SpacingOutMan

No, PLEASE no more PM !@#$%*ing and moaning. Holy Admin.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1340561639' post='2994608'] It was downgraded from a MADP to MDoAP, I imagine Hal's behind the times. [/quote] Ah fair enough. I thought I missed something big. X_X

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1340561382' post='2994603'] TBH, only way GOD makes a war of it would to call in a certain MADP partner, and I don't see that happening. Too bad, it would make things a whole lot more interesting. [/quote] VE is only an MDoAP? Or did I just derp really hard and miss someone important? D:

Knew about this a few days ago and to be honest, I don't mind. We are out of range of MK's upper tier and GOONS has a larger lower tier. Let's make this a fun one GOONS (and Sard).

[quote name='Enamel32' timestamp='1340508130' post='2994003'] Meh, bring it IRON. It's unfortunate you guys are playing this way, though. [/quote] I believe you were looking for TOP in this scenario. Or ODN (but that's in a few moments).

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1340466281' post='2993591'] My goodness you seem angry. Well I suppose that settles that. [/quote] Agreed. Now can we let yet another call-out thread die?

[quote name='Icewolf' timestamp='1340463520' post='2993566'] At the moment I think there needs to be a new question. To what extent do people believe that there is currently an implied "don't act stupid" term in all treaties? [/quote] They became implied the moment they became the most convenient.

hahaha GOONS backed off and sent [i]you[/i] in their place. A brave new world indeed. That is, of course, unless GOONS has other plans. Then I'll eat my words like any smart man.

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1340414960' post='2993081'] Your the one that's never on dammit! [/quote] [i]That[/i] is besides the point.

I was about to get quite sad that I didn't get a mention. Good luck in real life mate and don't be a stranger on IRC. We have been through a lot over the past few years. Cheers bro, enjoy the real world!

Good luck out there folks! Sarm

[quote name='sir pwnage' timestamp='1340387907' post='2992812'] The idea that one person can represent INT is one that we frequently have to address. Being government in many alliances gets you two things: More power and more responsibility. Being gov in INT just gets you responsibility. All that VL's position as LiaCom means is that he has to maintain our relations with other alliances. The only body that can speak for The International is Congress. Generally, Congress's decision will be posted here by the GenCom. VL's a great guy to talk to, but his word (and mine and Trotsky's and Craig's etc. etc.) is not always cannon. [/quote] Ah alright, thanks for the clarification, I'll keep that in mind from now on! As a formerly democratic alliance, that makes sense (except we had a Senate instead of a Congress, but same difference) and is agreeable, at least from what I can tell.

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1340387873' post='2992811'] SF members, of course, being experts on boot licking. [/quote] Xiphosis steps in pretty tasty gum, so we can't help ourselves.

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1340384506' post='2992766'] I would be happy for XX/SF to prove me wrong, in fact I would be estatic. I want to fight this war, but currently there's nothing going on because you're all in peace mode. [/quote] Yet RnR has more offensive wars alone between GATO vs. RnR [i]on top of[/i] being at war with MK and the three or four wars declared by TLR. It would seem to me that the onus of "doing something" is still on GATO, especially since [i]it's[/i] the one being the aggressor. EDIT For clarification, by aggressor I mean the one who declared war, not the one who started the conflict itself.

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1340380311' post='2992734'] The Dense part was you falling bait into my post. Strategy is not running away from a war that you were getting chased down in. That's called being a coward. [b]Strategy is putting alliances in positions of DoW'ing so that specific chains can be brought in after they are attacked.[/b] (Hint: Look at why RnR went after MK this war, it's because they are the best connected to XX and SF, two blocs that have many ties going our elsewhere.) It's quite shocking that you wouldn't understand this concept, but not really. [/quote] Bravo on addressing the point I mentioned, bravo. Likewise, you have quite the obtuse understanding of the word "strategy". strat·e·gy/ˈstratəjē/ Noun: A plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim. The art of planning and directing overall military operations and movements in a war or battle. I didn't realize that preemption/immediately entering a war were the [i]only[/i] two viable strategies in CN (protip: they're not).

[quote name='sir pwnage' timestamp='1340375815' post='2992700'] Anybody who thinks that a statement from VL is representative of the way INT feels as a whole is an idiot. He is, not always but frequently, on his own side within INT. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm just saying, if you want the real opinion of INT, a vote by either Congress or the War Council has to happen. Now, I'm going to give this it's own line so that we're all very clear: [/quote] So either your wiki is outdated or you don't consider your head of foreign affairs relevant? It's been a fairly long-standing standard that the opinions spouted by government on the OWF is, without a disclaimer, the opinion of the alliance, gaffes or not. All the same, I don't know your government structure so I was under the impression that VL was Int government.

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1340335108' post='2992364'] The reason for the pre-empts [i]was[/i] because SF and XX refused to defend their allies and bloc mates when they knew they were going to get rolled. Now it just happens because no one feels like waiting for SF/XX to take their sweet time. [/quote] So where does that put Int? GOONS, Umb, ODN, TOP, Alchemy, NOR, and NG in their counters on RnR/Invicta (and soon-to-be Sparta/NATO)? Don't be that dense; it's called strategy and your side is using it just as much as ours.

Congratulations on an amazing milestone!

Probably to differentiate between the fronts (LSF-NOR, MK-CSN, Umb-Fark, NG-RIA).

[quote name='o ya baby' timestamp='1340312134' post='2992088'] there isn't a way to take down any of MK sorry to be the bearer of good news [/quote] Well I mean, you are more then welcome to join our side. The side with o ya baby is generally the side of victory. Jus' sayin'.

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1340289760' post='2991819'] So much these words. I'll never understand how the people in INT have the fortitude to deal with all the !@#$ they've been given and still have time to deal with people like just about all of TLR's government running their mouth on us. [/quote] In INT's defense, guys like VL have asked people from GATO and what not to stop (to some degree).

[quote name='jekalle' timestamp='1340295202' post='2991885'] If not the best part of RoK, SOM. [/quote] Actually that is quite a good point so I'll make the appropriate addendum: AvT, you definitely represented the best of ROK, even despite the differences and quarrels we had in-game and OOCly, you always kept an even and clear head. For that I am truly grateful to have gotten to know you and talk to you over the last few years.

Cheers man. I always liked you and thought you to be the better part of ROK. Good luck with your endeavors!

Go get some Sparta!

Go get some NATO!