TwistedRebelDB47

Supa: However far away, I will always love you, However long you stay, I will always love you, Whatever words you say, I will always love you, I will always love you!

I couldn't ask to see something better in CN after work!

Much love to Aircastle! I'm glad y'all have finally come out of the shadows and entered the world of politics.

Tromp! As President! Woohoo! Sad to see Mike go, but I know you'll be back soon enough. Great leader like you can't sit out too long!

Hell yeah, ARES! Glad to see you're still in with us. Let's keep the rolling going.

That's an acknowledgment to us that you made a mistake? I don't see it anywhere in there. Try again.

Funny that even I can acknowledge the mistake on our end, but that you can't recognize the mistake on your end for the misleading bios.

Not in it for righting past wrongs? I thought if anyone knew our history with TPF, you would know what "wrongs" we wanted to "right." Several others know we were ready to do it regardless of the current war. This raid, while it seems unlikely, is not something we did to spite TPF. Sure its hard to believe, but that wasn't the reason why I approved it. We did it because California stated in 50% of their bios that they were no longer protected by TPF. An alliance who's been around for a few months and protected for ages all of a sudden begins writing that they were protected by TPF is incredibly misleading. This wasn't an isolated bio or two. This included their leader and everyone else who seemed to be in charge. I say seemed because there's no information on their leadership from the initial protection OR the Wiki (which also doesn't mention any TPF protection). Honorable, dishonorable. Its all subjective to what an individual believes. We have our morals and rules we abide by, and we don't break them. We walk into every war knowing there's no end until our allies are out. We treat every raid as "respectfully" as it can be (let's not turn this into an argument about that). I analyzed the current situation, saw the prevalence of the bio messages, and made the call that California had decided "not to active the ODP" because they "were a protectorate of TPF." I don't think its anything but fair for both sides to understand the mistakes they made, peace, and move on. California has an old friend of mine in Deathdread. If we wanted to spite TPF, we would hit someone far more involved in politics. This was just us finding the most relevant and up to date information (straight from the source) saying they were NOT protected. We weren't going to pass it up. Also I think its amusing TPF is saying they would rather this be a DoW than a raid, just so they can try and extend the war at the expense of their protectorate eating extended damage. If that's the case, talk to me, California, and we'll discuss a DoW and immediate white peace. We have no intentions of taking out our rage on TPF against y'all.

But, J, you big heap of lovin'.. you can't disown your son! Just so I know for the future, please bold the points where I "yell, whine and BAWWWWWWW." Also, why would "the only reason" you went into peace mode be because we didn't properly stagger? That means five days until you can hit PC, instead of three. You ran to PM because you've been flat broke since day three of the fight. We have the spy ops. You still didn't answer me in a "typical Kilkenny post", how much aid have you already had to beg for to make it through? A quick look at your aid page shows $15m. I know that isn't all. We followed our rules in this raid. Your protectorates' bios clearly stated that they were no longer protected by TPF, and if you read my post before, you would know that their bios were from 5/20. Easily the most recent news about their protectorate status with TPF, compared to any forum post or Wiki page. Why would an alliance that raids want to raid us? Sounds like the least profitable raid you can ask for. Oh, and you know your alliance raids too, right? Just because its limited to "None" doesn't mean it's not raiding. Regardless, peace has been sent to all California targets from all of Poison Clan for quite some time now.

Rock on, Blackhorse. Avalon has been a good raid so far, let's keep it going.

Split in two posts cause too much quoted text: The Bus Doctrine says nothing about preventing raiding on the Pink sphere. It only states that we will not tolerate the use of cruise missiles, aircraft, nuclear weapons, etc. on a raid for no reason, and we have not gone against that wording and done it ourselves. All members of Poison Clan have sent peace. If you want screenshots of their sent messages page, I'm sure it can be arranged assuming California nations haven't deleted any messages. Also, just read iAlan's post stating that to his knowledge, all California nations have received peace. No sir, I asked Velocity to take screenshots of every nation bio before beginning the raid. Proof is available in the screenshot he posted. Or I'll just pull logs from our channel about it, and you can all hoo and haw about how they are made up or something. The only taunting PM's are to the cowardly TPF nations hiding in peace mode. Keep hiding, sista. I guess when you deal with TPF, you need to imagine yourself speaking to a 2nd grader. Here.. Look at the "Last Activity" field, and add the days inactivity to it to solve the puzzle. The result should be 5/20 as the date of screenshots. Then, please proceed to look up the dates/times that we raided. Proceed to stick that foot.. well you know the deal. Or do you need instructions for this as well..? Sure would if they are interested. Its obvious TPF has no intentions of defending their protectorate. Also from reading iAlan's responses, its clear that California are some good people. Oh and hi Deathdread!

I would like you to find an instance of an alliance that began without a protectorate that we did not raid. (This is so that we can raid them now if they continue to not have a protectorate) Fully engaged would be if you would stop hiding, Mr. Ihada$30warchest. Yes, that's $30. Enough for a sandwich bag, some rubber bands, a grilled cheese sandwich, and a pop gun. Congratulations on being quite possibly the worst Minister of War in Cybernations. By the way, how much aid have you received so far? Terra Prime disbanded before we even went into a room for deciding terms. It could have been $3m/50 tech to one nation. Sharing is caring. I'll just answer both with one statement. If the statement that they "WERE" A TPF protectorate was pasted in half of their members' bios, then yes, we can raid them. Considering I like to keep tabs on most of the smaller alliances around for raiding and the text in their bios are fairly new, their bios clearly are more up to date information than any Wiki or Forum information. The bios were up to date as of 5/20/2009 from Velocity's screenshots. The forum post and Wiki edit for California are well over a year old. What information is most relevant and up to date? An old Wiki from a protector, or the brand new bios of the protected? Trust me, it wasn't stagger so much as people getting on IRC late and hopping in to get raid slots.

I am happy and now I'm drunk. No wait. I am drunk and now I'm happy. Now nuke these mother$%&@ers. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW!!

With a title of "Die NPO DIE" what were you expecting? This thread is a lot more entertaining than your threats to raiders. :lol:

Yes. BAC of at least .08 before you are allowed to post on the OWF. Wouldn't that make it so much more fun?

So something completely not enjoyable. Maybe shotgun a couple Steel Reserves?

Badass. I'll be sure to save a Duvel for the occasion as well. What should I get for the TPF surrender?

Glad to see you guys rolling in! Let's make sure no TPF can run and hide.

I read this topic and started flipping through our own membership for a good one, thought this was cool: About Realm of PBXs: Poison Clan does not believe it is their job to forgive our attackers. That job is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting. Nukes Delivered:24. Nukes Eaten: 10. Deflected:19 Mine is fairly boring, just a way for me to keep track of stats.

Congratulations, Continuum! You always were something I wished would dissolve.

Good luck, ARES, and glad to have you here beside us. Why do people complain about the number of alliances they are facing? You knew what you were going to face when you entered the war.

I remember when Brandon Simonson convinced me to start playing Cybernations. I remember fighting Bulbboy of FAN on my third or fourth day in the game. I remember fighting Polaris, BAPS and GPA. I remember raiding two or three nations a day to pay my bills and hoard land. I remember Greenacres and Chinatownbus forming Poison Clan and running there quick. I remember raiding two or three nations a day again and taking loads of flak. I remember fighting Norden Verein, FCO, USN, Nueva Vida, and Atarax. I remember seeing my world crash as every ally we had canceled on us. I remember surrendering to TPF. I remember the sixth time I passed 5k infra to get my WRC. I will always remember my revenge on TPF. I remember being irrelevant the entire time and glad I still am.

Love you guys at NEW, glad to see you get a good set of terms and walk out now. GantanX

RAD was coming to end the war. I don't care what your reasons were for leaving, or the time frame. RAD was coming to help out our protectorates and I trust they would have been able to seal the deal as soon as they got involved. I told you that RAD was coming as reinforcements to make you rethink your decision of staying for another day or two. Is it worth it to you to do two days more damage to TFO/IS and eat RAD's nukes? I think we both can agree that the decision was no. Letting you know RAD was coming was to your benefit and ours. It prevented TSI from taking unneeded damage, and it prevented TFO and IS from taking unneeded damage. The only loss was for RAD missing out on some war, but I made sure we could get my boys right back in. EDIT: Regardless, good luck to our brothers at The Forsaken Ones helping us take care of business with Avalon! I couldn't ask for better friends and allies than the crew we got today.

Ask TPF what "honor" is. That cancellation term of the NAP was designed by TPF to exploit the treaty in their own favor. Don't cry because we utilized it first.