Diogenes

[quote name='Scorponok' timestamp='1289075970' post='2504203'] Honourable Move. Very honourable indeed. Thanks for the co-operation. [/quote] Yes, enabling alliances to bash in the heads of your friends is quite the honorable decision.

You've really nailed us this time!

[quote name='Unko Kalaikz' timestamp='1286249157' post='2475364'] I think your ambitions are pretty clear. [/quote] Given the remarkably poor job you are doing of analyzing them, I would be inclined to believe otherwise.

[quote name='Unko Kalaikz' timestamp='1286248144' post='2475309'] Which is why I said "clever PR move." Power is not generated by pieces of paper; this is simply a sneaky way to maintain the current chaotic hegemony by fooling people into thinking that it's been dissolved but in reality its just invisible and so more confusing. Nice way to relieve some of the heat though. [/quote] How many times can you incorrectly assess the ambitions of our alliance in the span of a week?

[quote name='Unko Kalaikz' timestamp='1286244908' post='2475094'] Clever PR move [/quote] You're batting a thousand, champ.

You may as well toss this entire analysis out the window because not even a shred of it is correct. We don't defend the GOONS because they are the "standardbearer of the forces of chaos" (lol). We defend them because, unlike most alliances in this game, they are not terrible.

[quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1285800525' post='2468841'] You can't stuff an opinion in a line and then call it fact. *Edit: Well, you can but it will shred your credibility and no one will listen to what you say with any seriousness. Also: http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Rogue MK may be good allies in assisting with an attack on their treaty partners, but they are losing legitimacy and face if they don't at least announce a declaration. This slip-up is exactly what half of the planet has been waiting for. More ammo for the propagandists. Anyway, good luck to all parties in getting this sorted out. *Edit: Hat's off to Ejay. [/quote] I too am of the belief that the CyberNations Wiki is a more accurate source of information than a dictionary. [quote name='Moridin' timestamp='1285801025' post='2468858'] Perhaps you've been asleep for the past several years, but terms like these have evolved to mean something different in the context of international politics than in a dictionary. OOC: Trying to use a real-life English dictionary to define CN terms is absurd. There are a number of terms whose accepted IC definitions that will not appear in a dictionary. [/quote] Listen, as much fun as it is to redefine words to suit my arguments, I think that we should stick to their actual definitions when engaging one another in debate. That said, it really does not matter how you define "rogue" -- my alliance does not view the Ninjas as a legitimate political entity and I doubt anything that you say is going to change that. OOC: "Rogue" is a term that applies purely to CyberNations?

[quote name='Moridin' timestamp='1285799635' post='2468821'] I am saying exactly that, because the term "alliance of rogues" is an oxymoron. I am curious when the situation you just described actually occurred though; I can remember taking part in something like that a couple years ago, but you're misrepresenting the current situation. This wasn't for the purpose of "creating mischief" (though a member of the Ninjas can correct me if I'm wrong on that count). [/quote] No definition of "[url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rogue]rogue[/url]" conflicts with any definition of "[url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alliance]alliance[/url]". Call or consider the Ninjas whatever you like though; the fact is that they declared war upon the GOONS with little justification and are facing retaliation as a consequence of that.

[quote name='Moridin' timestamp='1285798730' post='2468800'] What the hell? That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. In my four years in the Cyberverse, a "rogue" has always been a nation, not affiliated with an alliance, that engages in an aggressive war. There is no such thing as an "alliance of rogues". That's an utterly ridiculously term that as far as I can tell you lot pulled out of god-knows-where purely for this thread. This is roughly on par with when Continuum members tried to arbitrarily re-define the term "alliance" to exclude Vox Populi. I think a lot of arguments in this thread have been monumentally stupid - "GOONS' allies shouldn't help them!", or "There wasn't a valid casus belli!", so on and so forth. But calling the Ninjas an "alliance of rogues" has to take the cake. [/quote] Are you trying to tell me that several individuals pooling their resources together under a single banner and declaring war on an alliance they dislike purely for the sake of creating mischief does not make them a literal "alliance of rogues"?

[quote name='Gamemaster1' timestamp='1285795933' post='2468728'] Did ya quote the wrong post by accident? Because that had [i]nothing[/i] to do with my post. Maybe if I asked it in a question you might understand it easier: Why are you calling an established alliance rogues? And this post obviously isn't complete, it's lacking a potshot at your AA. ....Nah. [/quote] Whether or not they were or are currently established as an alliance has nothing to do with the question of whether or not they are rogues. In other words, it is quite possible for the Ninjas to be an [i]alliance of rogues[/i]. And they are! Hope this helps.

[quote name='Gamemaster1' timestamp='1285793806' post='2468676'] Funny how MK jumps so quickly to call an established alliance rogues. I guess it's just easier to deal with if you don't treat it like an [i]actual[/i] war. [/quote] It's almost as though they literally are rogues!

Another pack of rogues jumping at the opportunity to be ground into dust by the GOONS and their allies is nothing special at this point -- I'm not entirely sure why you even bothered to announce this.

[quote name='peron' timestamp='1285627201' post='2466347'] I knew picking you would be a mistake!!!! You made TOP mad! [/quote] If you were only a tiny bit more subtle, I would be unable to tell whether or not you were making an attempt at sarcasm here.

[quote name='Teddyyo' timestamp='1284085522' post='2448352'] MK=6 Legion=2 Popularity poll. Illegitimate for the topic. Edit: Now 7-5. It still seems skewed, but not as much as before. I withdrawl earlier statement. [/quote] Yes -- who could ask for a better friend than one who attacks you in spite of a shared mutual defense pact?

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1283973250' post='2446760'] You know, I've been trying to hold my reservations on GOONS (Even if everyone incorrectly assumes I've always hated them), but, you know, there's just something outright wrong about sanctioning and first-strike nuking when a tech raid goes sour. I must strongly condemn the actions of GOONS in this war and the precedents they seek to set. The nuking, eh, it's forgivable considering UOKMB's stated intent, but sanctions in what is without a doubt an alliance war, are uncalled for, and run counter to established precedent. [/quote] Why can seemingly no one comprehend that this was not a 'raid gone sour'?

[quote name='Andre27' timestamp='1283114839' post='2434945'] Whatever rocks your boat, considering your attitude you would not even admit it if evidence to the contrary war shown. As i said earlier, in my opinion MK has a good military but they're not the best. [/quote] That's all good and well, but as babyjesus has pointed out, your opinion is objectively flawed. Thanks for playing!

Sorry that we will not enable you to deem an entire color sphere your property.

[b]Mostly Harmless Alliance[/b] - 3/10 - I don't really know anything about these guys, nor do I especially care to. [b]Green Protection Agency[/b] - 3/10 [b]New Pacific Order[/b] - 6/10 - The New Pacific Order is not the alliance for me, but they seem to have a pretty strong community, and that's admirable at the very least. [b]New Polar Order[/b] - 6/10 - Polar's behavior during the last war left a bad taste in my mouth, but I like a few of their members. [b]World Task Forc[/b]e - 3/10 [b]Sparta[/b] - 3/10 [b]Viridian Entente[/b] - 6/10 - They seem pretty cool. I don't know them too well. [b]The Democratic Order[/b] - 3/10 [b]Fark[/b] - 7/10 - I like a few of their posters, but I really don't know much about them. [b]Mushroom Kingdom[/b] - 10/10 - By and far the best alliance I've ever been a part of. [b]Orange Defense Network[/b] - 8/10 - Their history aside, the ODN is a good and dependable group of people. [b]United Purple Nations[/b] - 2/10 - I literally dislike this alliance for being on the purple team (and not being the Stickmen). [b]FOK[/b] - 7/10 - I don't know them well, but I like some of their posters and their general attitude towards things. [b]Global Alliance And Treaty Organization[/b] - 3/10 [b]The Legion[/b] - 2/10 [b]The Order Of The Paradox[/b] - 7/10 - The Order of the Paradox has got a lot going for it, including a strong community and an aptitude for war. I'd like them more if they elected better leaders. [b]Ragnarok[/b] - 5/10 - Ragnarok seems pretty cool, but like most alliances on this list, I don't know them all too well. [b]RnR[/b] - 3/10 [b]The Order Of Light[/b] - 2/10 [b]Random Insanity Alliance[/b] - 5/10 - I like Delta’s posts, but I really don't know much about the alliance as a whole. [b]Umbrella[/b] - 9/10 - Umbrella is my favorite alliance outside of MK. [b]Poison Clan[/b] - 8/10 - I’ve known many members of PC for a long period of time. They've made some decisions that I disagree with in the past, but they're good people, and fiercely loyal. [b]Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations[/b] - 3/10 [b]Nueva Vida[/b] - 7/10 - Hizzy is cool. [b]Federation Of Armed Nations[/b] - 6/10 - FAN is not as great as it once was, but I still like it (somewhat). [b]Independent Republic Of Orange Nations[/b] - 1/10 [b]Siberian Tiger Alliance[/b] - 8/10 - More loyal than probably any other alliance in CyberNations. [b]Multicolored Cross-X Alliance[/b] - 1/10 [b]The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons[/b] - 3/10 [b]Athens[/b] - 7/10 - Athens makes some really dumb decisions on occasion, but they are genuinely good and loyal people. [b]Nordreich [/b] - 3/10 [b]The International[/b] - 3/10 [b]The Foreign Division[/b] - 3/10 [b]LOSS[/b] - 3/10 [b]Nusantara Elite Warriors[/b] - 3/10 [b]The Grämlins[/b] - 3/10 [b]Guru Order[/b] - 3/10 [b]North Atlantic Defense Coalition[/b] - 3/10 [b]M*A*S*H[/b] - 2/10 [b]The Templar Knights[/b] - 3/10

Of those I fought, TOP nations did the best and IRON nations the worst. TOP's ability to deal damage was amplified considerably by their ridiculous prewar stats, but they were still pretty potent even when disregarding how large their nations were.

this Blgo is total epic lulz