WorldConqueror

[quote name='Trikoupis' timestamp='1288435693' post='2497122'] So, wait, you were threatened for a post you made, and as you are not an ODN full member yet, and as you only have 1,192.100 ns, there was no one to back you up and you had to make an apology? No comment . [/quote] I am quite sure he wasn't threatened for the babble in his previous thread.

[quote name='Duncan King' timestamp='1288276504' post='2495179'] What you say: What we hear: My advice: take a [IMG]http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff120/duncanking/Images/chill_pill.jpg[/IMG], grow up, and [IMG]http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff120/duncanking/Images/partypooper.jpg[/IMG] [/quote] When you resort to using a string of pictures to attempt to create a counter-argument, I tend to think the battle is already won. I'm not sure how you twisted someone pointing out that you are failing horribly at what you are attempting to accomplish into crying. You see, I like when people do good or funny impressions, or at least have some semblance of intelligence about what they are doing. Rather than doing as you are doing and just spouting drivel. Personally, I think there is already plenty enough idiocy on these forums without people like you intentionally contributing to and revelling in it. Are there no standards any more? [quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1288277688' post='2495188'] Remind me to not come trick-or-treating at your house. You'd probably yell at me for not being an appropriate representation of Hollywood Hulk Hogan. [/quote] Actually, I'd just give you a weird look for trick-or-treating in Australia.

[quote name='King Death II' timestamp='1288151539' post='2494037'] I ooze apathy and feed on your hate. I dont care what you think about me because I am awesome and I know that. [/quote] And we have another contender in the 'worst impression ever' competition! Will KDII be able to edge out DK and claim the grand prize of eternal mockery and ridicule? It's sure to be a tough race, with both competitors having shown they are capable of reaching intense levels of retardation in the pursuit of trying to make some kind of point against the subjects of their impersonations. To get your fill of derp and jokes that are only funny to the person telling them, be sure to tune in as KDII and DK go head to head in 'the worst impression ever!'.

[quote name='Lord Fingolfin' timestamp='1287972917' post='2492448'] >_< I thought you were Vlad for a while [/quote] Not sure how, that was an incredibly horrible attempt at a Vlad impression.

[quote name='Teddyyo' timestamp='1287119390' post='2485058'] They both always think they know right, and [b]nearly always are[/b]. [/quote] Are you perhaps thinking of some other Batallion?

Congrats guys.

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1286592013' post='2479319'] Oh and regarding the OP...so what has NPO done lately to make itself relevant again? You can talk propaganda all day if you like, but if MK's behavior is so transparent, what's the plan for doing something about it beyond this analysis? [/quote] Woo lawd, Hal and Valhalla using the relevance line. When has Valhalla ever been relevant? The only relevance you ever had was borrowed from us, by using our protection to make retarded moves and cringe-worthy posts. :golfclap:

[quote name = Teddyyo][quote name = Teddyyo]On the contrary, Cornball, Wolfpack is still around, albeit it fails. I know because we passed them recently.[/quote][/quote] Why the hell are you quoting yourself directly after the post the quote came from, and adding nothing to it? You are incredibly annoying. E: And why the hell won't it show the name of the person quoted?

[quote name='SynthFG' timestamp='1286570041' post='2479080'] Depends on the leadership how going paperless is played, but a treatyless alliance that is into bandwaggoning will not be popular and will be the obvious candidate for a curbstomp without the bonds of paper it is even more important for a treatyless alliance to be seen as decent and honest lest is bring down the wrath of the mob [/quote] Not necessarily. It depends on how willing their friends are to step in. If their friends attitudes/opinions are unchanged by the bandwagoning then the treatyless alliance will be just fine, when their friends form the larger 'side'.

[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1286523615' post='2478703'] So, I've heard rumors abound that CDT is no longer in existence. I go on the wiki and find nothing to this nature. The rumors are coming from rather high places. As somebody that was there when CDT was founded, and somebody that stuck with it until rather recently, I'd personally like to know the truth. If the rumors are true and CDT is gone, why was nothing announced? [/quote] I can appreciate your want for information, however you (and CDT alliances) would probably have been better served asking one of the leaders involved personally. If it is gone and there has been no announcement, there's probably a good reason behind that decision.

[quote name='Megamickel' timestamp='1286496589' post='2478316'] This. I want to drink your delicious commie tears. [/quote] Oh dizzam, you is badass bro, 4 realz.

[quote name='Twizzler' timestamp='1286495323' post='2478281'] No actually. Lets go through recent events. You post a bunch of crap about ODN's history. Much of it is hilarious, opinionated, and quite a bit comes from propaganda. Plenty of it is refutable logically and rationally. Kalasin and I both read it and laughed at your stupidity. Kalasin mentions some things about your past. You immediately get butthurt. Insert a bunch of words about how none of it could possibly ever be true and its all propaganda. I laugh harder at your incredibly ability to contradict yourself. I don't bother going through anything you said because you're not worth my time. My silence has nothing to do with validity of your claims, but merely the fact that your P.h.D in logic seems to be written in orange crayon. [/quote] OK, my mistake, so you didn't agree to the loyalty oath, right? You didn't sit out GWII, or fight horribly and get beaten down in GWIII. You didn't cancel on Polaris or GATO when war was headed their way? You didn't try to suck up to first GOONS, then Polar, then One Vision after GWIII? Are you from Bizarro ODN? Because I was here for all that besides the oath, and I'm quite sure my memory isn't going just yet. If it's all so refutable, why did none of you little ODN muppets do so? Butthurt? How can you possibly construe my post as butthurt? I was laughing at her characterisation of our past, and then refuting it. Coz, you know, when you can refute something you usually do. Funny that I'm not worth your time, and thus you don't respond to what I said about ODN history, but you've got plenty of time to come up with this imbecilic commentary of Kalasin's and I's posts. Well done mang, you sure are too cool for school.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1286494815' post='2478275'] How in the world is ODN's history the least bit relevant to Pandora's Box then? I'd be quite happy to debate it with you, if you're interested (because half of the stuff you said is dead wrong) but not in this thread. Perhaps we could take it to query. [/quote] Probably about as relevant as ODN "waiting a long time to rule the world", or us "being on the bottom", I guess. Which is what started all this off. But I agree, this thread is not the place for this discussion, as I said previously.

Wow, you're both really bad at this. [quote name='Twizzler' timestamp='1286494130' post='2478262'] Herp Derp. [/quote] So you didn't do all those things I said in that post? I'm quite sure you did, and you would just rather that everyone forgot. Sorry bro, you might be hanging with the in-crowd now, but a lot of us still remember the things you did to become a laughing stock. [quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1286494182' post='2478263'] I'm not going to get into a debate about NPO history, because it's irrelevant to the original topic of conversation, which was that currently NPO's political situation sucks. But nice attempt at a deflection! [/quote] Actually, the topic of discussion here is Pandora's Box. But I'm not sure how our history would be irrelevant to our current political situation, so I think you're reaching pretty hard to call it a deflection. I notice you still refuse to address the points I made about ODN though. Your silence is deafening.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1286491722' post='2478226'] Oh yes, history! The years of NPO hegemony, where you bullied and rolled everyone else, and plotted against your own allies? The EZI, the attacks on disbanded alliances, and the viceroys? That history? [/quote] LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE! NO ONE WAS SAFE! Don't you think it's been long enough that you drop the Vox/Karmaite lines and have a rational discussion about Pacifican history? This obviously isn't the thread to do it in, but geez, this repeated assertion of propaganda lines as fact is beginning to come off as a bit desperate. We were dominant in both the military and political fields, and thus were often able to get our way. That does not however mean that we bullied people. And yes, occasionally we waged military campaigns against them, this was however [i]after[/i] they had committed transgressions against us, and refused to come to a mutually acceptable resolution. We didn't plot against allies, except Polaris, in response to statements and actions taken by Sponge. And we have apologized for our actions during that time. EZI was an accepted and widely used practice, we are far from the only ones to utilise it. Though no one was actually deemed 'EZI', they were just kept as a target until they made amends, at which point they were released. It was one attack on a disbanded alliance, and I've already stated my position on that, I'm not sure why they become innocent just because they disbanded their alliance to avoid retribution. And viceroys were utilised by more alliances than just us, and I would say often helped the alliance as much as hindered it. So...what was your point again? If you actually approach things rationally, you see they aren't something to get hysterical about. Our history is unparalleled and unmatched, we were the pre-eminent alliance for 3 years, dominant on the political, military and economic fronts. I don't see how that's something to be ashamed of. Especially compared to the ODN's past, which I outlined before. Which I notice you also failed to address.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1286490616' post='2478216'] For an alliance of NPO's size, you're in a terrible position politically, actually. The number of people who dislike and distrust you is immense. [/quote] Going by size, sure. Which happens to totally disregard history. Which, of course, ODN would love. Can't have people remembering the loyalty oath, GWII, your performance in GWIII, the cancellations on GOONS, Polaris, GATO, the almost two years between UJP and Karma where you stagnated and did absolutely nothing, your consistent attempts to suck up to the dominant side since GWIII...Yeah, I can see why you guys try to disregard history. An unfavourable position is not 'the bottom', though, is it?

[quote name='snibbmaster' timestamp='1286489743' post='2478203'] Beats sitting on the bottom with you [/quote] Your witty retorts may be more witty if they made sense. In terms of stats we're higher than you in the ASR, even after Armageddon and sending out all those reps. In political terms we are far from the bottom. Though it is certainly a change from all those years on top.

[quote name='snibbmaster' timestamp='1286489358' post='2478197'] Oh we've been waiting for a [i]long[/i] time... [/quote] Perhaps that's your problem, sitting around waiting isn't going to win you the world.

[quote name='Lord Fingolfin' timestamp='1286482445' post='2478108'] Must have missed this. Story time? [/quote] I was thinking the same thing. What happened?

[quote name='tamerlane' timestamp='1286296794' post='2476001'] This is deeply disappointing. Whatever happened to the Pacifica I knew and loved? [/quote] It adapted to the prevailing material conditions through the processes of Francoist permanent revolution, Comrade. Damn kids, screwing with our conditions.

[quote name='King Louis the II' timestamp='1286292845' post='2475945'] Are people already calling that side of the treaty web "super box of grievences" or something like that? [/quote] Complaining Box Friends.

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1286285796' post='2475902'] MK still has powerful enemies though, and they cut themselves off from MDP support; it wouldn't surprise me if the powerful figures in NPO and what was the Polar coalition in Bipolar were at least running through plans to roll MK to see if they're practical right now. [/quote] So remember to do well in school and eat all your vegetables or those nasty Pacificans will get you too! Give it a rest, Bob. We aren't sitting here waiting for the moment that one of them gets separated from the pack to step out of the shadows and strike them down, horror villain style. You'll probably want to find a more persuasive line to keep everyone unified these days.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1285495143' post='2465047'] I'm the very last person who's going to be persuaded by attacks on someone's credibility on the basis that 'he was a Voxian', as well you know, WorldConqueror. [/quote] The point of that post was not to say 'He was in Vox, don't listen to him, his lies will make your ears will fall off and your family be tormented by Mormons!', but to shed some light on why he would characterise the lack of a NPO-TOP treaty as a failure to gain one on the part of Pacifica. If we had been rejected on the treaty front by TOP, what reason would Feanor have to support the statement that we didn't attempt to gain one?

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1285488556' post='2465011'] Either that or he's not being truthful (for what reasons I can't imagine, but I believe what Yevgeni told me.) [/quote] You don't think Yevgeni would be biased against us, considering he was a Voxian, who then left TOP to go to MK? Seems a natural assumption to make to me. And considering the circles you two run in now, it is not surprising to see the lack of a treaty being characterised as having failed to get one. We have had discussions with TOP, as we have had discussions with many alliances. As both Feanor and myself were involved in that discussion, it would seem likely that we know that of which we speak. Perhaps in time you can bring yourself to trust the words of Pacifiscum.

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1285488137' post='2465009'] Please understand, I don't care enough to demonise your alliance, and I don't care enough about your denial of the sanction to delve any deeper than determining the issue on its face, which is an alleged politicization of sanctions. I used the phrase because thats the phrase at issue, and none of my post either was supporting it as truth or decrying it as false. I made absolutely no mention of the definition of a rogue, whether or not you like GOONS, etc. In short, I was speaking to something else entirely (i.e. a mistaken opinion that we would no longer sanction rogues at Red Dawn's request). There is no need for the little rolley eyes picture and whatnot, you simply responded in a way that had nothing at all to do with what I said. Don't worry about it though, we all make mistakes [/quote] 'Seeming' and 'alleged' have different connotations, especially in this instance. Your use of seeming implies you agree with the characterization of the RD refusal to sanction as politicization of sanctions, though you don't know all the details. The line 'I can assure you that we will continue to grant sanctions without political considerations coming into play.', implies that someone else is letting political considerations come into play. I said 'You guys', which would imply VE as a whole, not you personally. My post was directly addressing the characterisation of denying sanctions as politicizing them, a characterisation you decided to parrot. RD's reasons for denial have been forward in this thread, yet you still choose to parrot that line. I usually hate these arguments about language, but when an alliance leader in your position doesn't understand the subtleties of the language being used they become necessary.