MadScotII

If you go to the table - you shouldn't need to leave it and go running back to your alliance. Either the leader goes to the table or you give someone permission to agree/disagree with any terms that pop up. Negotiations happen at the table, not back in your own alliance. I don't think they were. Last time I checked TPF "demands" White Peace Athens Diplo runs away to ask for permission if this is ok TPF get sick of waiting for an answering, knowing it is no skin of their nose at this time so leaves declaring negotiations at an end Athens diplo returns with permission to accept White Peace Now, unless the Athens diplo went looking for TPF's representative and conveyed to him the answer then it is a moot point as no agreement was reached.

That's the problem, the person in charge of TPF's part of the peace talks asked for White Peace. It's not TPF's fault the diplomats that Athens et al sent to discuss the matter had no authority to agree to anything. If I was TPF, and had a feeling back up was coming, and the fact Athens et al sent people that could not scratch their own backsides without permission to talk I would walk out too. You mean like Vox and FAN? I fought both and neither I would have classed as cowardly.

I must have missed the part when TPF attacked first. Can you show me it please. And please for the love of Admin, don't point me to the part where mhawk sets up Zero Hour etc. If that was the problem it would be Zero Hour who would be burning right now - not TPF, since it is better to destroy the weapon so it can't happen again rather than the wielder, as someone else could just pick up the weapon. As for the peace negotiations, well by god you didn't really go into them prepared. Why the hell should TPF hang about, even for a second so you can discuss it with those that make the decisions in the Alliance. Either those people take care of the negotiations or the person that does receives full authority to accept anything. EDIT: I not good at typing

Yeah but not the "wronged parties" - and people wonder why others think there is something more than "OMG you spiez!!!!!1111oneoneoneone" to the CB

That must be why that dummy alliance lays in tatters... oh wait...

To be fair to TPF, if someone sent a member of their alliance to discuss peace terms with me, and they were not authorised to accept terms (whatever they are) and had to run off and get permission I would tell them to stuff it too - how unprofessional. Anyway, once a decision was made, TPF's representative had already left, did Athens hunt them down and say yes it is acceptable?

Huh... just what we need, another discussion on the fake CB Just once I would like to see someone tell the truth but alas, I guess it will be a long time before I see such

I see nothing wrong with that stance either. The only thing I see is Athens being stupid enough going into Peace Talks without knowing what was and wasn't acceptable. Why in gods name would you go into peace talks without a minimum and maximum allowance. If you would have accepted White Peace then, by god you should have known before you went into the peace talks. You shouldn't have to start peace talks and then run off half way through to get permission to accept a term.

Why would they declare war in defence of TPF a week ago. Who were they at war with then?

People who were against the NPO have already came in here and said there is no problem and that the NPO are not in violation. Congratulations Mary on your expanded position EDIT: To add quote

If anyone gets bitter about a war then they really need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror before given themselves a good slap - embarrassing to become that way.

Nor has anyone from TPF moaned about the lack of DoW in support of them. Doesn't stop many people bawwwing about that fact...

I think it will only become hypocrisy if say an ally attacks an ally and FOK does nothing and then iFOK attacks/is attacked by an ally and they back iFOK up.

A more than fair stance - no BS, unlike 99% of the threads that have been posted before and during the current conflict. I only have one question - who the hell let the Piggy ( ) make an announcement

To be honest I've never seen the need for a CB apart from I want to cripple x, y or z or their land and tech - which for 99% of wars started on here would finally be the truth - including this one.

Exactly, but the person I quoted did not mention mhawk - how can I suggest they are real if all the evidence he provides in his post is copy and paste logs. Guess what all it means is logs should never be used in a CB - because to be honest they suck.

Actually there is no proof that no editing has been done on here. I am shocked that the only logs accepted is not screenshots, but people actually accept copy and paste. Not that I doubt it - why should I, no one has ever edited any logs, ever!

Best comparison by far Halflinger. In fact apart from names and the bodyguard I see no difference in the two - and I spent almost all my time (until this November in fact) in Valhalla. Although we managed to make up with a few of our enemies (namely TheLegion and BAPS) - it is yet to be seen if Athens can be big enough to do such things.

Thanks for calling every poster in here an idiot. Next time keep the insults to yourself cause they're not really nice You are right, the coalition formally known as Karma is dead while at the same time The Hegemony is dead, as the creaters of that name no longer exist. Just a shame certain people cannot let bygones be bygones - just means some people get to blow some things up - or moan about the fact people have far more important things than their nation to worry about at this time of year. Also, why n gods name would you if this is going to be a glorious war, with both sides actually possibly being in the right would you want to argue over it and spoil it via the forums, when it doesn't matter who puts out the better argument as it will be the victors who decide who was right. Less bawwing, more fighting - and that includes those bawwing at TPFs allies not marching in yet - ffs, only TPF have that right and they're cool with it. EDIT: To add in quote replying too

No they are not the new Hegemony - there will never be a new one, although the nWo is no different from the old, but anyone who thought it would be are idiots. Although Athens' actions are in no way different from Valhalla, TPF or GGA with regards to hiding behind true powers while taking out their or their motherlands enemies. The difference is who that power/block is. For the three old timers it was NPO (we all know it, and I have to admit it was fun ) now it is just MK or CnG etc. Have fun with it, but for the love of god remember why you "supposedly" stood up to the NPO when it comes to the end of it.

You mean alliances that eh... M*A*S*H are possibly allied to. M*A*S*H would have picked the wrong side if they went with Athens, as Athens brought this war onto themselves. While their other allies had the war basically forced upon them. Although I have never understood how a "D" part of a treaty can be activated by an alliance coming to the aid of another - since the nation just entering is still attacking an aggressor and technically Athens have declared war on every alliance that has a MDP or greater with TPF, so if anyone did attack M*A*S*H would not need to defend Athens as by default Athens (and RoK) were the aggressors in those wars too - but then again, I wasn't here when these fake rules were decided on Planet Bob

The thing is, all I see is whining in the OP about not being able to start a war with someone because no one has come to defend TPF yet. Although, MK do not need anyone to enter the war to get a war, as Skippy nicely pointed out for us Athens are tied with MK through a MDAP. Come on, if you can't find a CB to attack the alliance you want to attack at least come out and admit it, instead of moaning about the fact the said alliance has not come in to defend another alliance. Just declare war FFS and stop the moaning - and wait to see if the alliance you want to hit declares on you. [OOC] Keyboard hard men FTW [/OOC]

And I love to see Seipher being modest.... Congratulations on the treaty guys and gals

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