Sjeohp Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 (edited) Nation: Ohpia Infra: 2889.99 Happiness: 42.09 Citizens: 33,248 Avg. Gross Income Per Individual Per Day: $262.96 Avg. Individual Income Taxes Paid Per Day: $73.63 +1 Happiness = +$4.14 gross. Stock Market: +$10.00 gross = 10 x 0.28 x 33,248 = +$93,094 income per day That's the equivalent of +2.42 happiness. Only just better than a Police HQ. Social Security System: +2% tax rate = 0.02 x 262.96 x 33,248 = +$174,857.88 income per day Great Temple: +5 happiness = 5 x 4.14 x 0.28 x 33,248 = +$192,705.41 income per day For the sake of starting the cycle early, I plan on pausing at 2999.99 infra and saving for my first wonder. I've heard talk of buying a Stock Market first if you're below 4000 infra and buying a Social Security System otherwise, but as far as I can tell, Stock Markets are !@#$ and a Great Temple would be better than either for me. I'm quite sure my maths is wrong somewhere so can someone please enlighten me? Chur chur Edit: Ok, just read another thread and realised the +$10.00 is subject to modifiers, etc. so it comes out being exactly the same as GT but cheaper. Don't worry :-D Edited April 11, 2008 by Sjeohp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myruler Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Due to your edit, yes Stock Markets are the best first wonder in almost all cases. SSS should be second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genzod Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 2999.99 infra is way too early. You'd be better off sinking that $30-$35M into extra infrastructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I'd wait till you hit 3999.99 infra to start buying wonders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Walker Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 (edited) I have waited abit too long to buy my first wonder, I'm now on 4999.99 infra but I'm not going to make the infra jump till after I have both The Stock Market and The Social Security System. Which would be best for me to buy first? Edited April 11, 2008 by jonwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Rupert Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Depends on if you have the money for either right now. If you have the money right now to buy either, buy the SSS. It will make you marginally more money than the SM. If you have to save up the money, you'll want to start your wonder cycle as soon as possible particularly since you're going to wait until you have both, buy the SM. It's $10 million cheaper and you won't have to save as long which means starting the 30 day wonder cycle and getting to the second wonder sooner. And it's only marginally less income and the SM has the best benefit to cost ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Walker Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 (edited) Well I don't have all the money to purchase either yet, so Stock Market it is when I do. Thanks for the help. Edited April 11, 2008 by jonwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itzan Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 A Question about the SSS. Does it reduce the happiness penalties on all taxes? Or just let you add +2% for no additional penalties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 30% taxes with happiness penalty = 28% happiness penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorr Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 SSS is usually best to get first not the stock market but that depends on how much you make. Though you shouldn't be buying any wonder until around 4000 infra and making a good 2 million a day after taxes. Also stock market and great temple are exact same thing but the temple lets you stop worrying about figuring out which religion your people prefer. I would get the great temple before a stock market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 An excerpt from my CN Word document: Wonder Cutoffs: SSS and +5 happiness/+$10 wonders (with perfect multipliers): Under $290.50, +5 happiness/+$10 wonders are better. Above $290.50, the SSS is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotu Matua Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 An excerpt from my CN Word document:Wonder Cutoffs: SSS and +5 happiness/+$10 wonders (with perfect multipliers): Under $290.50, +5 happiness/+$10 wonders are better. Above $290.50, the SSS is better. That's gross income, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 That's gross income, right? Yes it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myruler Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 An excerpt from my CN Word document:Wonder Cutoffs: SSS and +5 happiness/+$10 wonders (with perfect multipliers): Under $290.50, +5 happiness/+$10 wonders are better. Above $290.50, the SSS is better. That may be true, but Stock Market is better than SSS as a first wonder in 99% of the cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepthinker Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 stock market is trash. I'd get it last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 That may be true, but Stock Market is better than SSS as a first wonder in 99% of the cases. Yes, but only because you can start the wonder buying earlier since it's $10 million cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Aldarich Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 stock market is trash. I'd get it last. If you're going to say something like that at least give reasoning behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turetel Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 (edited) I believe Stock Market would also serve to help a nation in anarchy or nuclear anarchy or whatever anarchy you are in since you will lose happiness in anarchy, but the stock markets +10(...) would stay on. So I guess that might be one reason to choose it. Edited April 19, 2008 by Turetel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myruler Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 What are you guys talking about? If you've played the game long enough to consider buying wonders, you should know that the Stock Market is the best economic first wonder. This is true in 95% of the cases. The only two reasons I think someone might not buy a Stock Market first are: 1. You have the money to purchase a SSS. However, if you have the money currently to purchase it, the question is, why didn't you buy the Stock Market days ago? 2. Someone pays you to buy a wonder. This one I haven't seen as much, but it was just an interesting idea I had thought of if you have someone you trust. I'll probably get shot down on this one by someone on something I forgot, but oh well. Has anyone tried to find a permanent donation seller? Let's say donations are 12m a piece now. If you send them 25mil to buy a FAC and then waste 2 slots a month on donations instead of 4, you might be able to pay the FAC back in a few months. Just an idea that came to my head. Stock Market is the cheapest "good" wonder and the $10mil lower purchase price helps people start the wonder cycle 2-5 days earlier at the time they start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireguy15207 Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 (edited) From how I've come to understand it was, Stock Market, SSS, National Lab, DRA, Internet/Temple/Monument (they all have the same effect and same price). Reasoning behind that is because Stock Market allows you to start the wonder cycle sooner (at least 2-5 days sooner) and it gives the best economic benefits with a lower price. As someone said (I forget who, but I'm sure they were from MHA ), it has the best cost/benefits ratio out of them all. EDIT: It was Count Rupert who said it. Edited April 19, 2008 by fireguy15207 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Pitt Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 stock market isnt the best wonder, its good for smaller nations... it has no immediate effects, but in the long run its good... short run its a waste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Rupert Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 stock market isnt the best wonder, its good for smaller nations...it has no immediate effects, but in the long run its good... short run its a waste This is a puzzling statement to say the least. How is not receiving $20.75 added to gross citizen income and the corresponding $5.81 per citizen in additional collection per day not immediate? There is nothing that happens later with SM that doesn't occur on day one. It has the exact same benefit as the Internet or any of the other +5 happiness wonders for $5 million less in cost meaning it has a better benefit to cost ratio. For a nation around the 4k jump looking to buy it's first wonder; it makes only marginally less money than the Social Security System for $10 million less money. Given the need to start your wonder cycle as quickly as possible over the time it needs to save for either the SM or the SSS, SM is THE best wonder to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondock Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 stock market isnt the best wonder, its good for smaller nations...it has no immediate effects, but in the long run its good... short run its a waste There is no wonder that is good in the short run. Wonders take months to pay off. Stock market is not the BEST WONDER. There is no BEST WONDER. As you buy wonders to fit your needs. The stock market should be bought at 3999.99 infra, and the remaining money you have (10mil) as opposed to buying SSS is better spent on infra. It will make you more money in both the long and short run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 From how I've come to understand it was, Stock Market, SSS, National Lab, DRA, Internet/Temple/Monument (they all have the same effect and same price).Reasoning behind that is because Stock Market allows you to start the wonder cycle sooner (at least 2-5 days sooner) and it gives the best economic benefits with a lower price. As someone said (I forget who, but I'm sure they were from MHA ), it has the best cost/benefits ratio out of them all. EDIT: It was Count Rupert who said it. National Lab isn't 3rd. The NRL is only better than other +5 happiness/+$10 wonders if your citizens make $415 gross or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceArutha Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 2999.99 infra is way too early. You'd be better off sinking that $30-$35M into extra infrastructure. Infrastructure can be destroyed in a war. Stock Markets cannot. In the long run buying wonders as soon as you can will be better. Wonders are also time constricted whereas buying infra is not. Imagine even in war, how much stronger he would be at his level than everyone else if he had wonders. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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