DUN *DUN* /DUN/

[King James XVIII]

Best war I've had in a good while in TE, James. o/

I loved our war :)

o/

[paul711]

Just for the record, TPC isn't harboring rogues. Unless of course, this is the awkward moment I find out I've been COUPED and policy changes have been made. :P

something is wrong then because it appears that you are
harboring people that send rogues.

[hartfw]

Just for the record, TPC isn't harboring rogues. Unless of course, this is the awkward moment I find out I've been COUPED and policy changes have been made. :P

 

As mentioned on irc, your gov has announced they accepted someone that your gov believed either was at war with us (Zul), or was sending rogues to us (E).  In addition, you had a member while a member admit to sending a rogue at us.  Maybe you picked a terrible day to be away, but you also picked terrible gov with the ability to accept members.

 

A peaceful solution was given to all.  Stevie G accepted it while under TPC's banner.  If it doesn't play out that way, its a shame and one not on us.

[hartfw]

And lo and behold, more empty promises.  We will defend ourselves.

[Auctor]

Well that was a fun waste of an evening.


mene mene tekel upharsin.

[Caliph]

en garde!

[StevieG]

And lo and behold, more empty promises.  We will defend ourselves.

Seems to me that bomb broke the agreement.

 

 

As mentioned on irc, your gov has announced they accepted someone that your gov believed either was at war with us (Zul), or was sending rogues to us (E).  In addition, you had a member while a member admit to sending a rogue at us.  Maybe you picked a terrible day to be away, but you also picked terrible gov with the ability to accept members.

 

A peaceful solution was given to all.  Stevie G accepted it while under TPC's banner.  If it doesn't play out that way, its a shame and one not on us.

Care to back up your claims with facts?

[hartfw]

So: 

 

Subject: ABORT MISSION

Message: Dont nuke them, send peace.

 

 

Has become

 

 

He may have run attacks and not accepted peace yeah.

 

Well, at least we are being clear.

[StevieG]

Again, check the nuke screens. Bomb nuked him, and he replied in fashion.

 

To: Carl Sagan    From: Yours Truly    Date: 5/17/2014 11:11:50 PM

Subject: RE: ABORT MISSION

 

Message: dont nuke. but hold them in war for now ok.

No peace. just dont fight.

Edited May 18, 2014 by StevieG

[Auctor]

To put a point on it, your man launched attacks and we defended ourselves. Not only was this "rogue" under your orders, he only "didn't follow" them when you *didn't want* him to.

Say what you will about TEPD, we'd've slammed you ourselves and not hid behind a shield of chickenshit.

[hartfw]

Again, check the nuke screens. Bomb nuked him, and he replied in fashion.

 

 

Well, I guess the problem is you are saying one thing to him, and telling us you said another:

 

[00:12:16] Stevie peace out and he will

[StevieG]

I didnt receive any peace offers.

 

As such as an insurance I told him not to nuke, but to hold the warslot.

 

As you said, certain things are not in your control, and it appears bomb went and did his own thing.

[Auctor]

He retalliated to attacks your man launched on all of us. You said one thing, another happened, and surprise, we dealt with it.

[StevieG]

Hart agreed to peace. Bomb then nuked him, when it was clear he wasnt nuking you. He replied in fashion.

 

You are the ones complaining

[hartfw]

So, to review:

 

For Stevie G he will accept peace means he will reject peace offers, hold the war slots and run attacks

For TPC, we don't harbor rogues means we will accept people we will admit to know to be leading them

 

Good show.

[Auctor]

To: Cunctator From: Carl Sagan Date: 5/18/2014 12:14:41 AM

Subject: Escorted Bombing Attack Report

Message: A fighter escorted bombing run has been launched against your nation by Carl Sagan. In the attack you lost 9 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 24.46 infrastructure. You destroyed 0 attacking bombers. You lost 0 fighter aircraft and destroyed 0 fighter aircraft launched by Carl Sagan. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

To: Cunctator From: Carl Sagan Date: 5/18/2014 12:16:02 AM

Subject: Escorted Bombing Attack Report

Message: A fighter escorted bombing run has been launched against your nation by Carl Sagan. In the attack you lost 24 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 24.46 infrastructure. You destroyed 0 attacking bombers. You lost 0 fighter aircraft and destroyed 0 fighter aircraft launched by Carl Sagan. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

Bomb nukes at 12:20:59 AM.

So yeah, please remind us again how peace was agreed to and you intended to honor it. That doesn't seem to be something you'd lie over and over about.

[StevieG]

18/05/2014 4:12:08 p.m.21<Stevie>1 sagan wont nuke

18/05/2014 4:12:13 p.m.21<Stevie>1 peace out and he will

18/05/2014 4:12:17 p.m.21<Stevie>1 later

18/05/2014 4:49:08 p.m.21<Stevie>1 u gonna tell ur guys to peace or what?

 

No peace offers incoming yet, still being attacked.

 

Bottom line is, You nuked him, then he broke the non nuke order

[ChessTyrant]

Here's how things appear to have gone down: StevieG is the instigator of the recent rogue attacks on TEPD. Yesterday, StevieG applied to TPC, and his application was not accepted by gov (and would have ultimately been denied). However, StevieG convinced one TPC player (Therm, who had in-game recruitment roles despite not being a member of the governing council) to accept his application without the governing council's knowledge or approval. 

 

StevieG was removed from TPC before the update passed, and in the future we'll be less lazy about who ends up with the in-game alliance management controls. 

[Auctor]

In TE, alliances are commonly responsible for the acts of their members. There is no "oh, he's not government so it doesn't count!" defense. Not one that holds any weight at any rate.

Even if we were to take what you are saying at face value, and honestly, this situation has really left me with more questions than assurances, TPC is still responsible for what Therm did. The problem with that narrative, however, is that last night, yall seemed to know exactly what was going on - the part yall found confusing was that we responded to it as a breach of the peace.

[Gh0s7]

-Launches attacks-

-Gets nuked for it-

"You broke peace."

 

Uh huh...

 

Just a word of advice. 1.) Don't rogue in TE if you can't handle the consequences, and 2.) Stop getting so worked up over your nation man. It's TE. It's gone in a few weeks.

Edited May 18, 2014 by Gh0s7

[Einer]

Nobody flying the TPC flag declared war on any of your nations. Therm did not even accept somebody with a pre-existing active war on your nations. If you'd come to government with your concerns, we would have been happy to address them. Or if you'd waited until I logged in for update, when I would have seen who'd just been added to our alliance list, I would have handled this matter myself (since I'd seen the thinly veiled threats being exchanged on here, and wanted no part in the bullshit).

Edited May 18, 2014 by Einer

[hartfw]

Nobody flying the TPC flag declared war on any of your nations. Therm did not even accept somebody with a pre-existing active war on your nations. If you'd come to government with your concerns, we would have been happy to address them. Or if you'd waited until I logged in for update, when I would have seen who'd just been added to our alliance list, I would have handled this matter myself.

 

KJ was messaged.  We told you we would hold attacks and hope it could be resolved.  

 

Everyone admits to know that Stevie G was behind the roguing of us (including him), and Therm even said he thought Bad Co was still at war with TE Police and went ahead and accepted Stevie G anyway.  At best you have a rogue member who happens to also be your alliance owner ingame.

 

Meanwhile, Stevie G left of his own volition, after agreeing to a deal to spare TPC attacks.  If Stevie G is this completely independent rogue, he is doing one hell of a job (with inside help) of making you guys look complicit as all heck.

[Einer]

 

We told you we would hold attacks and hope it could be resolved.  

 

There are 12 attack messages in my inbox that dispute that statement. And KJ is out of town - you should have come in IRC and said something, or else PMed more people.

 

If Stevie G is this completely independent rogue, he is doing one hell of a job (with inside help) of making you guys look complicit as all heck.

 

Now you're just being silly. He's been periodically fucking with our alliance since round...17? At least? He probably sees this as a feature, not a bug.

[Auctor]

When your members screw around with us, the onus isn't on us to clear that up with you. It's on you to run your damned alliance properly.

[dogbite]

You don,t feel like you did enough damage to us in the police action so you use this to setup a curb stomp to end our round i think.