UN Security Council Discussion

[lkfht]

"You don't need an assault ship to deploy engineers. Further fighting a bunch of teenagers high on khat and Che Guevaran romanticism shooting AKs that can't hit the broadside of a barn hardly qualifies as a reason to deploy strategic assets into the Indian Ocean or reasons for us to amend our policies compared to longer term security trends and interests."

The Paraguayan government condems such comments considering tens of thousands of innocent civilians have died in this armed conflict. International forces are in the region with different nations' citizens putting their lives on the line in order to keep the peace in accordance with a resolution approved by Tianxia as a permenant UNSC member. It's cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

- UN Ambassador Silandra Lopez

[Evangeline Anovilis]

"The UN resolution permitted willing member states to intervene in the civil war in Rhodesia. We may remind our fellow UN members that in no way does this mandate grant imunity to existing policies linked to individual members national security and the objection by Tianxia is more than justified, given it is a longstanding policy and troop transport duties could be done via cheaper means with less offensive force projection capability. Especially as Norse soldiers need not even assault some beaches, but only sail to a friendly port and unload. The policy was known prior to this incident, there were alternative options available and when the Norse leadership disregards these facts, it is no wonder they will be treaded with hostility due to unauthorised violation of Tianxian sovereignity. We would like members however to refrain from escalating an incident over a pacification mission into a new conflict.

 

On the comment of the Paraguayan representative, we would like to note that Tianxia does actually contribute to this mission. It is cooperating. This does however not mean one can violate long-standing Tianxian security policies."

-Katsura Kaede, permanent representative of the Dai-Tōhoku Renpō

[Triyun]

"First I'm not discrediting an atrocity.  I'm saying from a military standpoint they are incompetent.  Shooting up a bunch of unarmed civilians doesn't require much skill.  But you don't need to be Earl Hancock Ellis to know that hitting a land locked country does not require an amphibious ship and moving the amphibious ship rather than flying the planes is less timely.

 

There's a big map of the World.  Europe is up top here.  Africa's really far down here.  To get to Africa by way of Denmark with a bunch of men you either have to take a boat, go all the way around Europe and Africa, or take a plane.  If Genocide's such a pressing concern you from the extra bucks and take a plane.  You don't put a strategic asset into the region.  

 

Thirdly, any argument about Tianxia not valuing a tragedy when we're the ones on the frontline of combat is simply stupid.  I would suggest hat the delegates who don't understand that in order to win wars you need to find the enemy, shoot them, and kill them, and then kill whomever takes their place, not worry about hurt feelings go back to skill."

[lkfht]

" Thirdly, any argument about Tianxia not valuing a tragedy when we're the ones on the frontline of combat is simply stupid. I would suggest hat the delegates who don't understand that in order to win wars you need to find the enemy, shoot them, and kill them, and then kill whomever takes their place, not worry about hurt feelings go back to skill."

Last time I checked, the UNSC resolution authorized a peacekeeping mission, not a declaration of war.
- UN Ambassador Silandra Lopez

[Evangeline Anovilis]

"Last time we checked, the insurgents were armed and shooting civilians. Of course, we could nicely ask them over a cup of tea to cease such atrocities and to go back to their peaceful lives, but as it is to be doubted that this'd yield any success, the mission is authorised to take action against the rebels that threaten Rhodesian peace. If you want to call it peace keeping or a war on criminal insurgents is a matter not of importance."

-Katsura Kaede, permanent representative of the Dai-Tōhoku Renpō

[Captain Enema]

"What concerns Legion is the lack of investigation we've put into this entire situation. What is motivating these insurgents? There was already one issue with the government of Rhodesia attempting to pack in as many white faces as they could get away with. Has there been any other incidents of outright violence from the rebels?

 

Can we possibly consider speaking with them and ascertaining their grievances? Something tells me the government of Rhodesia which has been somewhat absent from these proceedings of late might well be more involved in the causal factors of this entire mess than they are letting on.

 

As for the Norse, would it be possible for them dock in Legion territory and fly into Rhodesia as a means of settling this dispute?"

 

[Zoot Zoot]

The LPD carry's exactly one Battalion of marines, to the man, with all the room for the gear needed to carry out their mission. As pointed out by the Japanese representative, we do not need to assault beaches, but land at a friendly port. Which was the plan, as previously stated, to land in Beira City and travel overland to the conflict zone. Once disembarking had been completed and forward bases established, the warships would sail home and further supplies would arrive via the Paraguayan airbase.

 

It was never our intention to cause offence or alarm by entering the Indian, it was simply assumed that whilst operating as part of a multinational UN force, that we would be permitted to use a Port in the Indian ocean due to the close proximity to the conflict zone.

[Triyun]

The Empire would remind everyone of the terms of the Cape Town Peace Treaty which ended the African War.  Most especially we'd remind them of Article III:  "Article III: The regions of Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Uganda, and Kenya are to be considered a 'Strategic Zone of Interest' by Tianxia, and will be administered as such and without interference."  Any attempt to land within that strategic zone of interest (which still requires crossing the Indian incidently) would be taken as the most grievous offense and insult by the Empire.

[Zoot Zoot]

Beira City is in Mozambique

[Triyun]

"What concerns Legion is the lack of investigation we've put into this entire situation. What is motivating these insurgents? There was already one issue with the government of Rhodesia attempting to pack in as many white faces as they could get away with. Has there been any other incidents of outright violence from the rebels?

 

Can we possibly consider speaking with them and ascertaining their grievances? Something tells me the government of Rhodesia which has been somewhat absent from these proceedings of late might well be more involved in the causal factors of this entire mess than they are letting on.

 

As for the Norse, would it be possible for them dock in Legion territory and fly into Rhodesia as a means of settling this dispute?"

 

[Zoot Zoot]

Docking in Legion territory would mean sailing further into the Indian ocean, and then close to the actual listed regions Tianxia provided. Mozambique is not on that list. None of this has explained, why we were referred to as a hostile navy when the forces in question, were operating in concert with other UN forces and clearly marked as such?

[Centurius]

"It seems apparent that to the Tianxian authorities any naval force not allied to them is considered hostile, this Security Council is not designed to settle disputes over semantics. Furthermore we question why your forces needed to enter the Indian Ocean considering there were Athenian facilities on the Atlantic side much easier to reach from Denmark"

[Zoot Zoot]

"Because it would of taken far longer to move the forces across the continent."

Edited November 24, 2013 by Zoot Zoot

[iamthey]

An austrian diplomat entered the discussion chamber with a sizable cardboard diagram tucked under his arm. Before reaching his destination an assistant scurried in behind him with a tripod which he hastily set up. Arriving in near perfect time, the diplomat left the poster on its stand before turning to exit.

The Opposition:

Edited November 24, 2013 by iamthey

[Yawoo]

The Prussian representative would lightly tap his microphone to ensure it was in fine working order before speaking, "Prussia too would like clarification from the Empire of Tianxia, will ships flying the banner of the United Nations be classified as hostile when operating in the international waters of the Indian Ocean?"

[Evangeline Anovilis]

"Dai-Tōhoku would like to have the Austrian poster framed and put up in the UNSC Conference Room. We would think this demonstrates that Austrians indeed have humour."

-Katsura Kaede, permanent representative of the Dai-Tōhoku Renpō

[Triyun]

Vetoed.

[Evangeline Anovilis]

"I guess we're stuck with that Phoenix then..."

-Katsura Kaede, permanent representative of the Dai-Tōhoku Renpō

[Sarah Tintagyl]

Aquitaine would like to apply for UN membership.

[Triyun]

Tianxia recognizes and approves of the bid.

[Lord Zephyr]

The Republica would like to bring to light the recent aggression by the Dai-Tohoku into Republica territory. This aggression was started with no communication with the Republica and comes at a time of political change in South America. We believe they wish to take advantage of the recent fall of Argentina to grab land that rightfully belongs to the Republica as a protectorate for new nations to arise from.

Edited November 26, 2013 by Lord Zephyr

[Triyun]

Tianxia does not recall any resolution or claim to Republica of that territory, however, Tianxia does remember considerable history of Republica making mad rants against our nation.  Does it have any proof of impropriety by Dai Tohoku?

[PresidentDavid]

The Prussian representative would lightly tap his microphone to ensure it was in fine working order before speaking, "Prussia too would like clarification from the Empire of Tianxia, will ships flying the banner of the United Nations be classified as hostile when operating in the international waters of the Indian Ocean?"

[Triyun]

Ships from nations with whom Tianxia has poor relations will be treated as hostile. Ships who Tianxia has cordial relations with will be treated as friendly.  Flags do not matter.  The exception remains submarines, as non may enter without our expressed consent.

Edited November 26, 2013 by Triyun

[Lord Zephyr]

Tianxia does not recall any resolution or claim to Republica of that territory, however, Tianxia does remember considerable history of Republica making mad rants against our nation.  Does it have any proof of impropriety by Dai Tohoku?

We'd like to see this "considerable history" as the only mad rant, as you say, we can think of is one in the very youth of our nation which we apologized for after the invasion of Venezuala was clarified by you and your allies. We've been nothing but supportive of Tianxia's efforts in Bolivia and have fully embraced the UNSC's authority which is why we came to you today.

 

When Argentina fell into anarchy as part of the South American Organizations anarchy clause it became a South American Organization protectorate. When we dissolved the South American Organization due to lack of member states the Argentinian territory became a part of the larger Republica protectorate that replaced the former Organizations protectorate. This has all happened very quickly and in the time it takes to move troops into the protectorates the Dai Tohoku moved their own troops into the territory without our consent.

Edited November 26, 2013 by Lord Zephyr