Laslo Kenez

[quote name='Prodigal Moon' timestamp='1344667855' post='3020796'] I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that this was intentionally ironic and simply say: well played. [/quote] For someone with a rock-star reputation, I'm as humble as they come.

This thread is a cesspit of people with an inflated sense of self-worth, and you should all be embarassed.

Oh man, I liked you guys a lot Farewell!

[quote name='bkphysics' timestamp='1344366597' post='3019621'] The history part I completely agree with, but they have a tendency only to flop around when they need to latch on to another power sphere. The Hipsters are still keeping their sphere together for the most part, but when the tide shifts, as it always does (this is Bob after all) I would suspect that what you predict will come to fruition. I would be shocked if either made a cancellation simply trying to create a new power sphere on their own. That is something that would break their historical precedence and to be frank, neither has the political guts or know how to do it IMHO. [/quote] Not that the content of your post isn't really, really interesting, but where does the Hipsters nickname come from?

Magicninja is upset he didn't get as many casualties as he wanted

Doing a bit more than existing, being great while you're at it

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1343947562' post='3017955'] Not my fault if you bend over and accepted the viceroyship, indeed most people would disband and that's just because most people sucks, but disbandment is better than slavery while both are still terrible choices when you always can keep fighting, what the worse thing that can happen? Be Zi'ed? Boo hoo! I love my freedom much more than my infra or technology, if your GATO members don't, shame on you. The fact is that your alliance preferred slavery than keep fighting, may be nobody said to you that your alliance had this option or the members were too afraid of lose more infra to think in this possibility, but if you really think that you deserve any respect because your alliance bend over and it's members passively accepted it I have to laugh, a lot. [/quote] You have literally no idea what you're talking about, but I'm glad to have your completely uninformed opinion several years on from the matter about what you think is the respectable thing to do. It's almost as if you will say anything to make your point, simply because you can. The membership of the time persevered and here we are, stronger for it, whereas you are and will ever be a complete mouthbreather who will never see that kind of situation.

[quote name='Lincongrad' timestamp='1343944798' post='3017945'] We get trolled all the time for our NPO viceroyship. Good stuff, huh? Mad respect for sticking through it. Not too many people can understand what a viceroyship feels like when they haven't been through one. [/quote] You guys have been alright by my book, kudos for launching counters with what seems to be good discipline and a will to succeed.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1343941750' post='3017936'] Are you talking about the war that GATO accepted to become a NPO viceroyalty? Also is easy to stay at war when you have no other option, the hard thing to do is stay at war when you have an easy way out. [/quote] Sorry, but that's absolute crap, the expectation was that we'd disband at a time when that's what most people did. And to be honest, the members who stuck it through the war and the Viceroy showed more character and fortitude in that time than you've ever shown, in all your many years of posting whatever you need to in order to make a terrible point.

Hm, never seen chefjoe defend us before, something must be wrong here

[quote name='OPArsenal' timestamp='1343925140' post='3017865'] You need to decide if you think there's absolutely no way we're coming in or if we can be baited into a declaration. You're really starting to look schizophrenic, the way you're jumping all over the place here. [/quote] I don't think you can be baited into a declaration, that was clear enough a long time ago, as I said. At no point have I said we expect you to change, but don't worry about your reading comprehension too much. What I'm saying is this; your frustration about the fact you're being forced to sit on the sidelines is clearly showing, as basically every Polar poster decides to make some baseless accusation aimed at us in this thread, whereas everyone else is focused on different topics. I can understand your disappointment, don't worry

[quote name='Panic King' timestamp='1343915209' post='3017831'] You mean their overlords(GATO's) made a mistake? [/quote] You hit the nail on the head, we're being puppeteered along by ODN Polar posters are clearly substituting actual military action for posts in this thread that completely miss the mark. Lashing out much?

Something about Trotsky ruining everything.

[quote name='OPArsenal' timestamp='1343878852' post='3017723'] I'm sure that's what you meant. [/quote] You think a lot of yourself, but nope. It was pretty obvious you guys weren't coming in about a month ago.

[quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1343866537' post='3017678'] It would appear so. [/quote] I don't really see what you're getting at here, to be honest. ODN face various enemies, want peace on their terms, but as it stands those enemies sensibly seek to deny them that. We have some strength left that'd be useful, so we're going to try to push it along, as a sensible ally also does. Nobody is acting particularly irrationally or out of order here. They have a strategy (not sure it's the right one, but that's for an entirely different time) and then we come up with what we have in response. Are we finished? Seems like all that remains is really to argue whether our presence will push Legion out. And I hope it does!

[quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1343862092' post='3017652'] A better question is why do you expect the enemy to fight on your terms? [/quote] I don't, but we can try and make it happen. And that's pretty much the point, isn't it? Is this War 101 or something?

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1343851837' post='3017588'] Actually, that is exactly what the world expects from GATO. [/quote] That'd idiotic, why should we allow them to fight entirely on their own terms? They didn't expect that going in, I have no idea why they'd expect that now. You've never allowed people to fight entirely on their terms, nor has any sensible alliance, ever.

[quote name='OPArsenal' timestamp='1343783477' post='3017399'] "It's not opportunism, it's not false bravado... We're merely helping ODN do what they're not strong enough to do on their own!" You're making your allies look [i]fantastic.[/i] [/quote] ODN did a fantastic job with every single one of their many attackers, but after a month and a half of being dogpiled, I don't see the issue. Especially since they've avoided giving ODN a real fight, rather than a focused segment of their popuation. It'd be an ridiculous if the multitude of failures that declared on ODN exclusively in the lower tier hadn't gotten somewhere. What do you actually expect from coalition warfare? Do you expect us just to sit around indefinitely, respecting the right of alliances to fight wars entirely on their own terms, accepting their peace terms when they're good and ready?

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1343782146' post='3017392'] If the alliances that ODN is fighting are a Crap-pile(TM) and you needed (even more) help to fight them, what this tells about your alliance? [/quote] In the defense for Legion, apparently they've been the only ones to really bother fighting particularly much this whole time. The turd blossom, so to speak.

[quote name='Dajobo' timestamp='1343771276' post='3017349'] Nothing so deep Pingu, just disappointment at the choice when my information has been that it's ODN holding up the peace talks. I fail to see how GATO joining in will change a thing on that front which then makes it look like pure opportunism. [/quote] Legion are still at war with ODN, though. Peace obviously wasn't imminent (since we're still at war now, and will still be tomorrow, and probably the day after), and if ODN want peace by their terms, then GATO does what it can to get them peace by their terms. It's not opportunism or some effort to look like a hard-ass or anything of the sort, it's just war-time coalition work. [quote name='Lincongrad' timestamp='1343770616' post='3017347'] Come on, everyone knows that since a GATO nation pulled out first, GATO may as well surrender to us unconditionally. Game over, man, game over! [/quote] It's all a big game of chicken, and we lost!

[quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1343718400' post='3017236'] I wonder if Grub even knew who you were? [/quote] Probably not, but it's not myself the insults were aimed at, was it?

[quote name='Dajobo' timestamp='1343613705' post='3016850'] It's funny seeing GATO carrying on about how much they dislike Polaris when we have had bugger all to do with them and held no ill will towards them. Attacking during peace talks is pretty low though so I'm most certainly revising my opinion from neutral! [/quote] For me, it's very much been a Grub thing. Others might be different though! As for the DoW, you can't expect people to not use the advantage they have if parties are seen to be thumb-twiddling in peace talks.

[quote name='Wilhelm the Demented' timestamp='1343551424' post='3016633'] States the best representative of GATO since... never. [/quote] If you'd like to try and refute my point though, that'd be great.

[quote name='Thrash' timestamp='1343545175' post='3016626'] Please feel free to tell me which one of your allies I have pestered. My issue is with you, and you alone. Unlike you, I don't bring others into it. [/quote] This is just about the most one-sided grudge I've experienced. We don't care about Invicta, we've never cared about Invicta, and we never will care about Invicta. You must be the first person DarthCyfe has actually managed to upset, bravo.

[quote name='Prodigal Moon' timestamp='1343520613' post='3016548'] At least we've established that GATO has changed for the more assertive/aggressive (depending on who you ask I'm sure). For what it's worth, here's a more realistic version of pre-C&G GATO: Thrash hopes we burn and we.... ignore him/ask him what exactly his problem is with us. [/quote] As I said previously, Invicta hasn't exactly been a hot topic. A few months back I told the now MoFA Dre4mwe4ver, who had been asked by Invicta if we had any issue with them, that we clearly didn't. Thrash continues to pester ourselves and our allies, so I feel somewhat within my rights to tell him to take a hike. [quote] We learn that MHA plans to hit close coalition members.... and we confront them/wait until war is actually declared, since AA's make all sorts of plans during war. Get hamstrung by conflicting treaty after conflicting treaty... and drop treaties/do just about anything besides declare another aggressive war, in support of MK. Edit: Maybe not as fun, true. But there seems to be an inverse relationship between self-indulgence and respectability. [/quote] That first one is absolutely laughable in how ineffective it'd be, and considering it was our bloc-mate, waiting for them to actually get a round of wars off would be an abysmal failure. As for the treaty issue, it was tough and it remains a massive shame, but ultimately RnR knew the position they were putting themselves in by forming the frontlines. I don't think they have any real problem with it, and in fact I'm actually quite a fan of the alliance, if less so who they choose to make company with. I've had this argument a million times, so honestly it's not something I care to do again. I suppose "wouldn't be very fun" would the wrong phrase to use, yeah. Minus the last one, which I think can be debated for ages without conclusion, they're very firmly either personality or the logical move to make. We are not produced in a GATO factory. Laser is enormously patient, so he'd probably let snappy comments from Thrash slide, but I think very few people wouldn't act on an identified threat to a bloc-mate.