Caliph

So ...does this mean you're rejecting peace talks with JB?

JB has my full support in this matter. Hail JB.

Was in Legion for GW3. Then I left. If I didn't leave then, I sure would've left when Legion surrendered to the NPO again. Still ...hows Legion? Edit: Hymenbreach, I remember you, we were right about the same level in GW3.

Oh wow, MPOL is back! Welcome back mate I look forward to a new standard of quality from FAN aannouncements

East coast time? 9 PM east coast time, 6 PM pacific. I might try to catch your show tonight and see what the hype is all about.

No. Thats what the first war was about. The second one was about NPO wanting to crush FAN and exterminate them from planet Bob.

Nice decleration of neutrality, but the timing could have been better, like after the DOW's were posted.

I find it funny that nobody has refutted any of my posts here. FAN is kept in war because NPO is threatened by FAN. They fear what FAN, and GOONS, and \m/, would do if they were to be allowed to exist without being in a state of warfare.

Till the end brothas Woot WOot!

I used to be in the Polar POW camp ...does that count?

Perhaps he adheres to the "FAN should bend over and take it" philosophy that the NPO likes to say? Edit: They paid for their deceit after ViewFAn, the first war. They surrendered to the NPO, since most of the other combatants were no longer fighting. NpO offered white peace, \m/ GOONS and Genmay were disbanded, and the rest of the Initiative didn't do any fighting in VietFAN. The second part, in which FAN was hit for not adhering to NPO's interpretation of a certain clause, is what I, and most others who disagree with this situation, are mostly against. Since you don't seem to care about the facts, however, I won't bog this post down with more of them.

Apologies, I should have reworded that. Also, He Who Has No Name, I beat you with that whole "NPO told FAN to die" bit

Yes! Pink loves you

Wasn't that me? Or did I come later to that? I was your MoFA if I remember right, or something ...

He won't say it because that wouldn't look good on the forums. They've said it in negotiations, when FAN asked how to get peace. Imperial Officers told the FAN representatives to "die". NPO's viewpoint is they have given FAN one chance, and they blew it. Reality is that the peace terms FAN accepted and that the NPO dictated could not be followed without self inflicting anarchy, and were used as a trap to hit FAN again when they least expected it. In actuality, this is an attempted genocide by the NPO against FAN. Similar to the sucessful genocide of GOONS by the ~, and the disbandment and continued forced disbandment of \m/. The only way FAN will get peace is if the NPO is defeated in a war and that is a requirement for the NPO to get peace. And even then I doubt FAN would get peace, because the Imperial Officers absolutely hate FAN. They hate the fact that for 1 year after ViewFAN started FAN had control of the Yellow Senate. They hate the fact that FAN refuses to play by their rules, they hate every about FAN, and actively work to keep FAN down. The NPO and others like to spout this line about "come out and fight", and "we gave FAN a chance before", and "they spy on us", however these are simply excuses, simply arguments thrown out there without the context, without the facts of the situation. The fact is NPO was waiting for the right time to hit FAN. The fact is NPO never wanted to give FAN peace, they set up an ambush, and it didn't force FAN to disband like they wanted. The thing is there isn't a soul in the NPO that would come out and publicly admit this, because what the NPO, and other alliances, do, is they don't say anything and hope it goes away.

You forgot the part where the person's action who gave them the CB wasn't even in GATo at the time, and was gone for months, making it an out dated CB.

That thread was awesome. Also Hal, kinda a dick move in this thread. Theres plenty of reason to be pissed at Electron Sponge for \m/'s disbandment. However this isn't the time, nor the place, to go into it. This is about \m/ and its former members, not about Sponge's involvement in the disbandment.

I was masked on their forums as part of the UJP. I didn't have access to any gov stuff, but had a member mask. That Harry Potter forum was awesome

I could type up a long response to this comment, but this isn't the time nor the place to bring that up. So, new nation, and in RAD now. Ya dig Edit: You want a timeframe, right after GW3 to when \m/ disbanded. My old nation name is in my sig.

I'm in RAD. And yes, I was in the NPO.

The problem is that I have been clear, and I have noticed that you, and most others, have skipped over my posts in regards to this doctrine. The simple fact is that TOP is allied with an alliance that tells everyone who they can and cannot raid. The simple fact is that PWN tells other alliances what acceptable raiding behavior is. This is what is happening, whether or not this policy meets your satisfaction or not, similar to how NPO made their decision which has sparked a lot of controversy in regards to their tech raiding allies, who are also TOP's allies via the Continuum. I have answered questions regarding the Bus Doctrine, and how it will apply and how it will be used. You don't have to like it, however we don't care if you like it or not. Everyone has detractors. I, for one, do not see how this will hurt TOP at all, seeing as how TOP doesn't tech raid. Unless TOP plans changing that policy in the near future? In regards to calling us hypocrits, I will point out that we are holding every other tech raiding alliance, and tech raider, to the same standards we have set for ourselves. You would think that the anti tech raiding folks would be embracing this as it would surely bring to the limelight the harsh practice of tech raids so they could climb up on their high horse again, and I can see why tech raiding alliances might not like it at first but realize that there are plenty of non pink unaligned nations and that this won't really affect raids. What I do find it interesting is not so much that people don't like this, but it is for the reasons why they don't like this. Some are claiming the right to nuke tech raid targets, just because. Others want to attack the raid target with all their weapons, and then complain when the target fights back. Sounds to me exactly what GOONS, \m/, and the entire UJP did. Sounds to me exactly the reasons the public of CN expelled the Unjust from the game. And now these people in alliances who tech raid are upset because we are trying to set some sort of tech raiding standard, to make tech raiding less brutal, less \m/ like? Aren't these the same alliances that fought, and are still fighting, to keep \m/ expelled from the game? That is the true hypocricy here. If you hate \m/, you should like this policy. If you hate tech raiding, you should think this policy is a step in the right direction. If you are pro tech raiding, this should not bother you all that much, because truthfully adding one of the smallest spheres to the "do not randomly destroy nations" list should not affect you at all. Besides, only the cruel and weak need to use nukes and a full CM burst and bombing campaign on a tech raid. When I raided, I did so without anarchying my opponents, and using only 2 GA's. I didn't anarchy them because I found that 100% of the people I didn't anarchy accepted my peace offer, yet when I came at them with everything I had they chose to respond in kind.

I fully disagree with you in regards to Bilrow not being the worst offender of breaching the IC/OOC line when it benefits him the most.

You asking this proves that you did not read the OP. Please re-read the OP, and try this again. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Re-read the OP, then see if you have this question again.

This. Exactly this. The side with more NS has consistantly chosen to make a crusade out of some OOC attacks, yet when someone on their side does them those OOC attacks are completely ignored and written off as "well he just had a bad day" or "he's intitled to 1 OOC attack". This is a hypicritical stance, but hey, those in power now got there because of adopting double standards. And politics is all about double standards anyway.

IRON and GGA, both One Vision members, and IRON is a Continuum member, both tech raid. Both support tech raiding the same way RAD does. For someone to criticize us for tech raiding, they must also criticize IRON and GGA and every other tech raiding alliance in existence. If they do not, they are displaying the behavior of a hypocrite, and will be treated accordingly, by us ignoring such "arguments" until one takes a non hypocritical stance.