Kewlleo

VE are sell outs and suck ups.. that is all.

No not this again. How many times will we have go through these spam fights add nausea, or listen to some blow hard wanna be a crusader touting the justice of his cause, before we all just come to the realization that in fact there is no such thing as cultural or societal ethics in this world anymore, and I do mean that in the broadest sense of the word. And while ethics and values will always exist on a personal level, you will not find them in the culture at large, so you might as well save your breath with railing accusations and rampant appeals "To Our Hearts" because its quite clear we really don't have one, at least not in the combined sense. What we do have is a sense of politics and self interest. Thats our sole cultural heart, and by it we guide our every move. Even those that would make a cry for the "good of our world" do so only in the interest of furthering their own positions, with those they oppose of course defending theirs, and any true merit of the cry falling on deaf ears, because we do not have ears to hear ethically speaking. With this in mind, If you wanna change the world I would suggest you do so by making those involved understand why it is in their best interest to do so, and in the meantime just keep your personal ethics to yourself, which of course is the only place they will find merit.

I'd have to say CmdrChobo A man loved, respected, and even trusted by virtually anyone that knew ever knew him, be they friend or foe.

It is said that the criminal always returns to the scene of the crime, for what its worth welcome back chaotic one.

Well speaking for myself. I don't assume a character for games sake, because I have character already. So I am basically the same here as I am in real life. And therefore the truth is, if I tell you something here, I seriously mean it.

When the same people that you heard whining and complaining for months on end, because there was no war, Are now heard whimpering and crying because theres is no peace.

This war can still go either way, yes TOP and IRONS still in over their heads, but more happened or rather didn't happen (that still probably will) yesterday than anyone here knowns about. Besides if you look at the number of NpO in peace mode, I do believe that they are still considering getting in this thing again as well.

When it looks like it, feels like it, tastes like it, you call it what it is.

This was a trap from the start. The whole intent was to bait the situation long enough to get TOP and IRON out on limb, and fully declared. Now that thats happened, the rest of the wars will get white peace for the most part (except those who are particularly unloved) , so C&G and quite possibly super friends to can focus and take them down. They were only able to do this though, because they knew that TOP would wanna play the chess game behinds the scenes, without really committing. They also figured that by presenting a C&G in conflict and disarray due to endless treaty conflicts, and difference of opinion. That it would probably prove to be to tantalizing a target for them to pass up. So they bit, only to find out that what they bit into, wasn't really what they thought it was at all. Now they are pretty much isolated, most of the help they might get, will either be conflicted by conditions for peace or to tired from fighting already, and they are pretty much hung out to dry. Were they they wrong for striking, morally speaking yes. Do they deserve to get taken down, probably as much as i hate to say it. They lived by the sword, and shall now die by it. A game well played, but thats the problem isn't it, its all play now, there is no real meaning and purpose anymore, no valid CB'S or crusades to fight, no good or evil to oppose. Back and forth it goes one faction takes power from the supposed evil we face, only to be removed by the next when they have allegedly gone to far, and none being better than the one's they purportedly save us from. Just games, the people playing, and the people playing us all.

Well I guess this proves it, you cant have a decent war anymore. Everybody's to busy playing chess and head games. I could go into a lengthly post about how messed up this is in so many many ways. Not the least of which is the utter lack communication regarding it, that has left so many people in harms way, while you proclaim "Um Just Kidding". I said and thought from the start that this had to be the stupidest war, and reason for one I even seen. In one corner we got arrogant brats, whose whole resolve rests of the fact that they are to arrogant to even admit when they were wrong. In the other we got a pompous self righteousness. That while well meant, is so full of it self that it cannot see nor takes any consideration for the people that will be harmed in the process. \M/ I understand, but NpO you actually know better. In the end I'm glad to see that the entire world will not be tearing itself to shreds, for stupidities sake. But as for myself I wouldn't shed a tear if every alliance in the world that just declared, now proceeds to declare on you both.

January of 2006

Nah I think of it more as a "Cat Fight", maximum posturing for minimal fighting. I guess in the end we were dealing with a lot of "MEOWS".

Actually someone told me that Londo was on vacation when this all went down, so I don't know how much he had to do with this at all. And for the record I believe Athens is doing this on MK'S behest, and already had C&G backing before they went in,. else they wouldn't have been stupid enough to start this in the first place. In the end this ain't even about TPF, but rather about C&G and Super friends, wanting a piece of Citadel and IRON.

Oh it is. I just hope it don't turn out to be a cat fight. With a week worth of posturing for two days worth of scrapping.

I couldn't agree more, time to get this going, and put ya money where your mouth is.