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[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1314096431' post='2786764'] I wasn't aware that one could measure hubris. Regardless, Vanilla Napalm expressed it far better than I could. Beyond adding a 'What the hell are you on about?' or perhaps a 'Slayer did it better' there's not much to be said in response. Clearly I've somehow startled you by suggesting your pony pals were worthy of nothing but contempt. Nothing else can explain your desire to swoop in and declare that you will save an alliance that....well....no one is actually threatening. It brings a tear to me eye. Truly, it does. And so I apologize for your hurt widdle feewings, and hope you will take this opportunity to reflect on the fact that the craptastic herd you call a protectorate came up as a completely incidental point in a much more interesting discussion, and that you and your equine pals are about as menacing as Arm Fall Off Boy teamed up with the Wonder Pets. [/quote] I've never been one to keep my ear particularly close to the ground, I attempt to keep myself abreast of what's going on, but I haven't gotten the time to keep up to date with everything. It would seem that in the time that has transpired since HoT presented us with something that was 'different', there have been several instances of people saying that they ought to be rolled. Serious or not, I'd consider that as much as a threat. I've never been one to assume them serious, but considering transpired at the beginning of this year, I have no doubt that if disliked enough, a CB can be manufactured to begin a war against a party that has done nothing wrong. I hardly walk around expecting such to happen, but I find it wise to understand that anything can happen at any time. As for United Equestria being, in your words, a "craptastic herd", I would be inclined to disagree. I've personally recently entered into 5 tech deals with them, filling up aid slots neglected by my procrastination. Just as Umbrella and MK recognised the potential of GOONS, TPF sees the potential an 86 man alliance composed predominately of new nation has to us both in regards to our short-term needs and our long-term aspirations. I hope their ANS grows a little quicker then that of GOONS, however. Edit: On the subject of protectorates, The German Empire has been leaving quite a positive impression from their OWF forums, I'm sure you'll agree?

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1314086740' post='2786732'] If you think anyone is serious about taking them out, then you're really quite clueless. But please, don't let that stop you from doing a bit of public flexing to show how big and scary you are. We're all really quite impressed. [/quote] It matters not what I think or believe, or what 'public flexing' that you might be under the impression that I'm doing. The fact of the matter stands that should anybody get any funny ideas, there are those who will not allow them what they desire without so much as a fight. I don't expect such a situation, nor do I particularly desire it. Rarely, however, has fate taken what I desire into consideration. Also, I appreciate your being impressed, It means a great deal coming from you. I daresay that it is deserved seeing as we are further advanced then most all alliances with sizes comparable to our own (yours included) in several areas many consider to be most vital.

[quote name='mrwuss' timestamp='1314073898' post='2786639'] GOONS caused Karma. /thread [/quote] Must be, GOONS was only formed two days before Karma, so it makes sense, had GOONS never been formed, Karma would have never happened. At any rate, that statement does not lessen my desire to laugh at FEAR over this ordeal. I see the topic Lord Boris set in #cnfear still stands, reading: CN Blueballed? Success. I think it would have been better if it read External Chancellor embarrasses his alliance? Success. perhaps in Lord Boris's feeble and underdeveloped mind, this topic is still a success. I know that I've thoroughly enjoyed it.

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1314058863' post='2786445'] I think so, since the alliance I am a part of is frequently mentioned as having some kind of longstanding hate-on for alliances in SF or as a core conspirator in others' fantasies. About the other arguments? No, not really. That's just HoT being his usual five-watt self, interepreting [b]"Your alliance shouldn't exist"[/b] as "They're coming to get you, Barbara!" followed by a whole lot of chatter about yet another one of his statements that's in poor taste. [/quote] But why, why shouldn't they exist? Because you dislike the theme? People dislike it, but at the end of the day, every alliance's theme is at the least, a little dumb. I'll put it on record that anybody who wishes to go after said alliance should not be expecting to be able do it painlessly.

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1314056029' post='2786421'] And when was the last time I attempted to use that line in the context of politics? Oh, sorry, I appear to have made a mistake by taking anything you say seriously. My bad. BBL. [/quote] I haven't the time to search through your posts, but I can remember at least one such instance where you wielded it similarly to how you have here. But yes, continue to labor under the belief of the intellectual superiority that you have over everybody else around here. I won't try to stop you.

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1314055717' post='2786416'] Uhhhhhh... I guess you've been sniffing the same solvents as HoT. [/quote] If it was wrong, then it wouldn't feel so good. But seriously, whatever may have happened to your ancestors may be a tragedy, but no more so then the last time you attempted to use that line, and coincidentally it is no more relevant to the situation at hand now then it undoubtedly was then.

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1314035920' post='2786231'] That wouldn't be a particularly wise thing to do, especially since most of the recent discussions (I'm privy to) have involved expressing various degrees of horror at one particular new alliance and whether or not someone should give them a one-way ticket to the glue factory. Let me be clear, though, that I don't really expect anything to happen. At this point we're just taking turns saying, "Ewwwwwww!" [/quote] I would undoubtedly have heaps of fun should you decide to try. [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1314051452' post='2786371'] As someone whose descendants were victims of the event you so callously refer to here, I find your comment insulting and highly inappropriate. Grow up. [/quote] For somebody telling somebody else to grow up, you play the 'my descendants' card an awful lot, and in many situations where its not at all relevant. We've all heard that gambit a million times now, just grow up.

I think something that would be of interest would be to alternate between 3 month rounds and 2 month rounds, as it would prevent people from using the same strategy round after round, as a 2 month round would require a different mindset then a 3 month round, and vice versa. As it is, its gotten a little predictable how things are going to go, people have gotten more proficient at growing, but from the viewpoint of the patterns that alliances follow in order to have several wars per round while still having adequate time between them. That said, I'd argue against making any other changes to complement a longer round. I'd like to see how things would go with being able to purchase more wonders, from the standpoint of alliance vs. alliance, alliances might be less inclined to go real hard in the first two months setting up a month of hard pounding, giving their members time to get big wonders, etc.

I like the idea of 3 month rounds, gives new options for wonder progression, gives alliances more options to fit even more wars into a round, as is, it never fails that alot of alliances have three wars falling around days 7-10, 25-35, and the last 10 days of the round. Longer rounds will give two things, you'll have some alliances that war more frequently, some that will space their wars to be more effective/destructive Would be an interesting twist.

[quote name='Canik' timestamp='1313686272' post='2783965'] In like, the last 3 wars we fought ODN. In one of those it was ODN + the rest of CnG, before that we've faced NPO, GOONS, NoR, etc. We aren't unwilling to face the odds. I am indeed open to the idea of pre-organized war, even with stronger alliances. Although we have no quarrel with TPF, TPF & FEAR were allies for the longest time. I would like to take back the TPF statement. While certainly, TPF has made mistakes in the past, you've been more or less good than us, and in general have acted with more tact than 'we' did last night. I was just getting defensive (tough not to in this situation), was tired and irritable. [/quote] Understandable, If i found myself sitting where you are sitting, watching a thread such as this grow, I imagine I would be irritable as well. I personally have nothing against FEAR aside from a distaste of the comments by none other then the individual being discussed in the beginning of the logs presented in the opening post, as well as the attitude said individual acts with. Aside from that, I think FEAR is by and large composed of stand-up folks, and its home to some who I would even call friends. I find incidents such as this one to be most disappointing in regards to what I had come to expect.

[size="1"]strucken from the record. Sometimes I think of things that shouldn't be said.[/size]

[quote name='zzzptm' timestamp='1313671394' post='2783864'] UPN wanted the war. FEAR just made that desire public knowledge. FEAR didn't want the war, hence the lack of DoW. Do the math, people. It's easy and fun. UPN is free to back up its big words with big guns. FEAR just let us know that those words are out there. And GDA, seriously... [/quote] I don't think UPN actually wanted any war. It seems to me that it looks like it was a casual IRC conversation of Robster discussing those in FEAR who go out of their way to say negative things, and a joke answer to what was perceived as a joke question. I guess the Chancellors of FEAR have their heads too far in the clouds to tell the difference between somebody saying they wanted war and some casual IRC banter.

[quote name='Canik' timestamp='1313656831' post='2783756'] (My own opinion) 1. It really was more for fun than anything (isn't everything), but the execution was poor. I agree.[/quote] I fail to see how its 'fun' from UPN's perspective. Perhaps you could elaborate how this could be seen as 'in good fun' from their end? Isn't it more fun when both parties are in on the joke? It might be all for fun, but I see it as rather sad when your trying to have fun at somebody else's expense. [quote name='Canik' timestamp='1313656831' post='2783756'] 2. We weren't the ones wanting to prove their honor and strength, and yes a war would be fun[/quote] No, your the ones taking casual IRC banter and exploding it into a pathetic statement on these forums trying to make them look bad. [quote name='Canik' timestamp='1313656831' post='2783756']3. You're in TPF dude, don't talk[/quote] I am in TPF. I fail to see your point. [ooc]This is so reminiscent of high school, where to fit in and curry favor with the cool crowd, people would ostracise those seen as 'out-casts'. I suppose some might refer to it as 'bandwagoning'. I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.[/ooc]. I don't see TPF going around making threads with no other intention then insult somebody, at least not recently enough for me to recall. If we have a problem with somebody, either we would care enough about it to address it on the battlefield or we wouldn't care enough to address it on these forums. It has been brought to my understanding that your not against the idea of pre-organised 1v1 wars. If that is the case, I know somebody who might be interested, if you wished to put your 36 SDIs against our 105 MPs.

UPN hardly had to post at all in this thread, and yet they come out of it with a PR victory. This is so absurdly stupid that it is hard to comprehend. Was it that with the addition of NEW to BFF, FEAR was feeling bigger and badder then normal and felt like an 8 year old with a twenty-dollar bill in his pocket, and just couldn't resist doing something? Was it that FEAR genuinely wanted a war, but wanted to goad UPN into attacking them to fight the war 'defensively'? Was it that FEAR wanted to get some cheap attention and good PR, and decided the best way to do it was to bully somebody they perceived as weaker then them? I've long believed that FEAR wasn't the most competent or well-lead alliance on planet bob, but this really confirms the suspicions. Whatever your intentions from this thread were, I can't see many possibilities that aren't frankly laughable and pathetic. UPN's working for years to improve their reputation, and in one night FEAR helps them out while making themselves looking like morons. Considering my growing distaste of FEAR, this thread has been thoroughly delicious.

UPN, I can't imagine you having any problems with this trash if you wanted to address this situation. I for one would have no qualms fighting aside you. [quote name='Lord Boris' timestamp='1313640925' post='2783331'] Oh proud Triumvir of UPN, we see you list many a war that has left your nation scarred (including some that we weren't even aware ever happened. I mean seriously. When the hell did GW V and GW VI happen? Hell, I knew I was a bit out of the loop on the lingo these days, but really? Somebody get me a freaking newspaper so I can catch up). If your desire is to add another war to that list, by all means, be our guest. We'll be waiting. [/quote] Could you be any more thick? An FA man who doesn't even know his history? Just because you know conflicts by different names doesn't mean they didn't happen. FEAR picked wisely when they drew your name out of the hat.

I think NEW wins. They are a tight-knit community, they've got the experience to go hand to hand against Nordreich, they are probably prepared just as well and when the time comes, their coordination by being so close in the time zone will help them win. I think, not to mention, that NEW would be more then willing to allow a war to drag on rather then relenting. I think NoR would be the first to relent and give up. Not to be contrary or anything, but NoR's warchest requirements are by far the highest I have ever seen in any alliance that I've belonged to. How long has it been since you've been a member of another alliance? Warchest requirements are considerably larger today then they were a year or two ago.

It would appear as if your math and my math are yielding different results. The game seems to vary from yours as well, as I was looking at a nation formed towards the end of February 2006 and even they are still a week from 2,000 days. None the less, its an impressive feat, congrats.

[quote name='Furril' timestamp='1313401220' post='2781263'] I have a question, if you have so many new people in your AA Why haven't they posted in here? [/quote] Probably for the same reason that there aren't 300 new !@#$posters every time GOONS gets into a war. Frankly, I'm a little confused at your question.

[quote name='Systemfailure' timestamp='1313398772' post='2781253'] im going to complain a bit more in this thread then add this AA to my "Go Rogue" list [/quote] That's roughly as much as I had assumed.

[quote name='DevastationStation' timestamp='1313392630' post='2781216'] And you realize that this theme is probably the most asinine concoction Bob has ever seen? Normally I can just say, 'to each their own', but not this. Hell no. [/quote] Well then, what do you intend to do about it?

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1313321954' post='2780492'] Friends don't let friends create pony alliances. And yes, he may be loyal etc etc, but this is a realm where politics matters. Do you really want TPF associated with this? [/quote] After being associated with a star wars themed alliance, this was the next logical step

[quote name='Gopherbashi' timestamp='1313206573' post='2779108'] 24 {150} [color=green](+1)[/color] [color=gray][i]The Phoenix Federation[/i][/color] : 19.63 --> 20.04 [color=green](+0.41)[/color] [/quote] If only we could gain 100k nations every day. Woo 20 score, accompanied by also hitting 5 million NS yesterday, yesterday was a good day for us.

[quote name='Griff' timestamp='1313271957' post='2779949'] I am embarrassed to be allied to you right now. Not sure what made you think this was a good idea. [/quote] Think it over my friend, and the answer will present itself to you. It may even seem rather obvious. TPF values loyalty and dedication above all else. HoT has always been more then willing to go above and beyond for TPF when asked to help, so it was only natural that we would extend a helping hand to this project as we extended a helping hand to his previous projects. Plus, tech and senate votes.

To those who yearn to take a shot at the ponies, please do, its been far too long since the last war and TPF is bored. Good luck HoT. Also, brilliant thread.

[quote name='Steinfeld' timestamp='1313180159' post='2778766'] You seem bitter..... [/quote] Well, what do you expect. The people who built the alliance being bitter in the revelation that they put their trust in the wrong person (something they apparently recognized some time ago as they departed, but alas, everybody makes mistakes.) somebody who took actions that ran counter-productive to the ideals that the founders thought the alliance should stand for, and somebody who allowed the alliance to be controlled by what some might refer to as characters of ill repute. I don't know that JWConner or mrott are bitter, it would seem that things turned out exactly as they predicted they would. The person they put their trust in ran something Conner and mrott (amongst others) put so much time into building the ground, with no less then a more then sufficient amount of help from DB4D. I think it'd be reasonable for them to be bitter, but I think it would appear that they are more relieved then anything.