Brehon

o/ to our Sith Brothers and Sisters. It is good we are once again united. o/ There is only Order o/

k... Good luck o/

"Umbrella Coalition" was requested by your side as I refused to do "Competence" & was told "DH Coalition" was inaccurate.

Best to you Umbrella and your new gov o/

Those of you running your mouths and basically spitting on this document and any talks of "strategic victory" or any of that mess needs to be ashamed of themselves. Not a single one of you has room to talk about anything as you peanut gallery run your mouths. RV: Stop being an idiot when you post. NPO doesn't care and hasn't cared about you, move along and cut out the crap. I am now using the Emperor's retreat and I will see you all when my CN vacation is over. o/

A few things: Wars should all be peaced and ended by 3/27 3/28 update. This war has made strange bed fellows and in many ways it was worth the learning we had of one another, good or bad, they all had benefits. Maybe now we as a community can have our wars, end our wars and move on. Lets make the wars smaller okay? ;) Raken, was a pleasure to work with you. I think we both made it simple when we didn't "have" to. Let that be a sign for all of us. Those I fought, my apologies. Real life kept me 99% of the unable to be on for update. I am sorry there wasn't a real fight with my nation. Let us all rebuild o/

I have to say, I have no issue with the treaty or the alliances. I am however personally bothered by the use of the 101st Logo butchered to a new name. ~Brehon 13F - 3/320 Field Artillery, retired 101st Airborne Division AirAssault

Good lord folks; I want to make two things very clear. 1. Sparta was not aware peace was that close. When I first sat down with Raken I wasn't sure how it would go. Due to a couple of questions that came up, I was at best by the end of that night 50/50. Due to discussion on the EQ side about terms, I at no time believed we were any closer than 40% for ending it or finding peace. 2. NG is of course my ally, but for crying out loud its war. If everyone felt we were so close to peace why was MHA hit? No I have no feelings for MHA at all, but pot and kettle. Clearly then NG didn't know when they hit MHA and clearly Sparta didn't know when they hit NG. And frankly Sparta would have been called out if they DIDN'T defend MHA. Stop looking for shit to argue about and stop by all that is holy finding a reason to bitched about someone doing exactly what the "other side" does. So seriously if you want to be pissed, hit me up I am around, but at least put the blame where it belongs.

If laying out what happened is blustering, I am guilty. You have said I was underhanded, yet our ally has said I was not. Is there a reason you are trying to go this route? What are you really pissed about? So now you want to jump over to Ai and start pointing a finger. The justification for this war in really simple terms is a continual breakdown of any form of relationship and/or political pro-activity, taunting and Umbrella handing a CB during a time of at the very best tumultuous relations across political borders. If you wish to stay under the bridge and throw things, get a better line and base for your bs.

Run propaganda run. TLR told us very clearly they were with MK. Specifically they held responsibility equal to MK for the past. Additionally they owed a debt for that past. I never said otherwise, its a simple well known. If your point is only that you wanted them on your side, well duh. Its called FA and TLR was the VERY FIRST to extend us a hand a few years back. There was never this perceived get them on our side. Would it have been nice? Absolutely. But unless Umbrella attacked that wasn't going to happen. Again a HUGE well known and the very core reason why Umbrella had to make sure everyone saw this as "they attacked us". So you can stop now. Your idea of things having to shake out and WOW CnG appeared on "your side" is yet again nothing but peanut gallery bs. Never was there a victim card used in the DOW, we told you why we were doing it, end of story. You can try to paint Ai anyway you want, but the simple fact is Ai has NEVER played the victim, that dog just isn't going to hunt anywhere but in attempts at propaganda. Does it hurt Rush just killed your whole base of argument against me? You are so silly WC :) If you feel judged by my comments, that on you. I was stating what happened. Swing and a miss again WC.

Additionally other then general OWF peanut gallery, our side, my allies like Ai, IRON, TIO, NATO etc... all know we declared war and physically aggressed. Their issue (and mine) is it wasn't out of the clear blue. You handed us a CB after incidents of needling (and that needling wasn't one way). Our biggest issue; you aren't a victim, stop acting like one.

See this is where you should be more in touch and not buy off on rhetoric from each side. Don't take my word for it, ask NG and CnG what I have had to say. Did I ask them where they would go? Yes. Did I ask them to help Pacifica specifically? Yes. Did I go to them and say "This is not getting any better should we just cancel these treaties so you aren't in conflict?" Yes. Do I have a problem with MK? No. Do I have a problem with GOONS? No. Do I have a problem with Umbrella? Yes. All facts I OPENLY told my allies from the get go. Ask them yourselves, let them call me out right here if I have said anything untrue in this post. Ask them yourself if I didn't specifically and directly tell them what was going on from day one AND when I was going to withdraw THEY told me no. Then once you are done with that, you can eat the crow you are speaking. As for owing anything... again talk to your allies. I have specifically and exactly told them this: You owe NPO nothing. Real allies don't work that way. After all how can you have a debt if there is equality. That is something you need to learn and frankly its something DH needs to learn. Good try on the rhetoric and spin. You went after the wrong alliance and the wrong alliance leader. Those words will strike hard and true much much much closer to your home WC.

Care to elaborate?

I'm game. Count me in.

Caliph; Woah there big boy. I have zero problem saying/taking/admitting my responsibility. I have done so directly in talking with you, with all my allies, my enemies, on the OWF and on the radio etc. What I posted was not all exclusive, was merely me pointing out the little dance and its inclusion in the end result. Slow the propaganda slow the OMG bs. I am not part of the peanut gallery. I certainly and directly have heavy hands in making this happen and frankly I am happy about it. Very happy about it. I got what I wanted, I got what I warned you would happen. I have never denied this. The amount was never the issue Caliph. The sheer fact you keep trying to downplay it shows you have not come to terms with the shit you guys have pulled, but more importantly the giant middle finger you kept giving.

This is just for fun or are we talking about actually revamping alliances here? Sorry Myth I didn't read your post and considering what usually follows them I didn't want to read through another shit fest.

Rush I wasn't try to imply that changing of the rules was on your shoulders, my bad for that. A key point was just hit on in regards to DH/DR. One of the reasons I believe Umbrella didn't attack and just needled and needled is because they knew if they did they lost CnG and NG. So instead they needled, acted like they did nothing wrong, brushed it off, complained people were being mean and did a lot of "its just not a big deal" just so CnG and NG in the end would buy off on them not being "so bad". Simple terms, they played CnG and NG/had their MK/GOONS allies play CnG/NG or a combination of both. I warned of exactly this scenario over 6 months ago. What happened as soon as the DOW was up... THEY ARE THE AGGRESSORS! (at Ai, NPO, IRON). Well no shit, it was the exact and proper counter action to the acts and issues previously built up. It all would have stayed a general gnashing of teeth had a CB (not even debating its value) not been handed over. Again as I said months ago, they only reason they didn't attack and continued to taunt is because they KNEW they could play that "omg victim of attack" card. Mind you I am not mad it was played, I simply find it so disappointing no one will be honest about these things.

Rush you are my friend. We have gone back and forth over issues and while I am not willing to go into the posts here I do have 1 very keen issue with something you said: You specifically told me to ignore it when it wasn't someone in gov. If that is the case why aren't/weren't/didn't you do the same. The goose vs the gander is part of the problems we have in CN. Everyone is happy to change rules when it benefits them.

Why? Why did we need yet another thread of data and statistics when every single person knows 1 simple fact of about statistics: They can be skewed to show whatever you want. Aka threads like this serve 1 purpose: todays sorry excuse for propaganda. No one cares everyone just wants to find SOMETHING to show they are right. Next time, just "do" right. And alas let the attacks begin as I opened the door.

That is a lie, the first volley against Ai was fired by DH before they were officially Ai and continued to, through and beyond that forming. The response was "they aren't gov it doesn't count".

If you all have something to say about reps, make a new thread and it can be debated. No reason to try and be cute here in this thread.

Why was it so many on Umbrella? Its a matter of tier coverage. Ai didn't have it alone so we had to put together an attempt of a proper tier coverage. Add in the rest of Doomhouse (there was no way DH wasn't going to respond considering they have for years now used the "attack on one is an attack on all) and everyone was basically ready. Lots of hate, lots of NS. Everyone knew Umbrella had the perceived untouchable mega nations. Everyone knew they would use every resource to protect it (who woudln't). Just as they knew the mid and low belonged to us, hence PM used by both sides for necessary advantages. Caliph you are still wrong about the NPO's reasons even tho I have been very upfront about it.

Whether the implication is intentional or not, the time from peace to having 3 defensive slots filled was 6 minutes. Could that have not been coordinated, sure. Not likely but sure I will give that. Had Umbrella gov gave a damn about the potential political and war ramifications talks would have been attempted (proper talks). Both wanted, both got, we move on. Isn't everyone done being obtuse of the details?

Happy Birthday Deinos