DrummerMike little box

You're assuming atheists don't have a reason to live because they do not profess faith in god?

that's one retarded argument.

"A True reason to live" a true reason?

true by whom?

you think only your way of life is true if you really want to get to people you should try sounding less condescending.

You're really bad at that whole E-Missionary crap.

btw i'm a religious person and i believe in god and i found this entire WoT to contain retarded arguments and nothing more.

Im 15 ... i wrote this in 15 min to prove to a friend that a can write something really quick... cuz he wrote 3 pages in like 5 hours so far

Yeah i've noticed you've made funny spelling mistakes.

Yeah and if you didnt notice i tend to change topics at some point

This is because most atheists are scared

And lines like

haha but i still proved to him that i could write a page essay in less than 20 min

What's the point in writing quickly if it's terrible and wrong?

A line break or two would have been nice.

What's the point in writing quickly if it's terrible and wrong?

Bingo.

It certainly does show that this was written in fifteen minutes. Might I suggest putting some thought into your work next time, instead of just pounding away senselessly at the keyboard?

Or, if you do feel compelled to write something stupid very fast, why would you feel the need to post it here?

Why did you write this essay? Why did you post it? Where is this going? Nobody knows the exact truth to any of these.

I don't know about the others here but I would certainly enjoy reading more of your work

This is a fantastic and well-developed piece of writing. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, I ask that you would share more.

Can I 'like' this?

Ignore the people who are disparaging your work.

I beclaim that they are speaking in liberal lies.

As an atheist I find this rather comical and pretty much typical.

Per your argument, every christian should go ahead and kill themselves as their afterlife is supposed to be much better than their life here on Earth.

I'll be looking for your obituary.

As an atheist I find this rather comical and pretty much typical.Per your argument, every christian should go ahead and kill themselves as their afterlife is supposed to be much better than their life here on Earth.I'll be looking for your obituary.

If someone wants to die enough to kill themselves, I doubt their consciousness has evolved enough into a higher plan of consciousness, however you denying any force is responsible for creating the universe as we know it is pure ignorance and either not caring or having the capability to think about complex scenarios. If nobody can perceive reality in 4d, eventually somebody will be born who is able to due to every possibility being attempted until it happens. Since its well known by now that everyone and everything that makes the universe was part of the same entity or is a fragment of that entity, there is no reason to think just because the universe as we see it from our point of is expanding, that somehow we're not part of the same bigger entity, which if weren't that the laws of psychics for all of us remaining unchanged wouldn't make sense.

God is the Alpha and the Omega, beginning and the ends of everything, along with how things got that way. This is very constitant with the big bang theory and string theory, along with many other mathematical proofs that more and more complex existence and higher dimensions are just the result of continuety, which is reality wasn't always continuous, we wouldn't be where we are or exist.

Athiest might call the big bang, the big bang or GOD had anything to do with it, but most of the oldest relgions have the same belief in how the universe started, but chose to describe the creation of the universe as a scientific label to a singular point in time, then claiming to have a greater understanding than people who knew that from reading it explained that way in their religious text, since its been recorded in writing over 2000 years ago.

For there to be happiness, there must be sadness

Satisfaction requires Dissatisfaction for not having something.

Good can only exist, because the opposite, evil exists.

When its time for your conscious to either ascend into something great or live another lifetime in another country where most are starving, there would reasonable excuse you could give, as they would see everything you've done right before them for all of eternity unless you consciousness is able to experience the 5th dimensions, which would allow you to reflect upon what you're doing in the 4th dimension, then relive your life as many times as it takes to fix all you've wrong.

Unless you reject science, I don't see how you can reject God. Science points to higher dimensional forces effecting us who can only perceive it from 3. With a higher amount of dimensions, the possibilities for more advanced minds to evolve is sure to occur as well. Cause and Effect, something happens with a result. No religion states the singularity was concious and trying to think of him in terms of a human would be even worse than thinking of human as being lower than a cockroach without knowing the truth.

People live every day under the operational assumption, which is required for their sanity, that everything their senses present them is not a lie, an illusion, or a delusion. The fragility of the human mind has been proven repeatedly, even in a mass quantity. That said, when one attempts to define reality, by religion or by science, they must make the most arrogant of all assumptions. They assume they must be correct because their senses tell them that they are. But even to function, we must inevitably make this assumption to some base measure. Assuming scientists are correct, I observe my hand as solid, but in truth it is a mostly hollow cloud of atoms? My eyes lie to me because they cannot perceive the true context of my existence, but we rely on our eyes to give us the details of our instruments and even now as they become more and more sensitive we prove ourselves wrong about prior models daily... all the while we can't even validate with an absolute certainty.. any of it is even "real".

This is why I will forever claim to know nothing with certainty and in the least, I shall be correct about that statement. Anyone who claims otherwise cannot say they are looking for the truth in how reality functions.

Does religion give life meaning? It can and does. Are there other meanings? As many as their are minds. If you believe in a God(s), as I do, whomever they(it) is gave us the greatest gift of all. We are not machines. We have choice. The choices come with consequences, that's just how the system works. Causality is painful at times. An atheist can use self-determination to find a meaning for their life even if they do not accept a Sovereign God(s).

Religion and Science are both pointed towards this ends of discovering the meanings and reasons of reality, and whether you believe in God or Nature, neither have or will yield their answers with certainty.. ever. The Question shall never die and so the beauty of the mystery of our existence will also not ever die.

Even if I didn't have my Christian faith, I would still feel that there is a God, because there is one thing my perception repeats and that is that reality is absurdly complex and yet still seems to have some form of order. I do not feel this can spontaneously arise from chaos out of an explosion in a vacuum of variable and, by quantum mechanics, undefined materials, which by its own nature (from what we know of explosions according to our perceptions theories and observations), would be disorderly. But all this again, relies on potentially flawed observation.

This is where Faith comes in.

May the questions and mysteries always remain. We are as confused as Schrodinger's cat.

May it remain that way til time's ending, Amen.

The moment man knows the basis for creating his universe is the moment he will try to create his own. See "Atom Bomb" in wiki for things humanity does irresponsibly when there is still a potential it will eliminate its own existence.

Yeah, as an atheist, it irks me when the religious get on their high horse and proclaim I have no purpose.

My purpose is whatever I want it to be. Personally, I have chosen 2 for myself: One, to contribute to the sum of human knowledge, and two, to enjoy my life.

It almost seems like some religious people don't understand how to set their own purpose in life without being commanded by some figure of authority, real (a religious institution) or imaginary (god and other mythological figures).

Not all people of a group are the same. There is a great logical flaw in lumping all people of a single shared trait into being completely similar. I would encourage this flaw to be avoided by anyone seeking any measure of credibility in their discussions. One of the few truths that it seems possible to know is that we are all unique.

There, I fixed my post.

Much better. The irony for me is that I do not view God as a required reason to live. Instead, I have chosen him as my reason and model for living through Christ. It is a much more beautiful perspective on the purpose of living for Him. God made us to serve willingly, not as automatons. Whatever the situation of my state of existence, I will always have a reason for being. The one I have chosen is simply the best possible one given the nature of my Faith and I have no reason to chose any other. But that choice isn't shared with me by others as many do not share that Faith, and they are entitled to that. If God did not wish them to have choice, it would have already been stricken from their heads and our very being. It's only my duty as a Christian to inform others of what my God would have you to do and the consequences of not doing it. Afterwards, what happens, is between them and our Creator. My Faith tells me: Read Bible, believe it, repent, confess Christ as Lord, be Baptized into the Church of Christ, and be faithful until the end of your life. That is the plan of salvation. If the person chooses not to believe after hearing what I have to say, it is no longer within my control. You cannot force someone to pick up and share your faith, way of life, or belief and pestering them to do so will do little more than radicalize them further against the idea. Admittedly, it can be difficult to give up if it's someone close or in the family, but the Bible even has clear instructions for how to handle those that reject the word and it didn't involve chasing after them to the ends of the earth to force a conversion as I have unfortunately known some to do.

The actions of the latter, are what result in discussions such as this.

Yeah, as an atheist, it irks me when the religious get on their high horse and proclaim I have no purpose.

But don't you see? We atheists are helpless individuals. We're lacking in purpose, and they're only telling us this because they care.

Brilliant essay, would read again.