Brehon

Could just keep it simple and call it what it is. Equilibrium and DoomHouse Coalition. Why DoomHouse Coalition? Because CnG, TOP and everyone else on their side came in to defend Umbrella or DH. Its just simply logic.

Read your opening post. I mean I read it and I saw it as giant middle finger to get attention. Our members here don't know you. I invite you to try again.

Calif I agree with about 90% of what you said and agree 100% with the greatest rivalries you listed, but I would add NpO and NPO to it. But I HAVE to make a correction: While you mentioned the reps MK paid, you never made mention of the largest CN reps in history, paid by NPO. Additionally I will without a shadow of a doubt tell you MK had NOTHING to do with this war. Your alliance is the cause. We swung without a doubt, but Umbrella is the cause.

For one thread can we stop the bs? Just one?

Nah Yev and I get along well... this was a good jab :)

It is the first. Now others that had that as an argument can let it go.

Happy Birthday my Sith Brothers and Sisters o/

I got news for you, Pacifica is not in command of that military front nor the diplomatic front, in the end we don't need to be. We are there yes. Commanding it no.

Many eyes. I will also trust more eyes of the coalition looking at a situation to watch for schenanigans(sp)

First of all, I don't "allow" anyone anything. That isn't my place or authority. Secondly I have ZERO issue with Ai there. My point remains they should have been there and I fully believe if they aren't you lot will try to pull some bs move. I wasn't disappointed there at all. My coalition mates have done a great job on that front, period. Attempts to sow discontent there is a sign of absolute weakness. But again that is exactly why I don't trust TOP at all.

I trust those fighting TOP, I don't trust TOP. Very very important clarification there.

You are objecting to it here Yev (you being TOP) with all the drivel about me having to be on the talks. I am replying stating I want Ai there. TOP launched an attack its about me, an ego or whatever else you have come up with and I have given my response. But this is what TOP does at this point. They try to make a point into an issue, then when they are countered or answered, they attempt to switch it around as if the situation is different. (thank you Bob for providing another direct and perfect example of what I just explained /bravo sir) Peace talks where had. Ai was not represented. I gave Voodoo a courtesy as the alliance leader the Coalition leadership had to be represented/Ai had to be represented. That is the long and short of that part. To make it into something more is simply political propaganda. Now NPO was approached to cover war slots. NPO agreed. Due to complaints, my distrust of TOP and a desire to cull the complaining of no DoW, I issued a DOW. Out of courtesy again to Voodoo, I gave him a heads up because I was pretty sure one of my guys would jump (seems I was late there). DoW is posted. Twist and contort which is the common act of this war, but those are the events that happened.

Wanting to make sure there was someone there to represent Ai considering you DoW'd on them... OMG how dare I. I wanted to make sure Coalition leadership was there... OMG how dare I. Keep buying into your propaganda /boggle.

Lets at least attempt to get the timeline right Why are you so afraid of who is in peace talks? Torpedoed peace talks? Good lord what is wrong with you people.

Oh yes link my recent reroll nation. lol Was that supposed to hurt my feelings? Demoralize? My god LOL Cent... you gotta try harder. But that's fine. I understand the reason and the need to sell it that way. Its all good. Pacifica got into this war because we were asked to cover slots. Me giving Voodoo a heads up and letting him know a member of Coalition leadership needed to be there =/= Pacifica had to be there. Fact is talks were made without Ai there. Pacifica didn't need to be there directly but a member of the coalition leadership and CERTAINLY the alliance you declared on needed to be there. Are you all ever going to stop trying to give legs to old propaganda?

Slot coverage needed, NPO is called in suddenly equals "Pappa NPO" etc. You really must try harder. TOP tries to talk peace without letting its coalition know and NPO is to blame. When did you all turn into criers? That was one thing I always respected about TOP you didn't descend into victim crying. I guess that has changed? You will get your hit don't you worry.

Oh you peaced with Ai? Please direct me to that, I seem to have missed it.

Declaration of War on TOP The New Pacific Order declares itself formally at war with The Order of the Paradox, as per "I'm a Real Treaty Accords", in defense of Ai and in support of the Equilibrium Coalition. Keep enjoying the war and have fun all. Brehon, Emperor of the New Pacific Order Sword of the Order

JoshuaR said: Let me twist what Natan said and make it about during the peace process, forgetting it was AFTER the NS was given up. JoshuaR said: Its okay we went against our word in a coalition because we are not allies with Pacifica. JoshuaR said: Its okay we aided AGAINST our coalition against NG and NPO because the act itself is only valued on the amount of aid. JoshuaR said: I will ignore when Brehon said he showed his ass and I only look to justify Umbrella retallitory actions in response as if Brehon didn't already say it was "in kind". JoshuaR said: Its okay that Umbrella enforced its internal policy for the world to accept. No one else can do that, hell I will ignore history and the political landscape that is easier than saying we screwed up. None of that matters, we are Umbrella and make the rules, forget we handed you a CB in what will go down as a great political blunder. Your post is the kind of drivel spin Umbrella has been politically pushing, at this point, for years. You twist and contort the facts, omit little pieces to adjust the lighting and then get defiant against anyone who "dares" to challenge your bs. You know when my kids were little, and I am talking preteen here, they tried the same thing. It didn't work for them and its not going to work for you. Unlike the general people you argue with normally on here, I am the guy that lived through and even gave up my own faults in it without reservation. For once if Umbrella was accountable and responsible I think the collective world would pass out in shock.

Whatcha all talking about tonight?

Caliph I never said we didn't have our part, at all, you need to reread. This war is based on the actions of Umbrella, NPO and all parties involved. To act as if you didn't (which is what YOU have been posting) is why I posted that. Absolutely NO WHERE did I say it was all 100% umbrellas fault.

o/ Forward TIO Stagger, going to miss you brotha. Scorp there have been good times o/

Honestly that is impressive work. Thank you for putting in the time to do that. I still grumble every time I see the map of this.

Tronix, we have come a long way since NPO and Valhalla weren't friendly. I am glad and proud of what we have achieved together. Your blunt and true talk has always been appreciated by the NPO. Your leadership in Ai was an asset to all of us who know you and work with you. For all of that, thank you. Fuck your retirement :) Have a blast my friend! o/ Pansy, a long time friend of the NPO and certainly to me. Simpy put, I am 100% happy, excited and worried for the sheep, that you are one of Ai's triums. I look forward to the future Pansy o/ o/ Tronix o/ Pansy o/ Ai

What a load of happy horse shit. Lets look at a timeline shall we and in doing so we can take a look at the "why the war". In DH/NPO peace talks, Umbrella lets the NPO know via Natan we have not lost enough. Instead of MK pulling out matching NS from peace mode, for peace NPO has to offer up its highest teir to Umbrella high teir nations all declaring down. I tell Roq, MK gov and Sardonic there are no hardfeelings, well played and we go our way. Rog tells me he doesn't believe it, but we move forward. Roq gets on my show (this is post leaving Umbrella), I show my ass, Roq is embarrassed on the show, Umbrella and friends of Roq are pissed to high heaven. DH in one form or another tried to sell Valhalla was gunning for NPOsphere not realizing NPO, Olympus and Valhalla had been talking for MONTHS so we were sharing with one another what was being said. DH in one form or another stated they wanted a piece of Ai, even before it was finalized stating it was being done as an aggressive move against DH. Fact was, once again we were all talking and knew exactly why Ai was going to be formed. The fact of it was a combination of activity and internal need between the three. The project was in planning for MONTHS before DH decided to lob insults. DH tried to sell Ai wanted to fight CnG Word got out people in MK felt NPO was their greatest threat. DH asked NPO to go aggressive on targets (viewed as us doing lifting for them), we only agree to defend our allies. NPO DOS forces our allies to a side. DH internally breaks the deal to absorb NPO's ally NATO and privately asks Umbrella to hit a few of their largest targets. NPOsphere sans Ai (because Ai wanted no part of that crap war) take out GOD and VE due to attacks on NG by GOD. Umbrella aids targets fighting against NPO and NG, aka the other side of the war in which we were on the same side. TOP immediately after Dave war, whether it was gov or just people, attempted to sow discontent between Ai and her allies, specifically NPO. Umbrella taps Natan as their new leader who runs a platform of mending relations with NPO. NPO (aka I) flip my shit with Umbrella for tapping one of the most anti NPO people in Umbrella as leader, the same guy months prior who said we needed to lose more. Umbrella members respond accordingly. Several attempts are made by NPO (to include myself personally) to settle issues with Umbrella. None of them worked. Umbrella members attempted to calm the issues. None of that worked. Various issues back and forth between Umbrella and NPO, all minor. I notify my allies who are attached to DH I have had enough to the point maybe we should reconsider our treaties. In the end we all decide we would rather be treatied (my Umbrella concerns were known loud and often). DH breaks out old propaganda against Hegemony emotions. DH breaks out old members to put pressure on various allies to cover the growing distrust of Umbrella derp actions in order to hold treaties together which are seeing tension reach new levels. Tensions on the OWF mount as people start talking about a winter war (some of this was before I notified my allies, some after) and the "come at me bro", "do something about it", "you don't have the balls to attack" and etc etc etc start between the obvious two sides. Natan and I talk, both admit if given the chance we would punch each other in the face but agree it wouldn't benefit our mutual allies. Specifically Natan asks me to stop going all anti Umbrella on the air, I agree (and did stop). Issues with Puppets. Umbrella half ass tries to play politics about how they are doing more damage to him, avoiding the actual issue, tries to push their internal policy as one the world should accept and ONLY when it was clear Ai and friends have had enough does Natan decide to show up. That conversation is so dismissive we all shake our heads and realize Umbrella is going to keep playing this game of "okay we did this, but its isn't that bad" Yes, you are correct only in the detail we have always held a contingency plan of being attacked. That contingency plan was initially talked about at very private levels between NPO, Olympus and friends once it was clear Umbrella wanted more. This effort continued to grow as aggressive moves were made/said about Ai. It grew more once Natan was made leader of Umbrella. Any alliance who says they do not have contingencies for enemies is a liar flat out. The only reason Umbrella didn't have a military contingency to NPO and others (do not deny the Umbrella political games its insulting) is because we lack any form of high end tier. Did Ai, IRON, NPO, NATO, TIO all attack Umbrella? Yes. Were we aggressive in that we declared that war? Without doubt. Was it a random act of "because we want to"? Absolutely not, this is, was, will remain a measured response to a chain of events Umbrella could have handled better (sure we could have too) any step of the way. To say otherwise is again, a complete line of bullshit. You poked, you prodded in little steps over and over again. You took on the perceptional facade of you couldn't be touched and made the fatal mistake other powers have made in the past, you believed your own bs. You are a victim here; a victim of your own actions. Do not hide the reasons for the war, we all have lived it. I understand the need to attempt to paint a picture so you can mend political fallout, but you can all stop now. I for one would be more understanding if you just admitted you screwed up and abused issues. At least from there we can move forward. And for the love of Bob stop with the old Hegemony crap. I am pretty sick to death of you actually trying to pass off some oppression level propaganda about how you are going to be charged reps, how we all want to push all of CN under our boot. I want you all to try something you haven't had to do in years... talk to people you don't like as equals, you would be surprised what you learn. Finally stop trying to sell to your allies what NPO is going to do, if you want to know about something, ask me, stop being little school children trying to spin stories of what "could" happen. To date I have done EXACTLY what I have said I would do. Put on your big boy pants and talk face to face.