Arthur Blair

[quote name='Dochartaigh' date='06 June 2010 - 03:48 PM' timestamp='1275835686' post='2326281'] yet again, that ignore button on IRC is quite handy. even if E_T could not resist joining #mushroom, if everyone had him on ignore you would pretty much never know he was in that channel. my point stands in that everyone involved in this mess pretty much comes off looking like an !@#$%^& and a jerk when simply put, E_T could have used that ignore button and everyone else on CnG's side could also have used that ignore button. the fact that, none of ya'll seemingly thought about that ignore button shows all of ya'll to be petty and harassing. ya'll come out like E_T is nobody but at the same time like he was this huge problem that deserved ridicule and ooc attacks. no one deserves that not even CnG from E_T. thus, IRCops or whoever created the ignore button that should have played a huge role in diffusing this situation but seems it did not. [/quote] Dude why would we want to ignore a great source of amusement? How are we my idols if we don't ignore him? How are we my idols if most of our responses are "uh... sure buddy."? I mean even when he calls us members of the british nationalist party (pretty much british nazis) we don't get downright mean and malicious, but just keep on trucking.

[quote name='Aimee Mann' date='06 June 2010 - 02:07 PM' timestamp='1275829653' post='2326234'] I was kindly given a link to them, had a brief browse and if you don't think MagicalTrevor is baiting in those logs then I don't know what to say to you. [/quote] Alright. So can we reduce the horrible crime to MagicalTrevor [b]obviously being facetious[/b] in a few out of a whole lot of logs?

[quote name='Aimee Mann' date='06 June 2010 - 01:46 PM' timestamp='1275828356' post='2326217'] You wouldn't? Your intentions seem to have been to bait him in private conversations (I don't care if he started them either, incidentally, you can ALWAYS be the more mature men in situations like this) and then laugh about it later as a collective in your private forum (behind his back). Sure, you later humiliated him publically in the topic in AP, but I'm guessing a majority of it was hidden away. [/quote] This argument would make sense if the intentions of the dozens of people involved were to bait him in private conversations. Have you read any of the logs?

[quote name='Aimee Mann' date='06 June 2010 - 01:34 PM' timestamp='1275827653' post='2326202'] It's just plain pathetic to have these kind of threads. I don't care if the forum is dedicated for that purpose or not, and I don't care whether these types of threads are numerous in number or not. If you as a group single out and mock a member of the community behind their back, that is already plenty sad enough for me. [/quote] Now that's all fine. If you don't feel like having some laughs at the expense of someone who goes out of their way to amuse you, that's your own problem. That is not a thread made to mock tiberius behind his back though, we've even thought about giving him access to read it himself. Of course now that it's all public then who cares. We have not made any efforts to single him out. Someone made a thread and posted their own logs of tiberius and people had so, [b]SO[/b] many logs with hilarious material laying around that the thread started growing and have now reached 40 pages. It's a natural development, one shares their experience and everyone else piles their own on. The result is very entertaining.

[quote name='Aimee Mann' date='06 June 2010 - 01:21 PM' timestamp='1275826873' post='2326187'] You are contradicting yourself and it's making it difficult to find out what you are arguing for. Pick a line to use on this (either you have these type of threads in this private forum or you do not) and come back to me. [/quote] You are confused. Are you talking about threads or subforums? Think about it.

[quote name='Aimee Mann' date='06 June 2010 - 01:02 PM' timestamp='1275825706' post='2326172'] That's interesting, what exactly would you do if you wanted to come after someone? [/quote] Oh I dunno, how about actually attacking them or making ANY sort of effort to smear them? I'm pretty sure you can use your imagination. If we can be this [i]horrible[/i] towards someone who literally did nothing to us, imagine what we'd do to our [i]enemies[/i]. Note that MK has not gone public with this until tiberius made this thread. We have never attacked him in-game, most of us have been avoiding him entirely on IRC as well. Most of us would [b]never[/b] want to see him leave, as he is a [b]constant[/b] source of amusement. You don't even have to do anything, he just randomly queries you with a barrel of laughs!

I'd like to point out that coldfront any pretty much any other IRC network out there mask your hostmask/IP. What you see is not the actual hostmask or IP address of people, it's a virtual hostmask put in place to protect you. The more you know!

[quote name='Tiberius C Nero' date='06 June 2010 - 02:30 AM' timestamp='1275787822' post='2325496'] Oh stop Londo. It's not even funny. As for you Devo how can I provide actual logs of conversations that never took place. Your only trying to paint me as a NAZI and a hater because that's a [b]good solid CB[/b]. [/quote] Trust me, if we wanted to come after you there'd be a lot more than people posting the logs you create with them on a private board for the lulz. Don't let me keep you back though, there's a vast conspiracy in CN out to ruin your credibility and finally get that cause for war. We're coming to getcha!

Ahahaha. This is brilliant. Never change, tiberius, never change.

I am pro-death. So I'd wait until he could no longer perform and then turn him in.

You will pay dearly for this, banksy... No one exposes our tyrannical hegemony and gets away with it!

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='30 May 2010 - 09:05 AM' timestamp='1275206688' post='2316485'] Kryptonite sugar in his tea. I am presuming he drinks tea due to the bulging muscles and inherent homoerotic sexiness. [/quote] I'll suggest right now that we make double or say even triple sure. Pieces of broken kryptonite in his crumpets and dissolved kryptonite in his marmalade.

I dare say some crumpets with an orange marmalade spread would go over quite well with this tea. [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PrAvgW_UQiM/SfItSdz0lSI/AAAAAAAAEuE/Uu_g4ZY7JBE/s400/crumpets3.jpg[/img] Pip pip.

I'm glad to see you're still the only moralist alliance on planet bob.

[quote name='shilo' date='07 May 2010 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1273245270' post='2290260'] Your argument would have one bit of merit were I part of a third party just looking to take some cheap shots at alliances I dislike. There are numerous reasons though why it has not one bit of merit, among those is: -I am directly involved as my alliance is at war with the gRAMlins, smearing uninvolved parties doesn't help my situation one bit, at best it won't improve my situation -my goal is to get my alliance and my ally to peace quicker, not smear alliances I don't really care about [/quote] So you think you can accomplish this goal by claiming MK is the new hegemonic ruler of the world and is directly helping Grämlins in their unjust eternal war against you. In addition to a general anti-CnG smear campaign? Brilliant. You see the more you try to smear us, the less sympathy you get from CnG membership. Which at first, after signing peace, was actually there. After this attempt at a smear campaign gone horribly wrong, I doubt you'll find many sympathetic ears in CnG. Your actions in this thread has not only been detrimental to your chances of getting diplomatic help, it has also turned people who simply did not care directly against you. I know I'm one of those people. I didn't care one way or the other, but as you keep throwing wild unfounded accusations at us I find myself loathing you and your ilk more and more. I now hope that Grämlins miraculously manages to destroy you. Eradicate you. I hope their secret terms are disbandment following three years of tech farming. I now [b]wish[/b] we were just laying in wait to jump in and help Grämlins mop up if someone dared help.

[quote name='silentkiller' date='04 May 2010 - 11:07 AM' timestamp='1272967607' post='2286272'] Hey MK, might want to keep a tighter leash on your members [IMG]http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2822/captureph.png[/IMG] [/quote] Yes, he should be helping us win the amazing who aided grämlins race, not the competition!

I'm loving it.

So in this thread it has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt that [b]not a single alliance[/b] wants to help IRON/DAWN. It has also been established that these heinous crimes committed by C&G are complete falsehoods concocted by foreign powers in an attempt to ruin our good reputation. Very cute. And frankly I think that's all this "discussion" will ever amount to.

[quote name='shilo' date='02 May 2010 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1272815313' post='2283799'] Well, you backed Athens more than once when they had some old m, goon or fanlike side business of tech raiding alliances going, your current support of gRAMlins and threats of military intervention against outside help for us are among the "classics", incase you forgot about those.[/quote] I believe there was one case of it. I also know that we warned the world in general that anyone attacking Athens would still be going through us, as per usual. We also berated athens for doing so and effectively ended that practice faster and better than any amount of nuclear weapons from the peanut gallery would. I'm sorry we were a good enough deterrent from a curbstomp. Those are so much more benign than a tech raid after all. What is our current support of grämlins? Our ending the conflict, leaving them alone on the field, in agreement with your alliance? The massive amount of aid we are not sending them? The declarations of support we are not issuing? The fact that we are NOT holding any alliances under terms that would keep them from supporting you? Please direct me to these threats of military intervention that we have issued regarding outside help for you. [quote]The propaganda was in reference to the Karma war, I actually thought you guys wanted to change the way things work, not who is sitting on top doing the dirty work. If you need an announcement, go dig up those of your king from the Karma war, I really don't care to read the stuff again.[/quote] So because you thought we stood for something that we never said or stood for, you are disappointed that we did not cater to your wild speculations? I am so sorry, I will attempt to do as you imagine better in the future. Although you might want to let me know what goes on in your head, I'm finding it impossible to read your mind. I've been digging up the announcements from our dear old King. In the first karma annnouncement he states that "Many of you cheered for this war, wanted it to come, and are right now happier than ever before. In due time, you will regret this. All of us will regret this war, whether we wanted it or not." And goes on to say that Ordo Verde would not have to face the NPO and TORN alone. A lot of people are regretting the war, OV was not alone. Propaganda factual. In his second karma announcement he clarified the NPO logdump. He stated we would not impose draconian terms. Were they? You will get different answers based on who you ask, the definition of the word hinges on your moral basis and what you are comparing. Were they unusually severe or cruel in comparison to the then standard of decomissions, government bans, treaty cancelation and so forth? Really it's a claim that is impossible to verify objectively. In his third announcement, he made several statements. "Never, at any point, did Karma declare that her goal was to define the standards of surrender terms or to usher in an era of peace, happiness, and love. It did not do this because it quite simply cannot.". "To maintain that Karma will change the world in any way beyond weakening the member alliances of the Hegemony is to subscribe to a pipe dream." "To lay the onus of change on an indefinite, ephemeral construct is little more than a base propaganda game. It makes tactical sense, of course, as an effort to gather better surrender terms for one's alliance as well as a belated attempt to win a propaganda war." "It is not the duty nor the goal of Karma to change the world. It is the goal of Karma to win the war." "I thank you again for your time spent reading this piece, and if nothing else I hope it generates interesting thought and debate. I also hope that it encourages people to stop blindly arguing party lines, and to actually speak what they think." I believe those citations stand on their own. See when we get specific it looks like everything you're spouting just evaporates. [quote]The playbook is the practices of the "old Hegemony" by which you felt you have been so badly victimized and surpressed, which you complain about in most posts when people point out to you how you are currently doing the same stuff over again.[/quote] And what same stuff are we currently doing all over again? When have we justified our actions by pointing at the actions of the "old Hegemony"? Please be specific. [quote]I don't need to remain vague, and you cannot refute events that happened. You can try to spin them, ignore them, or just attempt to rewrite history. But thank you for worrying about my credibility, kind of you to do so, though to be honest, I am not really worried about it. [/quote] Yet you remain vague and have yet to bring up a single event that happened. You make some slightly less vague references to Athens doing \m/-like, GOONlike or FANlike things, which I in my arrogance just assume means the KoN affair. We all know how much those three loves to be naughty. I would try my hand at spinning, ignoring or just rewriting certain events, but you'd have to point to any first.

[quote name='shilo' date='02 May 2010 - 03:35 PM' timestamp='1272810921' post='2283748'] You have been exposed for quite a while now, the practices are well known. The error is with those very naive of us who infact believed your propaganda. You did nothing wrong, infact, you play the game very well, since the playbook has been written in detail already [/quote] What practices exactly? Please give me examples. Our white peace offers? Our extraction of reps from those who attack us with an unlikely "what if" reason for war? Our complete lack of draconic terms such as wonder and improvement decommission? What propaganda and how did it not match up to your expectations? I believe what has come out of our propaganda department has mostly been proven correct by history, or it has stated established fact. We usually brag about our godliness and make fun of our enemies. If you are talking about announcements, please provide specific examples and how we have failed to live up to them. Also please give me a short synopsis of this playbook. Or you could of course just refuse to answer and keep spouting that absolute nonsense. As long as you remain vague and never specify any practice I'm sure no one will ever be able to refute your empty claim. Though what little credibility you have left will probably fade away. [quote name='BlkAK47002' date='02 May 2010 - 03:53 PM' timestamp='1272812008' post='2283759'] I find it even more hilarious that they are sitting here gloating about it but, then they turn around and squeal about how Hegemony did it. [/quote] Do Something About It.©

[quote name='Alterego' date='02 May 2010 - 12:19 PM' timestamp='1272799163' post='2283694'] The devious nature of C&G & posse will not surprise the world again.[/quote] I bet it will, and I bet you'll be right there to expose our horrible practices to the world, again. As long as you're around there is no reason to fear. We will be exposed. Never change.

[quote name='wickedj' date='26 April 2010 - 10:51 PM' timestamp='1272322271' post='2276512'] Averages through AvT's post MHA: 4.078 GPA: 4.500 NPO: 5.643 NpO: 5.369 WTF: 3.913 Sparta: 4.446 VE: 6.427 TDO: 3.658 Fark: 6.213 MK: 6.775 ODN: 5.520 UPN: 4.206 FOK: 6.247 GATO: 6.366 Legion: 4.390 TOP: 5.706 RoK: 5.881 R&R: 5.407 TOOL: 5.156 RIA: 5.625 Umbrella: 6.667 PC: 5.075 CSN: 5.454 NV: 6.309 FAN: 6.152 IRON: 5.549 STA: 6.219 MCXA: 4.582 GLoF: 4.783 Athens: 4.968 NoR: 5.362 Int: 4.930 TFD: 5.032 LoSS: 4.718 NEW: 6.026 Gramlins: 3.011 GO: 4.271 NADC: 4.658 MASH: 4.219 TTK: 5.189 [/quote] I knew it would come around.

Nice rebuilding. Also too bad you didn't get a merger to boost you further but not everyone can be as awesome as MK, isn't that right alterego?

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='26 April 2010 - 01:09 PM' timestamp='1272287374' post='2275930'] In this thread: MK actively supports Grämlins and sends direct military aid to support their war. Classy move there, guys. Yes, this thread is unnecessary, but sending tech and donations to an alliance at war is explicit support for their agenda. [/quote] In this thread it is demonstrated that perhaps the most efficient means of protesting the grämlins-IRON war is [b]NOT[/b] to put on a sub-par parade around the OWF in the emperor's new clothes. Turns out people eventually get pissed at this ridiculous, falsified and loudmouthed parade getting in their way and drowning out all other sound. And since people are smart, they find ways to discourage this parade. Yes! As long as you will ridiculously go around supporting IRON, our guys will likely keep mocking you and handing out gifts to grämlins to spit in your faces. Let's all recall that [b]IRON was very much a part of the TOP plot to destroy our entire bloc[/b], excuse me if I can not find a shred of sympathy for these monsters. If it was up to me, none of these alliances would have seen peace yet. If you want it to stop, all you have to do is get smart.

Hey look, if I just send aid to a grämlins nation then ChairmanHal will make me famous!