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[quote name='KOwens06' timestamp='1291587360' post='2531251'] Oh yes can you please point out where I have so called whined? If I recall correctly my post was thanks for letting us know ahead of time. and my second post was something along the lines of what happened earlier that day. The rest of your post is just attacking us because you have no real argument, Which Im really not going to argue with. First, you use a straw man argument thinking we care and now you are using ad homeninem w/o stating proof other than we whine. Please try better next time. Also were not like you, we at least put our nation on the line instead of just post incessantly over and over with the same content. Like seriously can we stop this back and forth argument. All I stated was we really don't care they DoW'd on us. The reason they did doesn't make sense. The timing is odd and so on and so forth. But we are gonna fight its not a big deal. So please post something new to me other than, All you do is do the same thing in TE round in and round out and we whine. I'd like to have a real argument. [/quote] You must have missed my argument. The Warriors leaders are bad because: a. They should have foreseen possible counter strikes from other alliances b. They think calling the honor or whatever of The Abyss into play will solve the issue of them attacking (I must be on a different page then most others. I mean its a game, who gives a damn about honor. ) c. They didn't research the target alliances. (researching stats for the 'fair war' ideology does not count. It's much more efficient to research their friends and not assume they won't jump in because the war is 'fair'.) [quote]All I stated was we really don't care they DoW'd on us. The reason they did doesn't make sense.[/quote] It makes sense to me. Whats not to get? They had a treaty. They used it. Do you want some deep philosophical answer that involves their feelings and emotions of why they choose to attack you?

[quote name='KOwens06' timestamp='1291584760' post='2531195'] Haha you act like we care. We just think the move by them to interrupt a perfectly good war was stupid. But oh wait your on the said that thinks we whine and don't do anything.... right.... [/quote] You do whine about a lot kind of like me. You guys are just like me. Isn't that fantastic. But hey, I'm not saying your not doing anything here. I'm saying your leadership isn't the brightest.

[quote name='memoryproblems' timestamp='1291582892' post='2531156'] You act as if we should be concerned about RE. I'm not sure that we see it the same. [/quote] Make what you want of it. You reap what you sow.

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1291579791' post='2531118'] Based on every single little thing - this used to be a fair war. I've gone far beyond what I've needed to do to prove it, stats, fact, tier comparisons, we can argue activity and NS and use examples from other recent wars, whatever else is needed. It was a more than fair war. Only an idiot still argues differently. You're just so useless. If you spent half the time you use to blather on stupidly to actually play the game - no, I guess you'd still be an idiot tho. [/quote] It takes 5 minutes a day to play the game. Derp. I'm not going to refresh my nation page multiple times. You missed skill level of individual nations. Things that CANT be documented in a statistical form is what I am getting at. Things that can't be put down on paper. So many unmarked things come into wars play that arguing about the 'fairness' of the war is pointless. If you spent half the time of your worrying about the fairness of the war trying to find someone to get on The Abyss... well might as well make that The Abyss and RE. You kind of screwed up on that note. I wouldn't blame RE for attacking.

[quote name='Bionic redhead' timestamp='1291578544' post='2531092'] But it's a fun hole (hurr hurr), even if it is decidedly unfair. Heck, if it wasn't for stuff like this I'd never get to practice getting out of anarchy. [/quote] A wars fairness can't be stat based. It depends on the level of activity with every alliance, upper tier compared to lower tier nations, and generally every other little thing in the book. Just because the nations, NS and whatever else was on the same page does not generally make it a fair fight. It makes it an even fight. Fair fight talk is generally retarded and if you want to make the fight even again go grab some alliance who wants one of these ones dead. There is a solution to the dilemma. (protip: if you don't want an uneven fight, try not to piss off more alliances)

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1291577987' post='2531083'] Yeah I knew you'd be along. This thread stank bad enough to attract flies Why don't you get that shiny new nation of yours all dirty? Ohwai you don't do things, just flap your keyboard. [/quote] Yep I know this is how you resort when you are stuck in your own hole.

Hey warriors. Remember when I was saying think through declarations of war? Ya, I think your leadership is sucking some because they failed to think about what might happen after going from point 1 to point 2. You know how I know? Your complaining about something you said you had no problem if other people did. Oops.

Although its hard to keep track of the point (i hate forums and the internet communications, its so hard to keep things straight). The point is, we think your doing it wrong, you think we are doing it wrong. We complain at each other yada yada yada. You grant your soul to me yada yada yada. We all are in big disagreement over things to be done. We are all full of spite and many of us need to take a 5 month break from the internet blah blah blah. We will never agree blah blah blah. People make threads saying another style of play sucks (people did it to flag runners as well. many of the same people who did it are now chastising others for doing it). Believland is obviously rocking his goal at creating drama. The general quality of internet conversation goes down related to the last real life contact of people (i dont know who but someone in these forums is really dragging stuff down or something). Ummm... you grant your soul to me. I've had many people call me a bad player, so if someone calls you a bad player get over it. Its an opinion. ummm.... if you knew believland was trying for drama why did you so easily fall into his trap. and better yet anybody elses trap for that matter. ummm you grant your soul to me. Posting a bunch of counter arguments won't really get anywhere on the internet. i know, i'm a professional at arguing dumb things for entertainment. ummm... victory for ZIM. All who agree sign below. X_______________________________ edit: uhh i dont know why i quoted whoever i did. oops. that means i love you on forums. accidentally quoting people, because you know it was on purpose

[quote name='Judge X' timestamp='1291306251' post='2528047'] Why don't you just cry? I agree with Clash. Put up or shut up. Simple as that. I give props to Nascar and Adude for at least trying to pull their $h!t together and get their AA's going in the right direction, but this whining is despicable! I think a show of doing is in order. Stand by. [/quote] Your mind is simple. Your emotions are a single color. Your thoughts are a single line. If you begin to be more complex things should be like this: [img]http://ih2.redbubble.net/work.4340878.2.flat,550x550,075,f.tree-of-thought.jpg[/img] To be fair you guys remind me of my neighbor's kids. They are always outside playing and then when one of them gets hurt they start yelling very aggressively over it. The true question is why are you crying over us discussing this? If you have no input other than "quit whining." "quit making te like se." leave. I believe this thread is directed at those who are interested in trying something different. And really your further complaining of complaining is only more of a nuisance than the original complaining. If you are happy with the way things are and [i]truly[/i] believe no one will be interested in changing things up why do you come here? People interested in change are spreading it to others who may be interested as well. Point. Get over it. All you say is, "enough whining. do something." What in the hell do you think this thread is for? As I said above. You guys complain when nothing is done. And you guys complain when something is done. If I wanted to make you guys happy I would have bought you roses and sang you a song. If nobody is interested in doing something different, there is nothing more to it. But a fair number of people have shown interest. If people use the forums for getting others interested there is no problem with that. Just... go to your war threads if you don't care.

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1291269914' post='2527842'] How egotistic is it to think your lazy personally biased opinion is the only truth? None of that crap is the truth. It's your personal stereotypes down in text. That's it. I will say once again: GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND DO SOMETHING. Enough whining! No more talk! Go Do! Do you EVER do anything? Right now. You and Beazy and Confusion get off your fat bloated lazy butts and go plan an alliance for next round. Do whatever it is that you want to do. Do whatever theme you want, do TE however it is that you think is best. "Do" is the key word though. Enough with the "everyone isn't as cool as I am" posts/threads. This is the truth: The truth is whiny snivelly threads like this one drive people away. [/quote] Do is the key word. So it would be nice if leaders did do something. Including you. It must be nice when a small group of people try to keep TE thriving with new blood and interesting the players to stay while you get to watch. Hey, just remember. When TE hits the rock bottom and all that is left is the die hard elite players you will realize what we are talking about. Edit: Also people complain about when things are done as well. What is up with you people? You complain at everything that is different it seems.

I guess the truth is rubbish. Neat.

[quote name='Mistress Demona' timestamp='1291267857' post='2527813'] Go for it, people - if that's the kind of system you want. It's not like I haven't experienced exactly this previously so no hurt feelings on my part. [/quote] The current leaders watch rather than do. When ever something interesting starts nothing goes beyond it. Even when the original attempt was mainly for the sole purpose of getting something going. And when things do escalate it usually is hectic but still to many leaders watch rather than do. I'm no leader though, I'm just stating the difference. I already have a war system I enjoy and the current overall alliance war style does make it more enjoyable.

[size="5"][b]Current war system[/b][/size] [b]War length[/b] - No less than 2 days and no greater than 7 days. [b]War strategy[/b] - We will say in the DoW nobody interfere and if they do complaints will ensue on forums. [b]War tactics[/b] - If we are ZI'd it's over because our casualty count is important. [b]War reason[/b] - Casualty count down declare. [b]War profit[/b] - Casualty count increase. [b]War peace[/b] - It's been a fun war good job to all. Look at my casualty count now! [size="5"][b]Old war system[/b][/size] [b]War length[/b] - As long as it takes to do the job or be defeated trying. [b]War strategy[/b] - The enemy might have secret allies so we better be ready for a heavy counterattack and make sure our friends are ready as well just in case. [b]War tactics[/b] - If we are ZI'd re roll and re declare ASAP. Prevent the opponent from re rolling by keeping the ZI'd opponents with at least 1 active war. [b]War reason[/b] - These guys are doing this and it does not fly with us. So we are going to go to war until they change or are destroyed/disbanded. [b]War profit[/b] - Depends on war scenario. [b]War peace[/b] - We aren't going to give them peace until they do what we want. Either they surrender or we do. Victory or death! [size="1"]edit: if you didn't catch my drift, i think things are based on casualties to much. [/size] I'm just a humble rogue but with a pocket full of re rolls I have had much more war than those on the top of the casualty list. I don't have proof, but I do have a body count rather than a casualty count. I fought for around 2 1/2 weeks straight outnumbered during every declaration for a goal and accomplished this goal. A lot of other people gloat about how they had this 4 day meaningless war with this other alliance and how they had higher stats at white peace. The only people who have the right to gloat in the last 4-5 rounds is OP and OB for what they did to LE. (but i don't mind the roguing situation. for those who know what I am talking about. he he. it is kind of obvious why it is a good time for rogues. but if someone somewhere is curious I can fill them in :3 through a message.)

[quote name='Thomasj_tx' timestamp='1291097830' post='2526388'] Lot's of re-rolling talk going on here. [/quote] I've rerolled 4x this round I think. [size="7"][b]:3[/b][/size] And yes I made my emoticon really big.

I realized something, but I don't think I will share. It might ruin everything

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1290515572' post='2521171'] Not only that, the alliance I lead now is stronger than it's ever been, as a community. [/quote] Your an emotional leader, which is why I call you bad. You along with others in that community seem to run completely on emotion. Once you don't overreact to things that happen in your alliance you will be a good leader. As for the war situation. War is not about who is right, it is about who is left. War is deception. Obviously the colors of this war are not to be looked at so simply.

1,479 Attacking + 1,479 Defending = 2,958 Casualties I just thought I'd share this, never been one for the casualty races but I do fancy the rarities of casualties numbers. Thanks to the Pumpkin King (FarFromPukin) and Ernie I have achieved glory o/ HUZZAH \o It will be increased though so I took a screenshot to put it on my wall for always to be remembered. The time I got 2(1479) casualties.

I do enjoy the sight of these things. Brings a tear to my eye ROUND 2 FIGHT [img]http://i50.tinypic.com/33u7oqt.gif[/img]

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1290463985' post='2520586'] My name is Arrnea. [/quote] [b]Confusion[/b] - screws over alliances (what does screwing over entitle? losing an elaborate war or literally destroying an alliance to the point of breakup or disbanding due to leadership issues? if its the latter read the parathesis's on Arrnea) [b]Arrnea[/b] - screws over people (screws over alliances) You catch my drift. You along with the other government members during that period mentioned above screwed me over along with many other members so you could continue playing leader. Ya I'd pick Confusion over you and die in an elaborate war scheme any day. You [i]really[/i] have no room to be a judge of leadership.

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1290436035' post='2520291'] Confusion is a joke, really. He talks big, but he's screwed more alliances than I care to count with his general incompetence. [/quote] Oh yeah... I know a few people... just... like... that... funny how that happens

Duckroll.... or Duck Sauce I feel like I am watching the food channel

[quote name='spearo' timestamp='1290061941' post='2516548'] Sorry Paul but no matter how many different ways you try to piece crap together it will still be just that crap. [/quote] If you spray paint it gold though, some poor sap will buy it off of you :3

[quote name='souparmon' timestamp='1289971137' post='2515712'] You must have really liked the one we just gave you! [/quote] Truly I did, but it isn't over yet so don't talk past tense. There is still a month left of the round.

Cute war