Heracles the Great Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I go away for a week and I miss this gem? :shock: Listen to Bob, for he is wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emily Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Listen to Bob, for he is wise Should I assume from MHA's repeated attacks AFTER I have taken the time to PM my attackers explaining I have already reached ZI, That MHA is in fact instigating a perma ZI on my nation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Should I assume from MHA's repeated attacks AFTER I have taken the time to PM my attackers explaining I have already reached ZI, That MHA is in fact instigating a perma ZI on my nation? Can you provide screen shot verification of attacks taking place after PMs / peace offers were sent? If so, I think the question of a permanent zero-infrastructure sentence being enacted would be a legitimate one to ask. Edited July 2, 2009 by Tokugawa Mitsukuni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emily Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Can you provide screen shot verification of attacks taking place after PMs / peace offers were sent? If so, I think the question of a permanent zero-infrastructure sentence being enacted would be a legitimate one to ask. The screenshots aren't all that clear but: He had already done 3 attacks after ZIing me so I sent this then sent peace offers to all 3 attackers. To: Artanis From: emily Date: 7/1/2009 9:13:33 AMSubject: RE: Cruise Missile Attack Message: you could have stopped after this one - you ZId me! Screenshot: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dfnfz8fw_19hfpxf3db To: emily From: Artanis Date: 7/2/2009 9:00:17 AMSubject: Battle Report Message: You have been attacked by Artanis. You lost 17 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 15 soldiers and 1 tanks. Their forces razed 12.140 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $49,967.79 from you and you gained $0.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Defeat. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled. To: emily From: Artanis Date: 7/2/2009 9:00:26 AMSubject: Battle Report Message: You have been attacked by Artanis. You lost 5 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 7 soldiers and 6 tanks. Their forces razed 0.000 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $33,110.58 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Victory. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled. Screenshot: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfnfz8fw_15gsg2psc2&hl=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 This might be the instance of a member of MHA simply not having received the correct confirmation of orders from their commanding officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutterbug Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 All im in place to comment on right now is that WCR authorised attacks to continue. It wasnt until today the order came from Crush to halt. Got any further problems query either of those 2. Bringing it up in a dead thread wont solve nothing. Want your reasons ask them not here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emily Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 All im in place to comment on right now is that WCR authorised attacks to continue. It wasnt until today the order came from Crush to halt. Got any further problems query either of those 2. Bringing it up in a dead thread wont solve nothing. Want your reasons ask them not here. Erm... 30 minutes ago To: emily From: Farmer John Date: 7/2/2009 1:10:41 PMSubject: Battle Report Message: You have been attacked by Farmer John. You lost 17 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 41 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 11.550 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $17,002.78 from you and you gained $0.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Defeat. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled. To: emily From: Farmer John Date: 7/2/2009 1:10:51 PMSubject: Battle Report Message: You have been attacked by Farmer John. You lost 3 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 11 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 11.086 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $3,230.53 from you and you gained $0.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Defeat. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 All im in place to comment on right now is that WCR authorised attacks to continue. It wasnt until today the order came from Crush to halt. Got any further problems query either of those 2. Bringing it up in a dead thread wont solve nothing. Want your reasons ask them not here. If attacks have been authorized to continue despite Emily being reduced to zero-infrastructure that would constitute a sentence of permanent zero-infrastructure, would it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emily Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 If attacks have been authorized to continue despite Emily being reduced to zero-infrastructure that would constitute a sentence of permanent zero-infrastructure, would it not? I suppose I should be flattered? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutterbug Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 If attacks have been authorized to continue despite Emily being reduced to zero-infrastructure that would constitute a sentence of permanent zero-infrastructure, would it not? As i stated im in no place to comment as i dont know everything behind this. I provided the details of who issued what and who to contact for further questions. There is nothing more i can tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emily Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 As i stated im in no place to comment as i dont know everything behind this. I provided the details of who issued what and who to contact for further questions. There is nothing more i can tell you. But I am not able to contact them am i? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 As i stated im in no place to comment as i dont know everything behind this. I provided the details of who issued what and who to contact for further questions. There is nothing more i can tell you. Please don't take this the wrong way, but it might be best to cease commentary - while very well intentioned, you're not making things look very good for the Mostly Harmless Alliance right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutterbug Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 But I am not able to contact them am i? I fail to see how. Any nation can PM another nation ingame im sure you're aware of that, you also know who the nations are to contact so there is no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emily Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I fail to see how. Any nation can PM another nation ingame im sure you're aware of that, you also know who the nations are to contact so there is no problem. I understand I am on block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutterbug Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Well in that case all i can advise right now is to wait until a tri pops their head into here and makes a statemen, they have already been made aware its just a question of waiting until one comes on. Edit: After a query with emily on irc we have come to the conclusion it was a mix up. Timeline June 29th WCR issues continue attack order on Emily, Emily confirms she was not in a state of ZI at the time and accepts that. July 2nd after Emily has reached ZI Crush issues the stand down order. July 2nd between stand down order being issued and this now, all attacking parties had been pmed via the forums to stand down. Raco was also contacted on IRC and confirmed his stand down and artanis had already done his attacks before the order came. On the issue of Farmer John he didn't check his forum account before he launched attacks and has since been sent a message ingame also to confirm the stand down order. I can confirm we have issued a stand down order and now all 3 parties concerned in the attacks will be sending peace offers. I apologise for the mix up. Edited July 2, 2009 by scutterbug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emily Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Is it time for the group hug yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rune Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 On the issue of Farmer John he didn't check his forum account before he launched attacks and has since been sent a message ingame also to confirm the stand down order.I can confirm we have issued a stand down order and now all 3 parties concerned in the attacks will be sending peace offers. I apologise for the mix up. Would it not be a good idea, in the future, to send all such messages in-game? It would have avoided this mix-up and may help prevent future ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 If attacks have been authorized to continue despite Emily being reduced to zero-infrastructure that would constitute a sentence of permanent zero-infrastructure, would it not? If: "Permanent" means "anything that lasts for more than a single instant", "Zero" means "any little number", and "(MHA issued/sanctioned) sentence" means "any imaginable rationale wildly deducted from any set of actions that can be traced back to MHA members, without the need to inquiry what was the communication inbetween, who sent and read the PMs, how and when, etc." Then you're correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 If: "Permanent" means "anything that lasts for more than a single instant", "Zero" means "any little number", and "(MHA issued/sanctioned) sentence" means "any imaginable rationale wildly deducted from any set of actions that can be traced back to MHA members, without the need to inquiry what was the communication inbetween, who sent and read the PMs, how and when, etc." Then you're correct. I was more interested in the duration of the attacks and if more would be forthcoming - Scutterbug did an excellent job answering my question and confirming what I initially suspected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Merton Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I understand I am on block. I'm not blocking you, Emily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorum Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 I understand I am on block. Not to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Please don't take this the wrong way, but it might be best to cease commentary - while very well intentioned, you're not making things look very good for the Mostly Harmless Alliance right now. He answered in a perfectly reasonable manner, definitely more politely than what was deserved. It's not his fault you have a personal bias and completely diluted version of the facts. Do yourself a favor and don't ever tell my members what to do again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 He answered in a perfectly reasonable manner, definitely more politely than what was deserved. It's not his fault you have a personal bias and completely diluted version of the facts. Do yourself a favor and don't ever tell my members what to do again. Please don't presume my bias, and please take the time to differentiate between a suggestion and a commandment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Do neither towards my alliance and there'll be no more issues. We're done here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 If attacks have been authorized to continue despite Emily being reduced to zero-infrastructure that would constitute a sentence of permanent zero-infrastructure, would it not? There are I believe alot of active nations that are going through the same fate. I suggest we start raising voice to stop the PZIs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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