LeVentNoir Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 What is the point of that? Well lots of military and civilian tech is not cutting edge, simply because that would cost too much. it introduces a difference between for example, 2800 and 1600 tech. Tech years, they are only 7 apart. With this new thing, 80% of the 2800 army is at 2018, while only 40% of the 1600 tech nations army is at 2011, the rest is at 2006. This puts more of a gap between nations in the mid to upper ranges, and forces in a bit more realism. I mean, you might be typing this on a computer a year or two old, listening to a 5-10 year old stereo. A nation does not somehow magically keep up with the cutting edge in all areas, civilian or military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 The point is to make RP more interesting. Certainly when something is developed, it takes a little while for the entire nation to have access to it (for it to diffuse throughout the nation). This is due in part to who can afford it, and if it's made at better quality more efficiently, that means more people are going to be able to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silhouette Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 All I will say is that we need to make RP simpler, not bog it down with silly rules. I dont RP everything I own as being from 2002, most of my naval vessels, for example, were made in the late 80's and early 90's in real life. Sure, perhaps they have a couple of minor upgrades on when they were built, but essentially, they are the same ships now as they were when they were laid down. Cutting edge is not always better..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRCatD Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Isn't that already accounted for by the tech year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Isn't that already accounted for by the tech year? Isn't what accounted for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 The point is to make RP more interesting. Certainly when something is developed, it takes a little while for the entire nation to have access to it (for it to diffuse throughout the nation). This is due in part to who can afford it, and if it's made at better quality more efficiently, that means more people are going to be able to use it. Yes I acknowledge that, but most people seem to RP that every single aspect of their nation, army and research is exactly on the cutting edge of their tech level. Exactly 0 RL countries have everyone using their cutting edge tech right out of the lab. All I will say is that we need to make RP simpler, not bog it down with silly rules. I dont RP everything I own as being from 2002, most of my naval vessels, for example, were made in the late 80's and early 90's in real life. Sure, perhaps they have a couple of minor upgrades on when they were built, but essentially, they are the same ships now as they were when they were laid down. Cutting edge is not always better..... Well, the point is you are some of the few people who do that that smart route. Isn't that already accounted for by the tech year? No it isn't, as everyone thinks that their entire nation is at that year. Whereas, for example, the US is using a assault rifle from the 1950s. Most RPers seem to think that they can have the best of the best in all aspects. This is also a nice little way of showing what you can and can't afford without mucking around with numbers, as more advanced nations (which have more infra = more $$) can afford to spread more advanced technologies through a larger part of their nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRCatD Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) "that" = "Certainly when something is developed, it takes a little while for the entire nation to have access to it (for it to diffuse throughout the nation)." IRT LVN: I see. I still think there is probably a way that can do it without imposing something systematic. IMO, the less systematic RP gets, the more freedom there is. Edited January 14, 2009 by XRCatD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Yes I acknowledge that, but most people seem to RP that every single aspect of their nation, army and research is exactly on the cutting edge of their tech level. Exactly 0 RL countries have everyone using their cutting edge tech right out of the lab. The point wasn;t directed specifically at you. I know YOU are a responsible RP'er... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'd have to see the LVT's suggestion in action before I could give an informed opinion regarding it. On the surface it seems quite logical, but the counter-arguments are compelling as well. Sitting on the fence is good enough for me... (Though I'll jump to either side for 3 million in game ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'll play by my own rules even if nobody else will. (although it will make very little difference...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Though.. I think I'll say openly that LVT ought to be commended for bringing something special to his RP. I'm curious to see how he games it out in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Just some thing, my abbreviation is LVN, not LVT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 LVN.. gotcha.. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 0 : 1910 : 0 % : 1905 : 100%400 : 1993 : 10 % : 1988 : 90% 800 : 2002 : 20 % : 1997 : 80% 1200 : 2007 : 30 % : 2002 : 70% 1600 : 2011 : 40 % : 2006 : 60% 2000 : 2014 : 50 % : 2009 : 50% 2400 : 2016 : 60 % : 2011 : 40% 2800 : 2018 : 70 % : 2013 : 30% 3200 : 2020 : 80 % : 2015 : 20% 3600 : 2022 : 90 % : 2017 : 10% 4000 : 2023 : 100 % : 2018 : 0% Thoughts? I think that's unnecessary, introducing an unneeded additional rule. I simply don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Personally, I think it's just too damn complicated. At least clean it up so I can read it without looking at the guide every 5 minutes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Frost Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I have no thoughts on this, as I'm going to continue doing what I've been doing since the beginning of my time here in RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Andres Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'll play by my own rules even if nobody else will. (although it will make very little difference...) There you go You should adopt whichever rules you think will make your RP more interesting. Now I more or less just use "modern" equipment anyway, so this wouldn't influence my RP that much, but good work on coming up with a system that provides further depth for those who wish to use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'm inclined to think the few communist sympathizers would have gone to the USSR, not China. that's why I used China in the comparison, not the USSR, specifically. I'm sure most of them would have, however, when you have a population of millions, you're bound to get a handful going to countries you wouldn't have suspected them to, such as China (or in Sumeragi's case, Rockport). No, there never has been. The two most powerful Catholic countries, Tahoe and Viniland, (no offense RV ) have an agreement not to recognize a Pope and instead treat him as a non-entity in RP, removed from the world and safe in the Vatican City away from politics. I see myself more as an anti-Pope anyway. I still have no idea how I got recognized anyway, but hey, whatever works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerreyRough Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I won't use that system. Too many rules = less fun RP. Of course, if their optional, then I have no problem with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'm sure most of them would have, however, when you have a population of millions, you're bound to get a handful going to countries you wouldn't have suspected them to, such as China (or in Sumeragi's case, Rockport). The problem with that is that the US has a population in the hundreds of millions. DKT had less than a million, thereby reducing the odds even further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 The problem with that is that the US has a population in the hundreds of millions. DKT had less than a million, thereby reducing the odds even further. Sumeragi claims to have a population of over 50 million. Granted it may not be as large as the United States, but it is still a pretty large population. She's going to have a few people going to Rockport whether she likes it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Sumeragi claims to have a population of over 50 million. Granted it may not be as large as the United States, but it is still a pretty large population. She's going to have a few people going to Rockport whether she likes it or not. Sorry, I meant less than a hundred million. My mind was clearly elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Frost Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Sorry, I meant less than a hundred million. My mind was clearly elsewhere. that is a substantial difference. RV's point is still very valid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Sorry, I meant less than a hundred million. My mind was clearly elsewhere. Even so, fifty million is an incredibly large population. In the real world that would rank amongst the top twenty-five most populous nations. Suppose South Korea, which has a population close to fifty million, for some reason dissolved and everyone living there fled (which seems rather odd, since I'm more than certain a good number of people would stay), I can guarantee you that at least a handful (and quite possibly at least 100), would end up in every single country in the world, no matter how odd some locations may seems (Uruguay, Burundi, Moldova, etc.) for whatever reason. Especially if the standards of livings are high, as in Rockport (more than just 12 would be immigrating there actually). But yes, I think it is quite safe to say that people would be going just about everywhere. Although I have to point this one thing out. It is rather generous of us to be allowing Sumeragi to have her entire population leaving to begin with. In the real world populations that large do not just get up and move, and in no case can a population that large move so easily as Sumeragi's did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Frost Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) Even so, fifty million is an incredibly large population. In the real world that would rank amongst the top twenty-five most populous nations. Suppose South Korea, which has a population close to fifty million, for some reason dissolved and everyone living there fled (which seems rather odd, since I'm more than certain a good number of people would stay), I can guarantee you that at least a handful (and quite possibly at least 100), would end up in every single country in the world, no matter how odd some locations may seems (Uruguay, Burundi, Moldova, etc.) for whatever reason. Especially if the standards of livings are high, as in Rockport (more than just 12 would be immigrating there actually).But yes, I think it is quite safe to say that people would be going just about everywhere. Although I have to point this one thing out. It is rather generous of us to be allowing Sumeragi to have her entire population leaving to begin with. In the real world populations that large do not just get up and move, and in no case can a population that large move so easily as Sumeragi's did. you are under a silly impression that we are allowing her to claim to have even have had 50 million to begin with. I would think that nuclear annihilation would substantially reduce any population Edited January 15, 2009 by Lord Frost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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