Rafael Nadal

Well, we were one and the same really. Neither one of us would have gone to war without the other.

You killed pink. Lolpink is your own fault.

It encourages more nations (trades) on Brown because the color sphere is unified in defending itself. The same concept as CTC, though I don't believe CTC is color based. The same concept as NPO's ban on tech raiding red nations. You make brown a safer place to be and more nations will want to be there.

Well, by my post, you either sign, flee, or get destroyed and then either sign or flee due to peace negotiations.

Amber Accords doesn't provide security to Brown nations as a blanket Brown defense pact would. That point is not arguable.

You're right, I am. Why run different plays when the same old ones are just as effective now? Anyways, time will tell. That post wasn't a shot at NSO, just a historical contextual response to Cairna, on why I wasn't laughing at Carpe Diem for signing Terra-Cotta. I would definitely be smiling in amusement if you were able to make NSO into the same type of power as NPO was under you. No, it's not. And for the record, Terra-Cotta, at least in wording, is not in conflict with AA, seeing as AA is not a brown military pact and Terra-Cotta is not a brown economic pact. I will be interested to see in the long run, relations between those who sign Terra-Cotta and those who don't on the brown sphere.

I'm sorry, LEN.

No, there is an order to how things go. First, NSO must get a dominant position in politics, obviously, starting with a strong Brown sphere. A strong Brown sphere is a united Brown sphere. Carpe Diem is doing fine right now, endorsing Terra-Cotta goes along with unifying the brown sphere. A strong NSO is a strong Brown, a la a strong NPO is a strong Red. When NSO becomes supremely dominant on Brown, Brown alliances not signed onto Terra-Cotta will either be "persuaded" to sign it, or declared and kicked off Brown in the name of Brown sphere unity. If you don't have a unified opinion and want to defend Brown alliances against outside aggression, you're obviously not for Brown unity. This is phase 1, NSO becoming dominant on Brown. Phase 2 has more world factors playing into it. Phase 2 is NSO becoming a major world power, since they've already achieved domination of their color sphere (they have no Brown threats to worry about). By various means, NSO needs to become relatively strong world power, be it through incredible growth or the current large alliances being knocked down a few notches; perhaps a combination of both since the extreme of either one is highly unlikely. This here is the turning point to where old time CoaLUEtion members will laugh at people like Carpe Diem. You will have risen to great importance, but only because you're tied to NSO, who is now of great world importance. Here starts the process of Drinking Buddies, WUT, etc again. As NSO rises to power, they will accumulate a variety of allies, who all staunchly support NSO, since NSO's strength protects them. Occasionally, an ally might stray from the nest too far and will be picked off, keeping the others in line, not wanting to be next. The only way to avoid the repeat of WUT/last few sentences of my last paragraph is to jump off as soon as NSO becomes more/just/nearly/etc as powerful as the other top alliances in CN. Oh, and you need at least two evenly matched "sides" to keep each other in check, also last seen leading up to GW2. That's not a real novel concept though, just balance of power in CN. The complex point is balancing all of this. Do you want a balance of power returned to CN? Well, if you do, a strong NSO led by Ivan is probably a good thing. However, if and when the largest alliances in the game get knocked down in NS a little, and if and when NSO is able to catch up to somewhere near this NS, then you must worry about Ivan and keeping him in check. First things first though, you need NSO to be strong. TL;DR: Short term to medium term laughs on brown alliances not signing Tera-Cotta. Long term laughs on allies who stick with NSO all the way through to the top (assuming they get there, of course) and then a few being picked off one by one, just as we've seen happen in NPO's circle.

I can't believe what I'm seeing. When, not if, NSO becomes the supremely dominant Brown sphere power, I will laugh heartily at all these other brown alliances opposing Terra-Cotta. I'm going to assume a lot of people in brown leadership positions haven't been here for 3 years and thus do not know the nature of the beast they're dealing with.

I would argue that the peace terms weren't valid due to GOONS' constant and systematic violation of their own terms. LUE was never actually at peace with GOONS, despite the peace agreement. Of course, GOONS was so powerful and LUE was the main rival of NPO during that time, so keeping LUE down until the next war broke out was obviously the plan all along. Nobody on our side could do anything about it, and nobody allied to GOONS cared enough (assuming that GOONS performed this on their own, which I doubt) to put their NS on the line to stop GOONS' behavior when it kept down the largest political and military foe of the time period.

I would venture to guess that a political view on SF is not an important electoral issue in ODN. And if it is, they have some serious issues with priorities. And yet I see only one apology topic.

Perhaps he and MCXA aren't really in a commanding position of power over the situation? <--Rhetorical musing, by the way. Even if that is true, I would never expect it to be admitted by any involved parties. Also, perhaps he's not as stubborn/strong-willed/confrontational/etc as others, including myself.

What he means is not the issue. I have no doubts he means it that TOP can continue the protectorate agreement with TSO. Whether or not he truly prefers TOP to do so because he harbors no ill will or lingering anger towards TSO is the issue. And those three lines don't provide a positive vibe to me about Doctor Fresh seeing this continued protectorate in a good light.

Perhaps it's just me, but those three lines don't convey the most pleasant of tones. Sounds more like a begrudging/annoyed acceptance (that perhaps what MCXA really wants to do isn't the smart thing to do considering their outlook doesn't match up with the outlook of others outside the alliance who have the ability to shape/persuade/influence MCXA's actions). Regardless, those logs don't inspire great confidence within me that MCXA has no issues with TSO and furthermore, with TOP's continued relationship with TSO.

Yes, as would I, seeing as Vanguard is listed in there. You consider me the young apprentice Caught between the scylla and charybidis Hypnotized by you if I should linger Staring at the ring around your finger I have only come here seeking knowledge Things they wouldnt teach me of in college I can see the destiny you sold Turned into a shining band of gold Ill be wrapped around your finger Ill be wrapped around your finger Mephistopheles is not your name But I know what youre up to just the same I will listen hard to intuition And you will see it come to its fruition Ill be wrapped around your finger Ill be wrapped around your finger Devil and the deep blue sea behind me Vanish in the air youll never find me I will turn your flesh to alabaster Then you will find your servant is your master And youll be wrapped around my finger Youll be wrapped around your finger Youll be wrapped around your finger

A good match. Congrats on being compatible guys.

Methinks there should be another apology topic, similar to the op, as well. Anyways, despite my personal feelings on the situation, congrats on hopefully putting this behind you guys.

I'm slapping you on behalf of DJ. You're welcome DJ. :lol:

I approve of this topic.

Was that the symbol we really ended up settling on?

CoaLUEtion, League, Aegis. First two were with LUE, rerolled into Legion following GW2 and then left most way through the war to rejoin LUE when they declared. Also, TotalFarkistan gets no credit in "defeating" LUE. We were never allowed to rebuild from GW2, constantly being attacked for "aid violations". GOONS, for all intents and purposes, never stopped attacking us. Many were in bill lock, or barely got out of bill lock by the time GW3 came about. Also, WC, I remember you skipping out on LUE after we filled your coffers with aid. You're lucky you became aligned again as quickly as you did, because as soon as word hit that you skipped out after we just built your nation, you would have been raided. And some still advocated for your raiding even after you became aligned.

This is awesome. Congrats to our friends at Apocalypse and FARK.

Ya, uhhhh, about that...

You couldn't get rid of him that easily, CnG!

Good issue. Well done Schat.