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The Official Terms Given To TOP/IRON/TSO/DAWN/TORN


Ejayrazz

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Since everyone and their mother has seen them, I mine as well post them since I received permission from the person I received them from.

Terms of surrender of The Order of the Paradox (TOP), Independent Republic of Orange Nations (IRON), Democratic Alliance of Wise Nations (DAWN), The Sweet Oblivion (TSO), and The Order of Righteous Nations (TORN) - collectively hereafter referred to as TIDTT.

General

1. TIDTT admits defeat and surrenders to the collective forces of the Complaints & Grievances Union, and their allies in Sparta, Mostly Harmless Alliance, The Grämlins, Fark, Nemesis, Dark Fist, The Brigade, The Resistance, Aloha, Aircastle, The Jedi Order, Prism Protection Front, Siberian Tiger Alliance, New Polar Order, The Alliance of Angry Bees, FOK, Christian Coalition of Countries, Federation of Armed Nations, BaCoN, Ronin, Global Alliance and Treaty Organization, Umbrella, Imperial Assault Alliance, Open Source Alliance, Genesis, Eldar, and the Order of the Black Rose.

Reparations

2. TIDTT shall pay reparations in the amounts outlined below. In the case of both reparations paid directly by TIDTT and of TIDTT paying for tech deals from other alliances, it is the responsibility of TIDTT to ensure that payments reach targets specified by the receiving alliances.

3. TOP shall pay the following reparations:

300K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 150K tech may be purchased by TOP from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

25K tech to Sparta.

7.5K tech and $105 Million to Dark Fist.

5K tech to The Brigade.

5K tech to The Resistance.

2.9K tech to Nemesis.

4. IRON shall pay the following reparations:

150K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 50K tech may be purchased by IRON from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

15K tech to Sparta.

6K tech paid for at a rate of 3m per 150 tech for Fark and a Beer Review which must meet their criteria.

6K tech paid for at a rate of 3m per 150 tech for Grämlins

IRON shall agree to provide BACoN with unlimited cast iron frying pans for bacon cooking purposes

a good bourbon review from IRON leaders for FAN

5. DAWN shall pay the following reparations:

10K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 5K tech may be purchased by DAWN from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech and 200M to IAA (SHARED WITH TORN)

6K tech to Grämlins, 3K of which is paid for at a rate of 150/3m

500 tech and a Beer Review for Fark which must meet their criteria.

6. TSO shall pay the following reparations:

40K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 20K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

10K tech to GATO or it's equivalent in cash at $3mil per 100 or any combonation thereof.

5K tech to OSA and a short essay of no less than 400 words on why GNU/Linux is a superior operating system to Windows. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech to Genesis. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech to Ronin. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

7. TORN shall pay the following reparations:

10K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 5K tech may be purchased by TORN from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech and 200M to IAA (SHARED WITH DAWN)

8. TIDTT alliances and their members shall not engage in inter-alliance aid except aid required to pay reparations.

Length of Terms

9. These terms shall last individually for each TIDTT alliance. When an alliance has completed the full payment of their reparations to designated targets from each receiving alliance, their time subject to these terms is complete.

Amazingly redundant. So far I have heard "NPO has given worse," well who cares? It doesn't mean these aren't ridiculous just because others have been worse. I have heard this would take at least 100 days to pay off (Someone calculate it), let alone people leaving, not being able to pay, or generally refusing to. I am sure we will be losing some people after this, great, just what this game needs. "I love your tears," I am sure that will be mentioned by one egotistical idiot who adds nothing civil to this discussion, mine as well mention it in the initial post.

I am more concerned with the timing. I do not care how much damage an alliance has done, even to mine, I wouldn't give them terms which would jeopardize growth for MONTHS at a time like NPO has done. These terms are ridiculious, and I laugh even harder at people saying "They could have been worse," alright, we get it, but it doesn't change the fact that these will take too long to pay off. "Others have done it," I don't care for it either, just because others had to you'd think they wouldn't wish for others to go through similar situations. Or, best of all, "THEY DID THIS TO THEMSELVES," yeah, they did, but this is exactly what others have done before; causing others to waste slots for months while another side builds and builds. I guess it is how this game goes, I guess you could have asked for more, but good job breaking the cycle. This is a game and ultimately we play it for fun, good job with adding to the problem at hand that this game faces with months of consequences over one war, but wait! Since this is a game, no one TRULY can grasp this concept since mentioning this is just a game is something none of us can accept, therefore we must do what we can to REBUILD PRECIOUS STATS! TOP, you were stupid for the attacks, but these terms are laughable at best. Mind you, these are terms who were only representative tonight. They'll be more most likely.

Even though I was against you TOP in this war, I hope you absolutely refuse these reps and do as much damage as possible. These terms are a joke.

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By the most conservative measure (no part of the IAA reps), DAWN is being assessed 16.5k tech. Read your own terms :P

I see my mistake but I don't believe your count is correct either. Assuming no part of IAA's, DAWN would be 13.5K tech (since the other 3K requested by Gramlins is paid for). Adding in half of IAA's and then it would be 16K.

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After reading the above I became curious what this would be worth according to the market at $3mil per 100 technology and who would be receiving how much. Not to be an apologist but please take into consideration when reading this that C&G is comprised of.... *counts* .... seven alliances.

=TOP=-

C&G: $9,000,000,000.00

Sparta: $750,000,000.00

Dark Fist: $226,050,000.00

Brigade: $150,000,000.00

Resistance: $150,000,000.00

Nemesis: $87,000,000.00

Total: $10,363,050,000.00

-=IRON=-

C&G: $4,500,000,000.00

Sparta: $450,000,000.00

Fark: $180,000,000.00

Grämlins: $180,000,000.00

Total: $5,310,000,000.00

-=TSO=-

C&G: $1,200,000,000.00

GATO: $300,000,000.00

Genesis: $150,000,000.00

OSA: $150,000,000.00

Ronin: $150,000,000.00

Total: $1,950,000,000.00

-=DAWN=-

C&G: $300,000,000.00

Grämlins: $180,000,000.00

IAA: $150,000,000.00*

Fark: $15,000,000.00

Total: $640,000,000.00

-=TORN=-

C&G: $300,000,000.00

IAA: $150,000,000.00*

Total: $450,000,000.00

Total from defeated: $18,563,050,000.00

-=Receipients=-

C&G: $15,300,000,000.00

Sparta: $1,200,000,000.00

Grämlins: $360,000,000.00

GATO: $300,000,000.00

Dark Fist: $226,050,000.00

Fark: $195,000,000.00

Brigade: $150,000,000.00

Genesis: $150,000,000.00

IAA: $150,000,000.00

OSA: $150,000,000.00

Resistance: $150,000,000.00

Ronin: $150,000,000.00

Nemesis: $87,000,000.00

* Denotes the term is split between the two designated parties and payment can to the best of my knowledge be divided as they so wish. As such it's counted for both of them to reflect the unlikely possibility of either of them paying the entirety of those stated reparations. Also note that this was kept in mind when coming up with totals and the number was only counted once for the receipient and in the grand total in reparations if terms were accepted.

For an easier read on tech I present the below as well

-=TOP=-

C&G: 300,000

Sparta: 25,000

Dark Fist: 7,500

Brigade: 5,000

Resistance: 5,000

Nemesis: 2.900

Total: 345,400

-=IRON=-

C&G: 150,000

Sparta: 15,000

Fark: 6,000

Grämlins: 6,000

Total: 177,000

-=TSO=-

C&G: 40,000

GATO: 10,000

Genesis: 5,000

OSA: 5,000

Ronin: 5,000

Total: 65,000

-=DAWN=-

C&G: 10,000

Grämlins: 6,000

IAA: 5,000*

Fark: 500

Total: 21,500

-=TORN=-

C&G: 10,000

IAA: 5,000*

Total: 15,000

Total from defeated: 618,900

-=Receipients=-

C&G: 510,000

Sparta: 40,000

Grämlins: 12,000

GATO: 10,000

Dark Fist: 7,500

Fark: 6.500

Brigade: 5,000

Genesis: 5,000

IAA: 5,000

OSA: 5,000

Resistance: 5,000

Ronin: 5,000

Nemesis: 2,900

* Denotes the term is split between the two designated parties and payment can to the best of my knowledge be divided as they so wish. As such it's counted for both of them to reflect the unlikely possibility of either of them paying the entirety of those stated reparations. Also note that this was kept in mind when coming up with totals and the number was only counted once for the receipient and in the grand total in reparations if terms were accepted.

Annnnnd now I'm curious about past wars so excuse me if I disappear for a bit.

Edit: I apologize, the format got screwed up when I hit submit. You'll all have to make do. Additionally if I made any errors in the above please feel free to point it out and I'll edit the list accordingly.

Edit: Massive fail here. I forgot to convert for 100 tech when doing the math. My sincerest apologies to anyone my error may have shone a negative light on.

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I see my mistake but I don't believe your count is correct either. Assuming no part of IAA's, DAWN would be 13.5K tech (since the other 3K requested by Gramlins is paid for). Adding in half of IAA's and then it would be 16K.

I still counted tech being sold. As that is essentially an indirect form of reps. The alternative would have just been to sell tech internally as a means of production.

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Ejay, I love how you're completely fine with setting a alliance back months by attacking it but not making someone pay reps that could take months to finish. Honestly these terms are alot more lenient than I expected them to be after hearing all the whining from you and your cohort.

Actually I think these terms are fair, leaning towards lenient for some of the alliances involved in trying to take out cng.

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You know, there is a precedent for alliances seeking separate peace in cases like this.

Or if IAA shared your view on this (and perhaps they will), we may take a big leap forward on completing a deal for peace.

At the very least, some of us would (for real) not forget such a gesture.

honestly, i hope we won't. i am only a rank and file but i believe i am well-respected within IAA.

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After reading the above I became curious what this would be worth according to the market at $3mil per 100 technology and who would be receiving how much. What I discovered is these terms (apparently incomplete as some parties weren't contacted) in such a conversion would be the 8th largest economy by three measures. C&G's collective take would be the 11th largest by the IMF and World Banks estimates and 8th largest according to the CIA Factbook. Not to be an apologist but please take into consideration when reading this that C&G is comprised of.... *counts* .... seven alliances.

=TOP=-

C&G: $900,000,000,000.00

Sparta: $75,000,000,000.00

Dark Fist: $22,605,000,000.00

Brigade: $15,000,000,000.00

Resistance: $15,000,000,000.00

Nemesis: $8,700,000,000.00

Total: $1,036,305,000,000.00

-=IRON=-

C&G: $450,000,000,000.00

Sparta: $45,000,000,000.00

Fark: $18,000,000,000.00

Grämlins: $18,000,000,000.00

Total: $531,000,000,000.00

-=TSO=-

C&G: $120,000,000,000.00

GATO: $30,000,000,000.00

Genesis: $15,000,000,000.00

OSA: $15,000,000,000.00

Ronin: $15,000,000,000.00

Total: $195,000,000,000.00

-=DAWN=-

C&G: $30,000,000,000.00

Grämlins: $18,000,000,000.00

IAA: $15,000,000,000.00*

Fark: $1,500,000,000.00

Total: $64,000,000,000.00

-=TORN=-

C&G: $30,000,000,000.00

IAA: $15,000,000,000.00*

Total: $45,000,000,000.00

Total from defeated: $1,856,305,000,000.00

-=Receipients=-

C&G: $1,530,000,000,000.00

Sparta: $120,000,000,000.00

Grämlins: $36,000,000,000.00

GATO: $30,000,000,000.00

Dark Fist: $22,605,000,000.00

Fark: $19,500,000,000.00

Brigade: $15,000,000,000.00

Genesis: $15,000,000,000.00

IAA: $15,000,000,000.00

OSA: $15,000,000,000.00

Resistance: $15,000,000,000.00

Ronin: $15,000,000,000.00

Nemesis: $8,700,000,000.00

* Denotes the term is split between the two designated parties and payment can to the best of my knowledge be divided as they so wish. As such it's counted for both of them to reflect the unlikely possibility of either of them paying the entirety of those stated reparations. Also note that this was kept in mind when coming up with totals and the number was only counted once for the receipient and in the grand total in reparations if terms were accepted.

For an easier read on tech I present the below as well

-=TOP=-

C&G: 300,000

Sparta: 25,000

Dark Fist: 7,500

Brigade: 5,000

Resistance: 5,000

Nemesis: 2.900

Total: 345,400

-=IRON=-

C&G: 150,000

Sparta: 15,000

Fark: 6,000

Grämlins: 6,000

Total: 177,000

-=TSO=-

C&G: 40,000

GATO: 10,000

Genesis: 5,000

OSA: 5,000

Ronin: 5,000

Total: 65,000

-=DAWN=-

C&G: 10,000

Grämlins: 6,000

IAA: 5,000*

Fark: 500

Total: 21,500

-=TORN=-

C&G: 10,000

IAA: 5,000*

Total: 15,000

Total from defeated: 618,900

-=Receipients=-

C&G: 510,000

Sparta: 40,000

Grämlins: 12,000

GATO: 10,000

Dark Fist: 7,500

Fark: 6.500

Brigade: 5,000

Genesis: 5,000

IAA: 5,000

OSA: 5,000

Resistance: 5,000

Ronin: 5,000

Nemesis: 2,900

* Denotes the term is split between the two designated parties and payment can to the best of my knowledge be divided as they so wish. As such it's counted for both of them to reflect the unlikely possibility of either of them paying the entirety of those stated reparations. Also note that this was kept in mind when coming up with totals and the number was only counted once for the receipient and in the grand total in reparations if terms were accepted.

Annnnnd now I'm curious about past wars so excuse me if I disappear for a bit.

Edit: I apologize, the format got screwed up when I hit submit. You'll all have to make do. Additionally if I made any errors in the above please feel free to point it out and I'll edit the list accordingly.

Uh, you might want to take a look at that math again.

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C'mon, these are fake. I can prove it. I specifically demanded that Crymson be made my butler for a year as Aloha's surrender terms. I don't see that anywhere in there. And what about the review of Episode 7 of Season 7 of Little House on the Prairie that I wanted from IRON? It's a big "Almanzo" episode and I think the Cybernations community would like to know what happened!

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Uh, you might want to take a look at that math again.

Note, the monetary figures is the market value of the tech at 3mil/100, not how much it costs to buy tech. Though it is important to note that a significant amount if not the majority of their tech will likely come from what they got in tech deals however seeing that it doesn't prohibit intra-alliance aid transfers then if it were ever to have been accepted they probably would have just bought up cheaper tech to send out.

Edit: I got IRON's right

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So, so far, it'll take another 2 months to destroy another 80% of TOP's tech.

Assuming 15m daily average warchest damage and 1.5bn average warchests (I should know, I compile spy reports), it'll take another 3 months to destroy most of TOP's warchests.

For the hyperoutliers like Stukov, it'll take a full year to smash his warchest, but only 5 months to reduce his tech to zilch.

And no, after another 2 or 3 months your guys will be contained and most of CnG will be engaged in mid-war rebuilding. Count on it.

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You're right, I added IRON's total incorrectly. They should be 4,000 higher in tech list and $12 billion in cash list then I put them at. Note, the monetary figures is the market value of the tech at 3mil/100, not how much it costs to buy tech. Though it is important to note that a significant amount if not the majority of their tech will likely come from what they got in tech deals however seeing that it doesn't prohibit intra-alliance aid transfers then if it were ever to have been accepted they probably would have just bought up cheaper tech to send out

You've put your decimal in the wrong place, methinks.

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You've put your decimal in the wrong place, methinks.

Nope, it's actually in the trillions for value. Remember, in total we're talking over 600,000 tech. As a reference to, I edited the post you quoted. In double checking after the other posted commented I did the math wrong in my head. I got IRON's stuff correctly.

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5k tech at 100 tech for 3 mil is $150,000,000. Also, my alliance gave an estimate based off of damages received and what we came up with was not set in stone, as I told quite a few people. Perhaps people should wait until the talks are done before you throw a hissy fit.

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So, so far, it'll take another 2 months to destroy another 80% of TOP's tech.

Assuming 15m daily average warchest damage and 1.5bn average warchests (I should know, I compile spy reports), it'll take another 3 months to destroy most of TOP's warchests.

For the hyperoutliers like Stukov, it'll take a full year to smash his warchest, but only 5 months to reduce his tech to zilch.

And no, after another 2 or 3 months your guys will be contained and most of CnG will be engaged in mid-war rebuilding. Count on it.

So if this war continues for another 3 months, we can conclude that CnG is simply trying to destroy TOP utterly.

Makes it clear to me!

Also, no misplaced decimals, far as I can tell

300,000*3,000,000=9 and eleven zeroes after it. That's 900,000,000,000

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These terms suck. The amounts are on the low side but that would be forgivable if 75% of the tech reps were required to come from nations with over 5k tech.

I really really really really really hope you all keep fighting for another 6 months.

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5k tech at 100 tech for 3 mil is $150,000,000. Also, my alliance gave an estimate based off of damages received and what we came up with was not set in stone, as I told quite a few people. Perhaps people should wait until the talks are done before you throw a hissy fit.

I'm sorry, you're right. I'll adjust the post accordingly.

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Nope, it's actually in the trillions for value. Remember, in total we're talking over 600,000 tech. As a reference to, I edited the post you quoted. In double checking after the other posted commented I did the math wrong in my head. I got IRON's stuff correctly.

It's 9 billion, which is nothing. TOP has a guy with almost that much cash on hand, one guy.

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