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16) Constantly !@#$% on own members (including Teddyo) 17) Boot people that disagree with him from the alliance 18) Be a !@#$%nozzle 19) Hack CNers in other games 20) Have the same embarassing situation repeat itself 3 times (Sirius, Thriller, Olympus) 21) Makes the alliance die on a cross because there's no way out for him being rolled 22) Bigot 23) Abrasive

[url=http://www.cybernations.net/allNations_display_alliances.asp?Page=1&Order=DESC&Field=Nation_Peace&Alliance=AcTi]The flight to peacemode begins![/url]

[quote name='Teddyyo' timestamp='1311769546' post='2765145'] To me, Olympus deciding to declare before we disbanded/merged was a slap in the face to AcTi. I knew not, before they attacked, of their intentions, and frankly, it doesn't make a difference to me. I do know Batallion is retiring anyways. But I wasn't gonna let these guys make the end an embarrasing one. Here's to one last fight, o/AcTi [/quote] You probably haven't read the IRC logs of your leader then if you're saying Olympus "slapped you in the face". But then again, membership in Acti is based off ignorance and stupidity. I do love how you're acting like Batallion didn't light a fire on your ass to get the rest of the alliance to burn with him.

I knew some stupid announcement was going to be coming. I am not disappointed.

Guess he couldn't run to peacemode quick enough this time.

[quote name='Lukapaka' timestamp='1311738634' post='2764737'] NSO had to bolster their numbers somehow. Congrats on gaining some good fighters, I suppose. [/quote] We practice quality control. Not that Sparta would know what that is.

[quote name='the damned' timestamp='1311729889' post='2764570'] You know, its the smiley face that brings it all together. [/quote] No, it's the irony.

The thought of GOD attacking us is so frightening that I want to cry.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1311609345' post='2763430'] Joking aside, Oh for christssakes, it's a tech raid target turned nuclear rogue, get over it. The fact of the matter is that unaligned are not sovereign, individual nations are not (typically) sovereign. They are not even so much as permitted to keep their tech. It is only by forming and alliances that we gain sovereignty. The individual nation is essentially nothing. Consequentially, the unaligned have no rights, and any action against them by an aligned party is justified. Valhalla, though not my favorite alliance, have done nothing wrong. They used the tools at their disposal to deal with an unaligned nonperson who was asking for trouble. [/quote] be careful there, starting to sound like vladimir!

Let's not forget Lennox!

IT LIVES [img]http://www.liveforfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/they_live_3.jpg[/img]

I like this. Please do more interesting things for me to like you more.

Not Cairna D:

How many announcements have been made regarding your charter this year?

I for one have my views of Legion changed by this factless, half-width post by Legion's smallest pocket alliance.

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1309918953' post='2749935'] Well, if you want to make yourselves look like hypocrites that is fine by me. [/quote] Okay.. maybe the joke flew over your head... Even after I explained it to you.. ...just a day or two ago...

Now this man has a sense of humor, and knows how to respond to Varianz's joke. Good job!

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1309836641' post='2749063'] Every war does have its own justification to the one declaring it, just because other do not agree with it does not make it any less justifiable in the aggressor's eyes, merely makes the reasoning appear weak in comparison to the norm of what's deemed "acceptable." Certain people believe tech raiding is justified while others do not, does that mean that when someone raids it's not justified? [/quote] Right, justifications in our own eyes. Which is why, despite NSO not thinking Legion posting is CB-worthy, is not acting on it. And it'd be rather pointless for anyone to make the decision for us if it's a CB or not, isn't it? Last I checked, NSO fought on the side of karma to remove such ideas as censorship. And a raid is just what it is: a raid, and not a war. It's completely ridiculous for someone to argue that "I'm justified in rolling you for cash, money, land, ethnicity, your face looks funny, etc." with a straight face. It's even more ridiculous that I have to argue such a basic concept. It's irrelevant that it seems right in someone's mind: of course that would be the case, otherwise we'd never see one genocidal war. No one does anything thinking they're wrong. War for such shallow sentiments? Go on and tell me there's a shred of "reasoning" or "justification" behind that to constitute that as a CB. But it's quite obvious that there is a callous disregard and expedient rejection of its very definition, not to mention the disregard in how the term became popularized and by who. [quote name='Jaiar' timestamp='1309837069' post='2749072'] Do you believe in valid or invalid CBs? If you do then there is where you're not understanding what a CB is. There are no such things as vaild or invalid CBs. In this case of Legion accusing Varianz. That is the act or the CB that NSO could use if it wanted to go to war. It cannot be argued to be valid or invalid. You have a CB. You won't use it though will you. [/quote] I love how we're rewriting the definition of a word for convenience's sake. You're picking the wrong position. Rather than trying to whip-up a CB that NSO has on Legion out of your ass to make us seem like the cowards and not them, Legion should work on not being cowards themselves to begin with. This whole "okay by association" idea isn't working out, so stop ruffling their hair. The argument here is silly just on a literal interpretation of definitions. Let's think here: a CB cannot be argued valid or invalid. Where were you during the last war for that charming sentiment? Legion has a CB, but they won't use it will they? At this point this is a desperate straw hunt, and I'd have to redirect you to what I've said previously with Mr. Celestial. [quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1309838986' post='2749094'] If you have a CB against Legion, then go for it and stop biqouring. [/quote] ...And it comes out of the woodwork once some opposition develops! Point me to it darling. I'm still waiting on that rebuttal.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1309836150' post='2749052'] Or actually knowing the definition of a phrase. Dictionaries are good. [/quote] Let's look it up Webster. an event used to justify starting a war wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn Casus belli is a Latin expression meaning the justification for acts of war. Casus means "incident", "rupture" or indeed "case", while belli means "of war". ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casus_belli An act seen as justifying or causing a war en.wiktionary.org/wiki/casus_belli Case or incident of war. Often misspelt as causus belli and believed to mean “cause of war.” This is not correct. listverse.com/2007/10/02/30-latin-terms-explained/ (Optional) A brief summary of the war reason. feudalism.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_alliance_war casus belli — n , pl casus belli 1. an event or act used to justify a war 2. the immediate cause of a quarrel Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition By your logic, every war has a justification, and that thought makes me laugh, Mr. Celestial Being.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1309832974' post='2748990'] Yes, you do. [/quote] I'll excuse a Viridian for not knowing what a CB is.

[quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1309830197' post='2748949'] Fascinating since tech raiding is a common and widely used practice. Also yes I agree with you in the sense of how NSO acted when being spied as that is the same course of action I would take until I had hard evidence. Legion can follow any course of action it feels like though even if it leads to a negative outcome. I think you fail to see while I disagree with what actions NSO has followed, does not mean I automatically agree with the actions of Legion and their accusations with what is seems very very weak evidence. [/quote] Haha, so I have a CB on you if I wanted some cash? Probably would turn out just as profitable to me as a techraid would, and those I only support because it would be terrible if people were not driven into joining alliances. And if it wasn't profitable, a reason for war even loses its worth by a completely shortsighted logical standpoint. As for the rest of your stance, that's acceptable with me. edit: [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1309830403' post='2748953'] I don't know this man you are talking about, is his gov in some alliance? [/quote] No, he's part of a prevalent CN fairy tale that I'm sure most CNers would know.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1309829712' post='2748940'] Nonetheless you condone, applaud and help to divulge spying when they are done by others. [/quote] Haha, yes, in the same sense that any news station that reports what Julian Assange uncovers are dastardly criminals as well.

[quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1309829286' post='2748934'] I like to take my time CB's are the reasoning of going to war, you have quite a few against Legion to use if you are willing. (especially the latest one of claiming a NSO member spied) Why not press the big red button yourself if so keen for a conflict? I assume nothing, as it's dangerous and can lead to errors of judgement, I believe I never claimed that I assumed NSO actually did the spying. If he feels like he does not want to read what I wrote then he is free to leave this thread and not continue to read it. While he may have some right to tell me to stop it, there is more right in me claiming my freedom to say whatever I damn well say. I don't need to find contradictions when there is many so available especially with NSO trying to annoy Legion to the point of declaration, yet seem hesitant in doing the same thing when a member of NSO government is accused of something that a lot of people seem worthy of open conflict. [/quote] CBs are reasons for war? Did you even think that through? If I wanted resources, money, or land, it does not justify invading a country simply for those reasons. And a CB is just that: a justification. Do you seriously think we could justify hitting Legion out of the blue because they're saying things we don't like? As for the spying, yes NSO has been spied multiple times these past couple days, but we're not throwing a hissyfit over it and we aren't randomly accusing people of doing it [i]because we don't have proof[/i](except Damsky in good fun). If Legion would follow our example, it would be to their benefit. And no !@#$ you can say what you want. Apparently that only applies to you, and he in contrast has to leave the thread instead of say what he feels. For someone that finds so many contradictions, I have seen zero that were actually true.

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1309828404' post='2748918'] This is not English Class. Your response to his argument is that he has grammatical errors... In your own words "Do something about it." [/quote] And this is not a gymnastics class where you compete to see whose most adept at avoiding arguments that punch gaping holes into yours. [quote name='berbers' timestamp='1309828539' post='2748921'] It's worse than murder, it's at least two murders if we are comparing heinous acts. [/quote] Well, I smiled

[quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1309827865' post='2748907'] Spineless coward, hmm considering its coming from a alliance sitting back claiming their hatred for Legion, yet don't actually move against them. I have come up agaisnt enemy and made the first move, so who is the real spineless coward? If NSO does not care about public appearance, then why are you hear posting comment after comment and continuing this brinkmanship with Legion, if you had no care for PR then why not just straight out attack Legion? Telling me to shut up is trying to pressure someone into censoring what they say, therefor basic denial of freedom of speech. [/quote] Bout time. You took your sweet time writing. Apparently in your book, attacking an alliance without a casus belli is how to prove bravery. If they think they have one, they can come at us. I guess courage and stupidity are synonyms in your book. As for NSO, we post because we have the joy of talking to misinformed people such as yourself, who rely on their assumptions rather than reality. PR? Really? I think you're over-analyzing a really simple situation. As for telling someone to shut up, I don't see how anyone would see that as a problem; he simply doesn't want to hear the garbage you spew from your mouth, and he's in his right to say so. You're desperately trying to make a simple "shut up" the equivalent of a human rights infringement. And why? Because that's completely the only way you're able to argue. The only thing you're doing here is trying to find a contradiction, one that doesn't exist in reality, but one you desperately want to see for yourself. Just look at your previous post. All three lines were attempts to make us appear contradictory. EDIT: [quote] Also considering NSO is asking for a apology, what happens if you don't get it? You going to "do something about it"? [/quote] Considering an apology was the basis for us to do what Legion wanted (encourage our members to stop posting other people's spy reports and making fun of Legion), I'd say we're probably either going to keep making fun of them, or lose interest now.