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You sure you wanna go there?

You are absolutely correct, sir. Yeah I need to check AA before responding. I made the mistake of reading your post and responding quickly instead of checking your AA without reading the post and responding like I feel most people do. I assumed you were a Polar mouthpiece based on hateful rhetoric alone, and I do apologize. I was referring to you as though I was speaking to a member of Polaris and you deserve better than that. "SUN can go die in a hole in the ground" would have been a better response, but it strikes me as off-topic and inflammatory so I'll just stick with my original apology. I said we were a nice, outgoing group of nations... not that we played nice.

To subtleknife: DBDC policy should not at all be what's being questioned here, it should be Polar's. We have been consistent with our raiding, pillaging and destruction pretty much since our inception. We have rules that we respect with regards to allies and friends, and that hasn't ever changed. Polar is nowhere near our sphere of friends, and the recent OWF declarations make that even more difficult to imagine. It has always been in our best interest to make sure you don't ever possess nations in the super tier, because your true intentions are well-posted here. The only difference now is that Polaris has now given us a no-expiration reason to hit your nations and all nations allied to you with more justification than we've ever had. I will point out that we've never needed or supplied a justification for violating sovereignty, this will just remove you from that discussion. DBDC is a very friendly organization of pretty outgoing nations, it's not terribly hard to get on our good side, but some alliances insist on alternate/conflicting paths, and well, that's what the war button is for. To Schatt: Though your comments aren't directed at me, I would like to point out that I understand fully the interpretation of tech aiding during wartime. Obviously we are prepared for tech disruption, though I think the cat is out of the bag on that one. The only problem here is that Polar has direct treaty obligations that are going to be ignored or put on the back burner to enforce such a sweeping anti-tech policy. Again, totally not my problem.

wow context is helpful, but I suppose when you are this ignorant of how even basic cybernations functions work, like proposals lol, it's not surprising something like this makes it to the owf. Caladin was not sanctioned because he was aiding the alliance we happened to be fighting, he was sanctioned because he went out if his way to set up tech deals through third party nations on the pink sphere to funnel tech to the specific nations we were engaged with, of which there were only three. I sanctioned him personally to force him either send tech directly or take a hint, but we aren't going to DoW Pacifica to spite one dumdum. The level of discourse here has deteriorated substantially over the last few pages, and that's typically my signal to exit the thread.

I can confirm this. He's been playing with it like a kitten and a ball of yarn for 3 days now. Most interesting thing we've discovered is if you turn of MDOAP's then turn MDOAP's back on Polaris and Aftermath have a seizure (Umbrella too).

10/10 would read again

Sarcasm aside, you can execute this if you are prepared to face the consequences. DBDC is built without a tail end, so there is nothing to grab and drag down. There is no other alliance constructed the way DBDC are and I doubt very strongly other AA's can try to imitate that and live to tell about it.

This is not the first time DBDC's tech suppliers have come under direct threat, and it certainly won't be the last. It's a well-known, though surprisingly ineffective tactic and requires a lot more commitment and infrastructure than anyone at Polar has prepared. It's not to say it cannot be done, but it's an exercise in futility and as I stated before, will be Polar's undoing if they follow through on even a portion of what they've assigned themselves. I'm with OsRavan on this one, I think it's a lot of banter and posturing to please a constituent base that has probably already made up its mind. I would have advised waiting until the political climate was more in their favor, but then again, that's why I'm not on that side of the treaty web. It's all conjecture until someone does something about it, and I'm confident in the ability of our tech suppliers to defend themselves bravely. What is real is DBDC's recognition of war with every aspect of Polaris, from their tech supply chains to their leadership and treaties. As Prodigalmoon alluded to earlier, it's best to not pick a fight with an enemy that has little to lose, though it's unfortunate he wasn't capable of distinguishing which party that is. DBDC will take very little direct damage from such a moronic foreign policy as Polar's "hit the tiniest nations at will" and can guarantee any ally of Polaris a zero percent chance of survival outside of peace mode in the top 300 ranks. Tech sellers may evolve and cycle as they wish, but nations will at some point cross that 170k threshold and we will be there waiting, with no expiration date. Ask the former eQ coalition how the post-war destruction/rebuilding went for their super tiers, I will wait. As for specific alliances in question, such as TOP, Bob hit it on the head. We recognize a state of war with all of NpO's treaty base, and while they are on it, we consider them enemies of our state. We are cognizant, however, of the mutual ally situations that may exist and will not forsake allies solely for the purpose of satisfying an OWF bloodlust. I'm certain Polaris will take a similar approach to their declaration. It will be a very interesting next couple of years, since neither of us is going anywhere anytime soon, and we both have a lot of friends.

Goddamit this is brilliant

may your will be done. We aren't really capable of wiping anyone from the game, but setting them back a year isn't out of the question. Either way, it will be a fun war and SUN always gives a good fight, both on the battlefield and here.

This is some of the most stretched logic you will see ITT and reeks of schattenman rage speech. Not only do I see this as a desperate play, one that will be absolute hell to keep up, but you're essentially cementing the current political state of CN against you (Polaris) over what is by all accounts a well-timed preemptive strike by DBDC. You are more than welcome to take whatever approach you think is warranted, but don't be surprised if this is your ultimate undoing. I have no doubt that our allies will see this for what it is, a back door approach to a problem you were more than capable of solving along with the rest of our detractors. You're basically doubling down on a losing hand and I commend your bravery. DBDC hereby recognizes your recognition of attacks and does you one better. Until a second agreement is reached, DBDC will consider itself at war with every current and future ally of Polaris and might just hit anyone who send tech there too, if it pleases the casualty gods. If you wish to trade the micro tier for all claim to the upper tier for the rest of your existence we gladly accept your challenge and volunteer as tribute for the 1v1 you so desperately seem to think NPO deserves. We have been prepared for your decree of ineptitude and let me be the first to welcome you to big boy warfare. Godspeed Polaris, you will need it.

"don't worry guys, I got this"

Noted. Thanks for being alive SUN

Would you have preferred: In light of recent actions taken by Doom Squad and SNX, DBDC hereby recognizes a state of hostilities with SNX for the duration of their existence on Planet Bob.

ma little babies is all grown up.. Well except for one..

I really don't get all the overreaction to all these senate proposals. It always seems to come from nations with less than 1,000 infra too (which was you Methrage until less than a week ago). I don't know how more clearly to iterate this: the purchase of one bank would literally have more impact on your nation than any of these proposals and the relative impact these have on tiny nations versus large nations is astounding. For every negative event that costs these tiny nations a few thousand per collection it ends up being a multimillion dollar swing in the larger ranges, sometimes over 100 million. Again, all the financial 'damage' you insist you are taking can be negated with literally one tech deal. I'm also very glad that this needed to be published on the OWF, like anyone else gives a crap what is going on there. As I've stated on pink message boards, instead of publicly complaining you'd be far better off if you were actively doing tech deals, building infra and trade swapping when possible on backcollects. As a senator, I try to be as judicious as possible with regards to sphere-based proposals, but I see my efforts are being countered with irrational behavior. I expect nothing less from pink :awesome:

Lol you win one midterm...

I'd estimate it's roughly 800 people playing total. The rest are well...

NATO you have sunk to a new low. Anything with Doomsphere is bound to end badly.

Allow me to illustrate the current state of CN politics with a simple meme:

Good job Tywin. congrats to you both. I'm not a particularly big fan of either AA, but I can respect the effort put in to make a treaty viable. Use it soon!

Gotta be hulk hogan right?

Did I do good:

Ruhroh, drama already on the Gopher team. Team synergy is in jeopardy!

Though to be fair, if you have a team with me and admin on it, that seems to cover all bases. Rest of the team could literally be comprised of whatever you want.