Caliph

Here is why FAN is so angry with the NPO. A long time ago there used to be a bloc called the Initiative. It consisted of, at various times, NPO, NpO, GGA, GOONS, \m/, MCXA, Gen[m]ay, FAN, TPF, CIS, TOP, and more. FAN was a huge alliance back in the day, they were #2 or #3 in the ranks, NPO was #2 or #3 (whichever FAN wasn't, I don't remember) and GPA used to be the #1 ranked alliance. FAN did some stupid things, and got the Initiative angry with them. The Initiative kicked FAN out, and immediately most the Initiative declared war on FAN. This was VietFAN. On the second day of war, the Initiative authorized first strike nuclear attacks on FAN, to which FAN responded by unleashing most of their 1k + nukes directly at the NPO and NpO, causing those two alliances to take more damage than any Initiative alliance. Initiative alliances had to give hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the NPO and NpO to help them stay affloat and keep fighting. FAN iniatited a policy of telling every member to run to peace mode, and eventually all non peace mode FAN nations were effectively destroyed. FAN stayed in war with the NPO, NpO, GGA, and IRON (who had also declared war on FAN) for a year. During this year the conflict was low key, not many FAN nations jumped out of peace mode. During this time the UJW was fought, and as a result of rising tensions both NpO and the UJP (GOONS, \m/, Gen[m]ay) declared peace with FAN, leaving just the NPO and a few others still in war with FAN. After a while, FAN signed a peace agreement with NPO. This peace agreement was strangely worded, and allowed for multiple interpretations of two key clauses of the treaty, one of which read "FAN can only keep as many troops as needed to keep their population happy". It is important to note that the current game mechanics regarding buying troops were different at this time. It was impossible to enter in an exact number of troops to buy, you had to select a predetermined amount from a list of different troop amounts that were generated for you. NPO intepretted this clause to mean "FAN can only keep 20% of their population as troops". During the time of peace FAN was a protectorate, was required to demiliterize as much as possible, and the NPO was responsible for dealing with all attacks on FAN nations. With the peace treaty almost expired, NPO, NpO, GGA, and IRON (the then members of One Vision) blitzed FAN for percieved violations of the peace treaty. One Vision claimed that a 75% of the FAN alliance was in violation of the terms, and decided, in direct violation of one clause that read "if a FAN nation is found to be in violation of the terms only that FAN nation will be attacked". This is the event that caused the current hatred from FAN to the NPO. FAN claims to this day that the majority of their alliance was in compliance with the terms, and that the NPO had indeed been lax with protecting them from rogues, a claim that the now defunct LUE also had with the NPO in regards to their GW2 surrender terms. FAN claims that the NPO backstabbed them while they were an unarmed protectorate of the NPO for trumped up reasons. FAN has since claimed they will only accept a White peace with the NPO, and has fully embraced spying on the NPO. Vox Vox is a remake of another alliance. The current Vox was created during the "No CB" war in which GGA and Valhalla DOW'ed Hyperion for aiding the reroll of someone on the PZI list of GGA. Through a mix of treaties the Mushroom Kingdom found itself declared on by the NPO, and the entire R&R bloc, or the "Friends>Infra", were declared on. The reason for declaring on Hyperion did not sit well with the general CN population who was not in the Continuum. The NPO decleration on MK, and the Continuum DOW on NpO caused massive uproar on the forums, and many people joined Vox as a way to protest the hegemonies (Continuum and allies) way of handling themselves. Unlike what occured in the Unjust War or the Unjust War part 2, this "revolt" was poorly planned, not executed well, and had no alliances of any power backing it, or directing it. As a result the rapid growth Vox enjoyed in its first week of reformation saw a rapid de-growth as most left Vox, either to reroll, to spy, or to join other alliances and put that chapter behind themselves. Vox was formed by a group of people whom were vocal protestors of the NPO's isolation and coordination of the Unjust war part 2 (Continuum vs NpO, and the dismantling of BLEU), and tried their best to keep the two orders from fighting. For their efforts they were sentenced to PZI by the NPO and their allies. Some Vox members see the NPO in its current form as having lost its way, as not following true "Francoist" principles. Others are bitter at the treatment they received at the hands of the NPO for trying to help Polaris. Others want to bring the hegemony down. In short, the members of Vox currently are all on the NPO, and o thers, PZI list, meaning that they are forever to be attacked on site by at least Pacifica. The feel mistreated, and one of Vox's goals is to bring down the practice of PZI and EZI. In closing, both Vox and FAN feel betrayed by the NPO, and refuse to do things as NPO wants. For FAN, the last time they asked for peace, an Imperial Officer of the NPO told them to "die", implying that the NPO will never give FAN peace. For Vox, all members (if I'm not mistaken) are on the EZI/PZI list of the NPO, meaning they can never play that game, even on a rerolled account, without the NPO attacking them. Note: I am not saying that the events described are 100% accurate. I am saying that what I have described is the viewpoint of FAN and Vox, as I understand it.

well, I misread the poll, thinking it said "strongest forum presence", not "weakest". So I would have voted Fark, because they're like never here.

I disagree. I had no part in the creation of this current system. I admit, I used to be in a Continuum alliance. Well, two of them, one with my old nation and one with my current nation. However I can do nothing to force them to change their ways, and truth be told if I could I wouldn't want to force them to change their ways, thats not who I am. I don't believe in forcing a belief structure on anyone. But I do have a strong sense of justice, and injustice. The current hegemony has used alliances in the past to further their own short term goals. However every alliance does that to a certain extent, because such is the nature of politics. What the current hegemony does in regards to PZI is done in part because there is nobody with the power, military or political, who can, or who even has the will, to appose it in such a way as to make them think twice about the widespread usage of it. This current hegemony is not created by all of us, but it is created by the most powerful alliances in existence. Why are they the most powerful alliances? Because of both the actions of themselves, but also the actions of alliances who some have betrayed and cast aside when their usefullness had expired. This current hegemony also exists because there is not sufficient strength or will to appose it in any way that is capable of changing the hegemony. The unrest is present, given the Vox movement and others events, however as long as the Continuum is together with NPO, IRON, MHA, Sparta, and a majority of the sanctioned alliances in it, or allied to Continuum members via the treaty web (like ODN is) nothing can, or will, change. Good luck with the plea Jonathan, but it is nothing more than that, a plea to those who have absolutely noincentive to do as you ask. And one thing remains true, and that is that might may not make right, but might does indeed make what is. Edit: added the word "no" in a sentence. Amazing how adding that one word changes the meaning of a sentence.

Thats wierd. Poison Clan and their nukes help me sleep at night PC, congrats on that most epic achievement. 20 nukes per nation, that is awesome! May your enemies glow green

Class act guys. Congrats

That has never been the case here. Nations have lived and died because those in power deem it so. The enemies of the Initiative knew this, and were destroyed. The enemies of Polaris and the Unjust Path knew this, and that culminated in a showdown which saw one side destroyed and entire alliances barred from playing the game. The enemies of the One Vision know this, as they are continually kept down. I do find it funny how some are now protesting the system in which they were instrumental in creating. Not specifically you, Paradigm, but others.

I'll sign it. Caliph of RAD: Director of Hippie luv, waiting to make some nations glow green the hippie way

It says I can delete or install a tracking worm on other nations. I'd rather not "try it and see what happens". My warn level can't take another hit.

I also have the Mod control panel showing up when I log in to Cybernations. My nation link in case you need it: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=199347 Unless its an Aprils Fool's joke?

I knew there was a reason I liked you. Awesome policy

I think up to the creation of the Continuum. I might be mistaken, but I thought it went up to the Continuum vs GPA war. And I wasn't satisfied with the section on the Unjust War. It also left a few things out that were important in showing tensions rising, such as FAN and GOLD's Yellow Number 5 doctrine and \m/'s response, the Don't Pee in Our Snow doctrine. YN5 prohibited tech raids on Yellow nations, and the Don't Pee ... prohibited yellow nations from tech raiding white nations. It wasn't important in the grand scheme of things, but that event showed, along with FAN's other actions, rising tension between the Initiative and FAN.

I could be of some assistance for some of the more well known events from GW 3 to now. I'm usually on IRC as Caliph[RAD] or you can PM me here. I wouldn't mind writing up a fairly unbiased account from what I remember.

I was around when they were a power, and I would say that they have indeed earned it at this point. They deserved the first round of the Initiative vs FAN. They didn't deserve round 2, but they allowed themselves to be manipulated into accepting peace terms that allowed for multiple interpretations of the restrictions due to intentional wording on the part of Pacifica and One Vision.

I must disagree. The dead alliances are not there voluntarily. \m/ wasn't disbanded because we wanted to disband, we disbanded because our leaders were unable to participate in the game any longer and we were faced with eternal ZI by a coalition that hated us, hated \m/, hated GOONS, and hated Genmay. I personally would love to see \m/ come back, but the current hegemony would not allow it. I would also love to see FAN and GOONS come back. FAN being let free from the 2 plus years of constant warfare, and GOONS stopped being blamed for the OOC events that ended that war prematurally.

Nicely done folks Welcome to Pink!

Greetings Planet Bob. I come to you bringing a most serious announcement. Earlier, it was announced that RAD likes to "drop it like its hot". Well, thats not all. RAD has been busy all day making a wub song. Without further adeu, here is our Decleration of Wub! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUs89LER1og Signed, Emperor: Mr. Bill Right Hand Man: Jason8 Director of Interior Design: Comrade Josh Director of Hippie Love: Caliph Director of LOLUDED: nuhotness Director of Economics: Swatenfo

I did that a while ago, in my "Going away" thread. I still have some grudges that I am not going to give up right now, but they are more towards some alliances, and not so much individuals.

We need more of these kind of posts. Can PC deliver?

Cuz we're on a boat

I'll sign it.

Nice treaty We need more pacts that have #3 in them.

I am a huge fan of this new nuclear doctrine. o/ Polaris!

He was talking about FPI, not RAD. and the reason \m/ was killed off wasn't because of GGA, or J8. you were there, you know. \m/ was put into a live or die situation because of Polaris' attempt at isolating the NPO and becoming the dominant alliance in the game. \m/ died because of the lack of a will to fight for our right to exist, and because the Administration banned our best leaders for bul!@#$ reasons.

So branching out to more alliances is stupid and incompentent? So suggesting that GGA should leave One vision and find new allies, and stand on their own 2 feet instead of being at the beck and call of the NPO is leading them right into a freight train? Well perhaps your right, we all saw what happened when GOONS and \m/ grew a backbone and decided to not bow to the NPO anymore. Suggesting that you should change your alliance after witnessing your current programs continue to deny you the growth that other alliances are getting is not fail. If you don't change with the times you will stagnate, and that is exactly what this topic is about. You need new ideas and fresh thinkers in your alliance.

Than those 300+ "ghosts" are dead weight, not helping the alliance at all and should be removed. Or kicked in the pants to get active. Changing forums would drastically help this.