Bill Wallace Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339691214' post='2983533'] It had EVERYTHING to do with his spying, that's where he ZI sentence and his wars came from. There was an entire thread posted on the OWF that explained his circumstances, and y'all damn well knew it. More bs. [/quote] Eh, just let it go. Your enemies were looking for any reason to take you guys to war and I think most of Planet Bob sees this for what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blooddraken Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Stormsend' timestamp='1339691381' post='2983538'] Their sovereignty extends only to our borders. They violated that. [/quote] And you went past your own borders by accepting him while they were punishing him. No matter how you spin this, you were in the wrong. You violated their sovereignty by accepting him while he was being dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyria Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339691214' post='2983533'] It had EVERYTHING to do with his spying, that's where he ZI sentence and his wars came from. There was an entire thread posted on the OWF that explained his circumstances, and y'all damn well knew it. More bs. [/quote] You ignored the important part of my statement. Ask any alliance. They have used their applications process to discuss existing wars that their applicants have. CSN did not do what 99% of alliances do, that being go to MK, query an official, and explain the situation again. Instead, CSN nuked while ignoring any attempts by MK to negotiate or even discuss the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feardaram Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Blooddraken' timestamp='1339691643' post='2983547'] And you went past your own borders by accepting him while they were punishing him. No matter how you spin this, you were in the wrong. You violated their sovereignty by accepting him while he was being dealt with. [/quote] we haven't accepted him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormsend Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Blooddraken' timestamp='1339691643' post='2983547'] And you went past your own borders by accepting him while they were punishing him. No matter how you spin this, you were in the wrong. You violated their sovereignty by accepting him while he was being dealt with. [/quote] I will say this in colors so you might actually pay attention. [color="#00FF00"]He[/color] [color="#FF0000"]hasn't[/color] [color="#00FFFF"]been[/color] [color="#800080"]accepted[/color] [color="#FF8C00"]yet.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamerlane Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Bill Wallace' timestamp='1339691553' post='2983545'] Eh, just let it go. Your enemies were looking for any reason to take you guys to war and I think most of Planet Bob sees this for what it is. [/quote] I hope to GOD they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blooddraken Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='feardaram' timestamp='1339691746' post='2983549'] we haven't accepted him [/quote] Then why use him as your excuse to declare war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='tamerlane' timestamp='1339691781' post='2983551'] I hope to GOD they don't. [/quote] I fear the inevitable reprisal from the mighty Invicta for this act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyria Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Blooddraken' timestamp='1339691816' post='2983552'] Then why use him as your excuse to declare war? [/quote] Because "Mushroom Kingdom Applicant" is afforded the protection of MK, and CSN nuked someone with that affiliation without discussing the matter with us in private. Or at all. Edited June 14, 2012 by Lyria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feardaram Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Blooddraken' timestamp='1339691816' post='2983552'] Then why use him as your excuse to declare war? [/quote] those on the MK applicant AA are granted protection from the kingdom. it's been repeated numerous times. is it that complicated? i'm sure you'll find a way to ask the same set of questions all over again. Edited June 14, 2012 by feardaram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clash Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Bill Wallace' timestamp='1339691553' post='2983545'] Eh, just let it go. Your enemies were looking for any reason to take you guys to war and I think most of Planet Bob sees this for what it is. [/quote] Well yeah you're probably right. They've actually given up trying to answer the posts, now they are just bashing the making of them lol. Pretty pathetic. Add that to the list I guess; pathetic, lying, hypocritical punks. Any excuse for a curbstomp, and that's what they took. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feardaram Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339691973' post='2983556'] Well yeah you're probably right. They've actually given up trying to answer the posts, now they are just bashing the making of them lol. Pretty pathetic. Add that to the list I guess; pathetic, lying, hypocritical punks. Any excuse for a curbstomp, and that's what they took. [/quote] do you not like war? are you not a warrior? who's the hypocrite now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Liebenow Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339691973' post='2983556'] Well yeah you're probably right. They've actually given up trying to answer the posts, now they are just bashing the making of them lol. Pretty pathetic. Add that to the list I guess; pathetic, lying, hypocritical punks. Any excuse for a curbstomp, and that's what they took. [/quote] 100 tech to the first person who ZI's this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clash Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) [quote name='feardaram' timestamp='1339692070' post='2983558'] do you not like war? are you not a warrior? who's the hypocrite now? [/quote] This is called a red herring. Someone please go look it up for him. [quote name='Jake Liebenow' timestamp='1339692114' post='2983559'] 100 tech to the first person who ZI's this guy.[/quote] I am worth much more than that. Pffft. Edited June 14, 2012 by Clash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperonic Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='feardaram' timestamp='1339691899' post='2983555'] those on the MK applicant AA are granted protection from the kingdom. it's been repeated numerous times. is it that complicated? i'm sure you'll find a way to ask the same set of questions all over again. [/quote] You say that like you don't actually enjoy low hanging fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339691973' post='2983556'] Well yeah you're probably right. They've actually given up trying to answer the posts, now they are just bashing the making of them lol. Pretty pathetic. Add that to the list I guess; pathetic, lying, hypocritical punks. Any excuse for a curbstomp, and that's what they took. [/quote] Well at least we lost stupid and gained hypocritical. That's something. You're still inordinately angry for someone who's not participating in the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339692159' post='2983560'] This is called a red herring. Someone please go look it up for him. [/quote] That term. I don't think it means what you think it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktarthan Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I am MK, see my dave93 and behold my commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feardaram Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339692159' post='2983560'] This is called a red herring. Someone please go look it up for him. I am worth much more than that. Pffft. [/quote] 87000 casualties you are a war machine. the warrior clearly lives in you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamerlane Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Hyperonic' timestamp='1339692167' post='2983561'] You say that like you don't actually enjoy low hanging fruit. [/quote] So you don't blame us for taking what was gracefully provided by Allarchon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyria Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Jake Liebenow' timestamp='1339692114' post='2983559'] 100 tech to the first person who ZI's this guy. [/quote] Discord is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 6/13/2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clash Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1339692278' post='2983565'] That term. I don't think it means what you think it means. [/quote] http://www.fallacyfiles.org/redherrf.html [quote]Exposition: This is the most general fallacy of irrelevance. Any argument in which the premisses are logically unrelated to the conclusion commits this fallacy. [/quote] Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feardaram Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Hyperonic' timestamp='1339692167' post='2983561'] You say that like you don't actually enjoy low hanging fruit. [/quote] not really. i won't dispute that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feardaram Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339692437' post='2983571'] http://www.fallacyfiles.org/redherrf.html Yeah. [/quote] linking definitions means you are clearly winning. keep at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 There is absolutely no way you can claim a defensive position here. Declare on CSN for being terrible if you like, but you accepted a nation on another alliance's ZI list, and that is something which should not be done. What's more, it's clear from those logs that Dave actively engaged in the spying: [quote][07:38] <Dave93[TIO]> hey man [07:38] <Dave93[TIO]> take some screen shots [07:38] <Dave93[TIO]> xD ... [07:53] <Dave93[TIO]> lol [07:53] <Dave93[TIO]> dude [07:54] <Dave93[TIO]> old screenies are old [07:54] <Dave93[TIO]> need the new stuff ... [08:17] <Rotavele[CSN]> DUDE! [08:17] <Rotavele[CSN]> I GOT IT !! [08:17] <Rotavele[CSN]> Liz is using spied information against NG, MK, TLR, and NSO ... [08:17] <Dave93[TIO]> oh really now? [08:18] <Dave93[TIO]> gimme[/quote] TIO agreed to release Dave because CSN had a good case against him. You have simply accepted him to provoke a war and that is pretty low class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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