would be attacked, but that our dream of a reborn Viridia would never come true. So we did what we had to, we're not proud of it, but we did it. With that said, to accuse Viridia of acting in politically motivated ways at any other point in it's history is simply not true. Every time there's a shift in politics people accuse VE of hypocrisy and being a horrible alliance but the truth is we have always stuck with those that have treated us as friends, and we have always had friends on different sides of the moral spectrum. Our oldest ally of all is GOD, and its no mistake that they are also our best and most loyal friends. With that said they are also an alliance which is very strongly on the other side of the moral spectrum that many of us envision. Friendship is the reason VE allied to NPO after GWI when no one else would, friendship is the reason VE helped bring CIS into Initiative when no one else wanted them, lack of friendship is why VE left the Initiative and tried to join GUARD (although we were denied because they saw a target on our back), disrespecting us and our friends by attacking them is the reason VE cancled on NpO and NPO, friendship is why VE has/had treaties with both Ninjas and GOONS and is still friends with both. No VE is not a perfect alliance and yes we do change over time, there have been things in our past, VERY recent past, that I am not proud of, but I'd say we have a damn good track record. And no one who has ever seen VE's inner workings should ever expect us to stop changing because even on the most minor of details membership can never agree on what course the alliance should take. I found long ago that the one constant effect of these threads it to make Viridians even more proud and resilient, because say what you will but we know the truth behind Viridia, and that truth is a beautiful one.

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1285739718' post='2467918'] What a great friend. Getting pummelled by a group of your large friends doesnt count though. [/quote] You people really amuse me.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1285736146' post='2467720'] Fair Winds, you have no idea how many people are rooting for you....hope this escalates for the good. [/quote] Not that I see this escalating, but I strongly suggest anyone else thinking about getting involved think again. Clarification: As in don't attack GOONS, not as in don't attack Ninjas

Ejayrazz <3 I'm really gonna miss you man, don't be a stranger! (actually really you should just join VE, that goes for all of you damn ninjas!) Have fun! PS GOONS: I still love you too!

I really hope this leads to war

You guys had some of the best members around, here's to you. o/ CIS

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1284444969' post='2453368'] I released him upon the world. [/quote] The what good is the cage?!? This is horrible there goes the OWF. Tarikmo

I thought we had a cage to prevent you from doing this stuff?

Easily GOD

Haha, hey Methrage! How've you been? P.S. thanks for the extra wars we had fun too

Sard I'm always here when you want to hug...or more if you want