Style #386 Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Or, as I once said to my former Queen:"I'm sorry you got angry when I called you lard-$@!." It's an apology. There's a 'sorry' in there and everything! It's the Bilrow school of apologies! Still, I suppose it's nice to see some sort of resolution forthcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Chill I Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Is there really anything more to discuss? Ivan has expressed regret over the situation now that TDO has sought to publicly humiliate the NSO in order to elicit an apology, instead of trying to contact Ivan directly. Now, all we have left is people flexing their new found political muscle in a situation they have no involvement in. I think it's time we call it a day. Oh yes those !@#$%^& neutrals victimizing those poor good kids at NSO. Edited July 3, 2009 by King Chill I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Please feel free to point out where I have done so. All I see here is you, a noninvolved party, apparently butthurt that a topic doesn't include you, interjecting pointless rhetoric in the hopes of getting noticed. Good job. Oh no, you haven't specifically, just the whole lot of you collectively. No no, you've been very careful to avoid answering challenging questions and to mislead everyone into accepting some half-hearted attempt at apologising as something it is not. But I guess you've never been very good at apologies, have you Ivan? As for you accusing me of "interjecting pointless rhetoric in the hopes of getting noticed", well... That's almost as ironic as you trying to paint yourself as some sort of pioneering social reformer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 This.I agree that poaching is not morally wrong, but it's only pragmatic to be more intelligent about it. Sending in-game recruitment messages to people of other alliances = CB Talking to friends via IRC about how cool your alliance is, and letting them make up their own mind = No CB even if there's a log dump Method aside, no one's looking for a CB, as has been brought up countless times in this topic. TDO and NSO are handling the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Lol, why even bother reply to doitzel. He is doitzel, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookavich Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) You mean like the multiple times they did try to contact Ivan directly before making it public?You mean the multiple times they asked to talk to Ivan on IRC, and were told to shoot him a pm instead?Oh yes those !@#$%^& neutrals victimizing those poor good kids at NSO.They chose to air this publicly instead of trying to contact Ivan through pm. How is that different from the way I described it? Edited July 3, 2009 by cookavich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) You mean like the multiple times they did try to contact Ivan directly before making it public? Yeah, they tried to call him out on IRC after being told he doesn't go on IRC often. And then Ivan said a while back that he never got a message in-game, like TDO was told to do if they wanted to get in touch with him. EDIT: Damn, cookavich got it right before me. ^.^ Edited July 3, 2009 by Locke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Moldavi Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Oh no, you haven't specifically, just the whole lot of you collectively. No no, you've been very careful to avoid answering challenging questions and to mislead everyone into accepting some half-hearted attempt at apologising as something it is not. But I guess you've never been very good at apologies, have you Ivan?As for you accusing me of "interjecting pointless rhetoric in the hopes of getting noticed", well... That's almost as ironic as you trying to paint yourself as some sort of pioneering social reformer. Ah, then perhaps you could point out the horse you have in this race for us then. Oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Personally I think TDO should not have been drama llamas and should have just started recruiting from us. But thats just me. Edited July 3, 2009 by Count da Silva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankdolf Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 I for one applaud the end of the "private channels ftw" era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George the Great Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) No.I never asked anyone's permission to recruit from PoWs. I just decided that we would. Just making up crap for fun now? You sure about that, Ivan?  5:34p   (&Roquentin|Umbrella) [Lysotine|NSO] Also, is it cool with you guys if we try to recruit from Karma PoW as long as we tell them that they can't join until their 30 days is up? We have a fairly open membership policy and I am a known war profiteer. I think I even started pushing for us to recruit from the Karma POW AA a few days ago. Edited July 3, 2009 by George the Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Is there really anything more to discuss? Ivan has expressed regret over the situation now that TDO has sought to publicly humiliate the NSO in order to elicit an apology, instead of trying to contact Ivan directly. Now, all we have left is people flexing their new found political muscle in a situation they have no involvement in. I think it's time we call it a day. Ivan has expressed regret only over the reaction to this actions, not for his actions themselves - and you're right... how dare TDO make NSO's actions public knowledge. I mean it's not like they didn't try Private Channels, both IRC and PM, where they were met with aggression and disdain. And it's not like the NpO didn't express hostility as well saying that any retaliation against these acts would bring NpO's military into the equation - basically telling the world that the NpO supports these actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Lysotine wasn't asking for permission, just your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Oh no, you haven't specifically, just the whole lot of you collectively. No no, you've been very careful to avoid answering challenging questions and to mislead everyone into accepting some half-hearted attempt at apologising as something it is not. But I guess you've never been very good at apologies, have you Ivan?As for you accusing me of "interjecting pointless rhetoric in the hopes of getting noticed", well... That's almost as ironic as you trying to paint yourself as some sort of pioneering social reformer. Have you come here to die like the Jedi before you? This place is a graveyard for your kind. The call of Korriban is strong, but it is the call of the dead. It is fitting that you came here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Have you come here to die like the Jedi before you? This place is a graveyard for your kind. The call of Korriban is strong, but it is the call of the dead. It is fitting that you came here. Classic ad hominem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Lysotine wasn't asking for permission, just your opinion. So that's how you interpret "is it cool with you guys" in that context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookavich Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Ivan has expressed regret only over the reaction to this actions, not for his actions themselves - and you're right... how dare TDO make NSO's actions public knowledge. I mean it's not like they didn't try Private Channels, both IRC and PM, where they were met with aggression and disdain. And it's not like the NpO didn't express hostility as well saying that any retaliation against these acts would bring NpO's military into the equation - basically telling the world that the NpO supports these actions.What are you looking for? True repentance from Ivan? You'll be waiting for a long time.Also, it is like they didn't try PM. I certainly would be interested to see where my Emperor stated Polaris' stated such things, though. It seems like you have a few holes to plug. Classic ad hominem.You're a buzz kill. Edited July 3, 2009 by cookavich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejarue Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 And here I had such high hopes for NSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoralDecadence Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 You mean the multiple times they asked to talk to Ivan on IRC, and were told to shoot him a pm instead?They chose to air this publicly instead of trying to contact Ivan through pm. How is that different from the way I described it? I think Ivan should stop lying about his messages. TDO would have sent him a message somehow (read: ingame, forums, nso forums, whatever it would take) if NSO told them to. I know them well enough to know they'd go through all the hoops NSO put before them before making anything public. This was their last resort to get a real response from NSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George the Great Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Lysotine wasn't asking for permission, just your opinion. He asked us if it was cool, not if we thought it was cool. If he asked if we thought it was cool, you'd be correct. The wording is insinuating that its being "cool" or not was wholly up to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Ah, then perhaps you could point out the horse you have in this race for us then. Oh wait... Just as it is your way to prey upon the weak so it is ours to stand up for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warbuck Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 What are you looking for? True repentance from Ivan? You'll be waiting for a long time.Also, it is like they didn't try PM. I certainly would be interested to see where my Emperor stated Polaris' stated such things, though. It seems like you have a few holes to plug. You're a buzz kill. Beauchamp, our MoFA, sent Ivan a PM on CN, which I've been told, too this very moment, has not been opened yet. Yes, we did try to contact Moldavi, but to no avail, and we've had to go through other government officials. We are still in the process of talks right now. We are basically waiting on Moldavi to show that he supports the proposed agreements in place by his Darth Prophet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookavich Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Beauchamp, our MoFA, sent Ivan a PM on CN, which I've been told, too this very moment, has not been opened yet. Yes, we did try to contact Moldavi, but to no avail, and we've had to go through other government officials. We are still in the process of talks right now. We are basically waiting on Moldavi to show that he supports the proposed agreements in place by his Darth Prophet.Ah, well, people do go days without checking their actual nation. Edited July 3, 2009 by cookavich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 What are you looking for? True repentance from Ivan? You'll be waiting for a long time.Also, it is like they didn't try PM. I certainly would be interested to see where my Emperor stated Polaris' stated such things, though. It seems like you have a few holes to plug. The TDO has made it quite clear that they are looking for an apology from Ivan and from Dopp - neither has mustered anything other than a regret to the publics reaction to their failed attempt at "social change" - never mind the slander and insults thrown at TDO... 12:40 John_Rocker[NpO] Make no mistake any preemptive attacks on NSO will be met with our full military. If you want to take the diplomatic course here it will take time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethb Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Beauchamp, our MoFA, sent Ivan a PM on CN, which I've been told, too this very moment, has not been opened yet. Yes, we did try to contact Moldavi, but to no avail, and we've had to go through other government officials. We are still in the process of talks right now. We are basically waiting on Moldavi to show that he supports the proposed agreements in place by his Darth Prophet. Perhaps a screenie of the messgae? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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