Lord Boris

Most objectively true statement in the entire thread.

Who opted not to raise an issue until they felt he was in an alliance that they could try to push around.

Because most of you would likely pull stunts to wind yourselves back on various levels of ZI within a week.

GOD's first strike nuker in another front of that war wasn't kicked out either, Xiphosis. Are you really sure you want to go on a double-standards path right now? Now, furthermore, the fact that TPF is sticking with its ally in Zenith and Kaiser Martens should be clue. TPF has been one of the most outspoken alliances in regards to removing any trace of NoR and NoV from CN, and yet even they don't feel compelled to condemn Martens right now. This should be a clear sign you're getting a bit overly vindictive right now, even by your standards.

I'd say that pretty much sums it up. The additional problem I see with people arguing about the morality of it is the fact that all morality is grossly subjective. That makes the only real objective way to look at it a question of ability. Of that, there is very little question.

I think you're both wrong. We all know the majority of bad moves and reckless behaviors come on Thirsty Thursdays.

The first and most severe fallacy of the OP is assuming Vox has an ideology, unless you count borderline mindless hate as an ideology and a will to stoop to any low in order to make claims that another group is low as one.

If his own leaders are worth their positions, they won't likely tell him anything good, either.

I'll admit, I just chuckled a little bit.

You only wish you did, Mia

How typical of a troll like King Penchuk

I find myself in complete agreement here.

I saw that flag/banner, and all I can say is... Hallowed are the Ori... er... SCORN. Congrats. You've found a great protector.

Cheers to a much improved senate, GR!

Certainly more personable than you have been in a long, long time, my good sir Sponge.

Good to see FEAR growing in the nuke count lately. They've gone up about 100 in the last couple months.

Why would we waste our time on small change? :jihad:

Actually, they attacked you for attacking our protectorate, which put us at a de facto state of war with you, and typically grounds for MADP activation since we were already busy with GR. Now, that said, though, I'm glad we've all been able to move on

I'd listen. (No, seriously. Classical music is ftw.)

I only wish I had an invite to that party. EDIT: and no, I have no intentions of attacking TGE, however my history with them is such that I don't think I'd mind their downfall.

Having support does not necessarily preclude TGE from the lame duck category.

If TGE is being used as a catalyst, it's because they've either done something to warrant that status, or they desire that status.

One could make the argument that TGE has been ill for quite some time. When a person who knows in detail what is going on, people are usually wise to listen. Tis unfortunate I feel mhawk's words here are not heeded as much as they should be.

I once canceled some PIATs and NAPs due to an audit. What's your point?

You're going under the assumption that only two treaties have been canceled up to this point.