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UN Security Council has primary responsibility for managing international peace and security in the World.  Members states, are allowed to observe the council unless selected for membership.  All binding resolutions are enforced with the full weight of international law, and all nations are expected to comply.  Any nation may petition the UN Security Council for protection in the event of aggression, victimized and marginalized groups within a country may also petition.

 

UN Security Council Docket:

 

Item 1:

 

Nominations of members from different regions:

 

Nomination Proposal put forth by Tianxia Delegation:

 

Dejure recognition of the Empire of Tianxia, Czardom of Greater Russia, Athenian Federation as permanent members with the option of adding two more later per terms of an American or British state justifying membership.

 

Appointment of a regional representative elected by member states from each region defined as Indo-Pacific Asia, Africa, Europe, South America, and North America.

 

Ayes:  Tianxia

Nays:

 

 

Item 2:

 

Initiative for the Reduction of threats posed by nuclear weapons.

 

Proposal put forth by Tianxia:

 

Resolution is a binding resolution prohibiting states from developing nuclear weapons outside of the NPT and capping current nuclear arsenals at the current amount with the intention of reduction.  Recent nuclear powers attempting a break out capacity will be subject to embargo of all nuclear material and technology, including that that cannot be used to develop nuclear device. Testing of any nuclear or radiological device is prohibited.  Nations which flaunt the ban and nations which support them in their nuclear arsenals or in supporting technologies for delivering arsenals and conducting nuclear war to include capabilities for targeting, communication, and intelligence collection will be open to punitive action by military forces acting under the authority implicit in this resolution.

 

Ayes:  Tianxia

Nays:  

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Public Announcement:

 

The Paraguayan government does not recognize the jurisdiction of this Security Council to enforce resolutions upon non-member states.

Paraguay will continue to observe the current military engagements in Bolivia and will also reiterate that if Paraguay's sovereignty or the SAO's is threatened, it will be considered an act of war.

 

- Secretary of State Celestina Scavo

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Nordboerne Kongedømme likewise rejects the authority of this council to impose resolutions on non member states.

 

With both Russia and Athens in close proximity to our nation, it would be far more rational for our nation to seek arbitration from these two powers outside the scope of the United Nations authority due to the locality and we will do so accordingly.

 

But for the record, Nordboerne Kongedømme does support nuclear disarmament.

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"The Dai-Tōhoku Renpō reluctantly acknowledges the United Nations. While we ourself have reservations, these stem mostly from our concerns over the future of the organisation and the uncertainty about the way it will be executed. However, we see great potential in the UN and would hope others see suchj potential too and acknowledge it.

 

There can be no debate about the existence of a world order, which is undeniable reality. This world order, which originates in a coalition of the willing and able and which is actively enforced already today influences our world massively. In this regard, the formalisation and institutionalisation of the status quo should not be seen as an "additional burden", for it is not. Rather, this organisation should be seen as what it is, the chance to have an international forum and an international arbitration that no longer is made entirely in the shadows, away from the rest of the world.

 

We thus would like to know what kind of UN Charta is going to be adopted."

-Omura Junichi, Prime Minister

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"The Dai-Tōhoku Renpō reluctantly acknowledges the United Nations. While we ourself have reservations, these stem mostly from our concerns over the future of the organisation and the uncertainty about the way it will be executed. However, we see great potential in the UN and would hope others see suchj potential too and acknowledge it.

 

There can be no debate about the existence of a world order, which is undeniable reality. This world order, which originates in a coalition of the willing and able and which is actively enforced already today influences our world massively. In this regard, the formalisation and institutionalisation of the status quo should not be seen as an "additional burden", for it is not. Rather, this organisation should be seen as what it is, the chance to have an international forum and an international arbitration that no longer is made entirely in the shadows, away from the rest of the world.

 

We thus would like to know what kind of UN Charta is going to be adopted."

-Omura Junichi, Prime Minister

 

This is only possible if ALL nations have equal representation and say on ALL matters.

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This is only possible if ALL nations have equal representation and say on ALL matters.

Can one assume Paraguay prefers the continuation of informal world order to formal world order? This idea of yours would hold if you had equal represenation right now, but we don't think this is the case, is it?

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Can one assume Paraguay prefers the continuation of informal world order to formal world order? This idea of yours would hold if you had equal represenation right now, but we don't think this is the case, is it?

[OOC- um... not sure what you mean?]

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[OOC- um... not sure what you mean?]

OOC: Exactly what I said. Though I'm tired and currently unwilling to explain this in OOC. But I don't think it is hard to grasp and if you really don't know, ask someone else or ask me on IRC or per PM.

 

IC:

 

If by informal world order you mean terrorist attacks by Tianxia.

The Tianxian demands stem from legitimate concerns over the Bolivian posession of weapons of mass destruction and Bolivia's political status as an unstable and expansionist state. I do not think that a country that just months prior started an assault on the protectorate of the SAO can accuse others of "terrorist attacks" with much authority.

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Can one assume Paraguay prefers the continuation of informal world order to formal world order? This idea of yours would hold if you had equal represenation right now, but we don't think this is the case, is it?

The Paraguayan government believes that IF there was a world order, it should be represented in an international organization that TRULY represents, fairly, all nations of the world. The purpose of it is not to overpower all nations in the name of one's own interests, but rather to work for the common good of all people.

 

- Secretary Scavo

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The government of Dai-Tōhoku thinks that there can be no question about the "if", as it is undeniable that a global order exists, enforced by a coalition of those who are willing and able to ensure that the order is upheld. The idea that by denying this formalisation of the order the informal order would become non-existent is mere wishful thinking. In the end, whether the nations of this world like it or not, they cannot forever pretent to truely be exempt from the world order. This is why the Federation approves of a formalisation, which may even lead to greater, though not equal, representation, via the General Assembly, something not existent in an informal order.

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The General Assmbly of the United Nations can only pass NONBINDING resolutions, and is therefore useless in maintaining world order. Paraguay believes that a new UN Charter should be drafted with equal input from all nations of the world.

Also to the government of Dai-Tōhoku, Paraguay will continue to pursue equal representation on the international forum whether it is the UN or another organization. And by the way if wishful thinking is pursing fundamental rights of nations then so be it, and we call upon fellow nations to take that stand with us.

- Secretary Scavo

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"We think that the evaluation of the UN should not merely happen in comparison to an ideal that might not be possible or maybe not even adequate any longer. Rather, the UN should be compared to the status quo, for this would be what the UN will actually replace and even if Paraguay thinks the world to be flawed, to vote down one attempt for reform on the grounds that it still is not the ideal, when it at least tries to attempt to solve part of what is lined out as the problems, seems counter-productive and will most likely only lead to nothing getting done at all.

 

The non-binding nature of the general assembly resolution is known to us, however, is it any less binding than any other diplomatic ramblings at the sidelines today? The less powerful nations in this world are at least given a stage and a forum to voice their opinions at. To dismiss this offer in favour of a partly utopian ideal that would be decades away seems short-sighted.

 

As long as the nation of Selenarctos seems to not want to participate within the UN, Dai-Tōhoku would like to apply for representation of the Indo-Pacific Asia region, though should Selenarctos show interest in this matter, we feel them to be better suited."

-Omura Junichi, Prime Minister

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"The less powerful nations in this world are at least given a stage and a forum to voice their opinions "

This is what we have been asking for. And we acknowledge that the UN plays an important role in fighting world hunger, preventing disease, humanitarian assistance, and the protection of civilians.

- Secretary Scavo

(OOC: is the UN already formed? Or is this just for the Security Council to be formed?)

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The American Commonwealth supports the re-establishment of the United Nations as a major step towards better international relations and cooperation between nations on the global stage.  The Commonwealth also requests the honor and responsibility of providing a delegate to represent North America, and hopefully down the road to fill the American seat on the Security Council.


 

-Secretary of State McNutt

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"As the Security Council stands now, it is simply a bloc of allied superpowers. I fear that without there being a diversity of un-allied nations on the Security Council, this tool which could help the world will be used as a device to manipulate the international community not for the good of the world, but for the good of a few nations. The Security Council can easily be used for a group of allied nations to rule the world with an iron fist but legitimatize their actions because they are part of an organization that should represent the entire world but is realistically just another avenue for a global dictatorship.  

 

The Athenian Federation and the Empire of Tianxia have not wronged the Commonwealth of Canada which is why I am more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have the best interests of not themselves but the world politically, economically, and socially. Others, however, are not as open or trusting and it may very well be for rightful reason which is why diversity is needed to help resolve global issues. A one sided hierarchy is like a one-party country - it has no need to compromise and thus can easily misuse power and resources. 

 

Diplomacy involves communicating with one's enemies and being willing to compromise for a greater good. If no compromise is present, then diplomacy turns into threats and ultimatums and is no longer diplomacy. A 'United Nations' would in fact require the nations of the world being united, within this organization,  for it to function for the better of the planet and not just the few."

 

 

-Tesla LeBlanc, Prime Minister of The Commonwealth of Canada 

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"As the Security Council stands now, it is simply a bloc of allied superpowers. I fear that without there being a diversity of un-allied nations on the Security Council, this tool which could help the world will be used as a device to manipulate the international community not for the good of the world, but for the good of a few nations. The Security Council can easily be used for a group of allied nations to rule the world with an iron fist but legitimatize their actions because they are part of an organization that should represent the entire world but is realistically just another avenue for a global dictatorship.  

 

The Athenian Federation and the Empire of Tianxia have not wronged the Commonwealth of Canada which is why I am more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have the best interests of not themselves but the world politically, economically, and socially. Others, however, are not as open or trusting and it may very well be for rightful reason which is why diversity is needed to help resolve global issues. A one sided hierarchy is like a one-party country - it has no need to compromise and thus can easily misuse power and resources. 

 

Diplomacy involves communicating with one's enemies and being willing to compromise for a greater good. If no compromise is present, then diplomacy turns into threats and ultimatums and is no longer diplomacy. A 'United Nations' would in fact require the nations of the world being united, within this organization,  for it to function for the better of the planet and not just the few."

 

 

-Tesla LeBlanc, Prime Minister of The Commonwealth of Canada 

 

The United Republic of Bolivia would support a United Nations if the aforementioned was followed. This was our original concern that a superpower bloc would then manipulate its "legitimate" power and force non-members to comply by rules they do not wish. In which case The U.R.B. is opposed to any United Nations and will never follow a ruling handed down by a bloc of superpowers. If no opposing nations are represented then you've built a manipulative iron yoke and placed us all as the cattle. We are unto ourselves.

 

~ Secretary of State, Omar Gonzalez Rodriguez

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