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[quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1280378461' post='2393546'] o/ Best of luck both sides But that puts you against the war and hate bus due to our MDAP with Yuri [/quote] Mhm ^-^ totally worth it to use the adorable kitten launcher

Here at OMGKITTENSGOMEW, we are proud to announce a MDAP with Yuri. So just know that we are under an agreement. [quote][center][size="6"][b]MDAP of Yurism[/b][/size] [IMG]http://i26.tinypic.com/mj5y4z.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac118/fuyushimoshi/chi.jpg[/IMG] [b]Article !-Friendly Girls[/b] We will help each other when the other wants it. [b]Article @-@Smart Girls[/b] Smart girls where glasses @.@ [b]Article #-Fun Girls[/b] Sleepover's will be held every Friday and Saturday [b]Article $-Sweet Girls[/b] We will distribute sweets at these sleepover's (wink) [b]Article %-Confusing Girls[/b] In Article $ the sweets are cookies [b]Article ^-^Silly Girls[/b] I made a face using the Article symbols ^-^ [b]Article &-Curious Girls[/b] Any party can bring into question any of these Articles [b]Article *-Harsh Girls[/b] Either party can terminate this alliance at anytime, no questions asked [b]Signatures[/b] Randall I - Overlord of YURI Youmu - Kitten Warlord [/center] [/quote] For further news, if anybody reads this far, I hereby break the treaty and declare war on Yuri Unified Royal Imperium. Good luck.

The picture I have asked for [img]http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae28/ttranhl/Alliances_Pre-AbyssWar.jpg[/img] Provided by Bcortell Now it was fair pre war, but NB still had 'war growth' of 40k near or after the DoW (seems a bit high for stocking up military) When I looked at stats, it was when Bacon said take a gander at the stats, so I did, it showing LE 150k, NB 150k and The Abyss, 200k (seemed unfair). So it was fair enough at war's start barring large NB growth of mysterious origin, but fair enough not to matter. Sorry to all whom I have to be sorry to (I think only one, which is Son of Taeper and recent arguments) I will admit I was wrong on the part of stats. A lesson to all, people should start using screenshots for war stats, seems more logical then leaving it in text or a link to the CN statspage. (still argumentative about last rounds CDT war and both LE's and 'CDTs' (previous CDT members) misconception of it). I'll be done now, I am content with my findings.

[quote name='Son of Taeper' date='18 July 2010 - 08:33 AM' timestamp='1279463620' post='2377222'] I recall Abyss as having more nukes than our combined total at war start. I also recall growth rate as having slowed for a while for no apparent reason which indicated warchests. As all alliances above them seemed to have their hands full, the only way a war could come, was down. That would be a 2 on 1 ratio if they chose to hit the alliance below them or about 1 on 1 if they chose to hit the two alliances below them. Charts show Abyss as having a phenomenal growth rate prior to war with LE. 45, 000 NS give or take a bit compared to 7,000. NB grew at around 39000. and then lost a few members. The question is, who saw the war coming? Abyss were well geared up for it. At what stage they stopped growth was anyones guess as there was never a formal dec on how large they would grow or who they would amalgamate with. But to get back to your explanation of a stomp, I'd appreciate some figures please. Tech, NS Infra, Air, Cruise, Warchest, Spys, Trades. How do we define an unfair advantage? Is it an unfair advantage for me to attack you over update just because I know you can't make updates? Is It unfair for me to attack you because my stats show I have experience in wars and your stats show you have none? Where does it end? [/quote] You'll deny it to the ends of the earth, which is why it's ignorance. You won't admit what you know is accurate, even without nuke advantage (which I was wrong at, I recall 40 nukes in The Abyss with LE and NB at around 30 each, but I did not pay attention to that as much, only the NS and Nations), LE and NB still had quite the advantageous side, and I'd like figures from you showing it was equal, as I have none. And I mean screenshots. My trust of anyone but my closest friends is 0, which means I trust you would post fake stats. I defined a 'stomp', so please no more redefining. If you wanted to define it yourself, you shouldn't of asked for a definition. My point is not to show justice for a 'stomp', no, not at all. It doesn't even have to be considered a 'stomp', just that, you guy's were spitting out inaccurate stats, for both this war, showing it was dead equal ground, and last war, where LE had lost about 10k more NS than CDT, and that was falsified to where it showed CDT had lost about 6k more than LE. Congrats on destroying The Abyss by all means, that's what intelligent people do, but to the extent of twisting stats, is kinda of ludicrous. And bit by bit, even though I did respect LE so highly, I am kind of losing my respect for them, that they would lie not only about this rounds stats, but last rounds as well. No matter the cause of war, you could at least show true stats. edit-changed some CDT's to The Abyss's, lol, to confusing

[quote name='Son of Taeper' date='18 July 2010 - 02:01 AM' timestamp='1279440060' post='2376902'] I was referring to LE Cadet and joking (if it wasn't obvious ). Just trying to get some figures on what constitutes a stomp. As for TPC fighting LE you would have to speak to Bacon or just attack them I suppose. It wouldn't be the first time they ran two wars back to back though. Then there is the question of stomping again. Would TPCs 105 against LEs 55 look like a stomp? And of course Cadet would have to defend it by bringing in 6 members. That would be one alliance v two so would LE then be seen as stomping TPC.? [/quote] A stomp, as I'm taught to call it, is I assume an 'unfair' fight, or off balanced on sides. Such as an army vs militia. It isn't based on alliances, but on NS, nations fighting, and overall chance of victory by one side. This isn't to be looked down on, in my opinion, as raising your chances of victory is part of war. LE and NB vs The Abyss, LE and NB was over 100k NS combined total, over The Abyss, with LE and NB having a nation advantage/nuke advantage, which could be looked on as disadvantage to The Abyss, or, not a 'fair' fight. Now claiming it as equal grounds, is something else.

[quote name='Lochiel' date='18 July 2010 - 01:53 AM' timestamp='1279439610' post='2376894'] Go Away Frosty !! [/quote] And you are? Clash's pet? Here to spread your ignorance like a plague? It seems illogical to tell me to leave where you have no ground. I would not tell you to leave because you post.

[quote name='Clash' date='17 July 2010 - 01:19 PM' timestamp='1279394327' post='2376114'] [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000030"]Here is Frostie's nation.[/url] He has zero casualties. Your opinion on war means nothing until you actually do it. It occurs to me that if TDF - and you - were to have entered the war on Abyss's side, it might have been a more even war. I doubt anyone would have complained, all three alliances would probably have liked it. The war might even still be going on, and everyone still having fun. You didn't though, did you? Yet now that the war's all nice and safely over, you mouth off. Perhaps you were too busy hugging all that infra? [/quote] Clash... your twisting your words to just form hate towards. You were so strong on your stance with me and curbstomps not welcome in TE, and now you switch your opinion just to oppose me. A round's casualties compares to nothing on war experience, you should learn to think beyond an infants mind. Last round I ranked in the top 20 nations. Also, I mouthed off right after the DoW. But my mouthing off can or cannot be considered insulting, I just share an open view on things, and if it's offensive, maybe you should look at yourself and see if what I say is accurate. An honest criticism, tends to be the most hurtful, but also the most helpful. And here is more mouthing off. You sir, are the biggest hypocrite I have ever had the pleasure of conversing with. Also Clash, if you hate me so much, just attack me. I can't say I will be there to defend, as I only log on every few days, and just keep up on world events on a semi daily basis.

This goes for many comments here as well-http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=88948 I'm prone to agree the war was highly dis favorable to The Abyss, by over 100k NS. For those who think it was close, your as ignorant as ReadyFireAim assuming the reasons for the DoW. But there is a point, when one is too blind (those who simply jump in to repeat what a few have said to many times already). Assumptions of other alliances (or other people in general) is stupidity. But stating that The Abyss was largely out favored in the war is nothing more than a fact, and denying this shows your amazing math skills =3 (sarcasm, for what its worth). Many of the posters are now just acting childish. Like a schoolyard bully. That kid threw a rock at that other kid, so let's all do it! 'Bawling' could be true, to a limit, but you guys are 'Bawling' over their 'Bawling', so it makes 0 sense. A curbstomp is a curbstomp, if you want to do it, do it. But don't try to lie and say it's not, or rub it in their face like you are the champion of Steve. Fools.

[quote name='lonewolfe2015' date='14 July 2010 - 08:27 PM' timestamp='1279160806' post='2372033'] Feel free to PM to talk if you feel you've been mistreated in anyway. [/quote] I'm a disgruntled employee of steve. NB put a kick me sign on my back, and LE promptly did so. I want someone to do something about it, while I write angry letters to the CEO of steve. ______________________________ Dear CEO of Steve, There is a dark force working to prevent us from recognizing the vast and incomparable achievements, contributions, and discoveries that are the product of our culture. That dark force is Mr. LE and NB. Let me begin by citing a range of examples from the public sphere. For starters, Mr. LE and NB's smarmy surrogates like to shout, "Let's extirpate the very things that I unmistakably cherish. That'll be wonderful. Hooray, hooray!" But that won't be wonderful. Rather, it'll scatter about in profusion an abundance of pro-Mr. LE and NB hijinks. This raises the question: What is this spiteful fascination Mr. LE and NB has with antidisestablishmentarianism? Well, I asked the question so I should answer it. Let me start by saying that I can say one thing about Mr. LE and NB. He understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount—not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that if a cogent, logical argument entered Mr. LE and NB's brain, no doubt a concussion would result. I myself don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to make Mr. LE and NB answer for his wrongdoings because doing so clearly demonstrates how what I just wrote is not based on merely a single experience or anecdote. Rather, it is based upon the wisdom of accumulated years, spanning two continents, and proven by the fact that I plan to stick to the facts and offer only those arguments that can be supported by those facts. Are you with me—or against me? Whatever you decide, as soon as Mr. LE and NB found the resources to do so he lost no time in fueling the censorship-and-intolerance crowd. The inevitable followed: Narrow-minded ignoramuses started engulfing the world in a dense miasma of conformism. The scariest part of all of this is that a bunch of discourteous heretics have recently been accused of dumping effluent into creeks, lakes, streams, and rivers. Mr. LE and NB's fingerprints are all over that operation. Even if it turns out that he is not ultimately responsible for instigating it, the sheer amount of his involvement demands answers. For instance, has Mr. LE and NB ever considered what would happen if a small fraction of his time spent trying to slow scientific progress was instead spent on something productive? Any honest person who takes the time to think about that question will be forced to conclude that if Mr. LE and NB wants to mete out harsh and arbitrary punishment against his enemies until they're intimidated into a benumbed, neutralized, impotent, and non-functioning mass, let him wear the opprobrium of that decision. I myself despise everything about Mr. LE and NB. I despise Mr. LE and NB's attempts to cast the world into nuclear holocaust. I despise how he insists that he's the best thing to come along since the invention of sliced bread. Most of all, I despise his complete obliviousness to the fact that he has become a patsy to his own malevolence. In the presence of high heaven and before the civilized world I therefore assert that his asseverations serve only to make people increasingly intransigent. At some point, we'll reach an "intransigent event horizon" where everything in the universe will be intransigent. At that point, it will no longer matter that Mr. LE and NB has had some success in paralyzing any serious or firm decision and thereby becoming responsible for the weak and half-hearted execution of even the most necessary measures. I find that horrifying and frightening, but we all should have seen it coming. We all knew that if there's one thing that Mr. LE and NB is good at, it's spreading the germs of hatred, of discord and jealously, of dissolution and decomposition. I would like to close by saying that failure to define our terms more clearly will lead to a deluge of complaints by Mr. LE and NB's hangers-on. /love, The Abyss

Awesome stuff, I love you guys ♥ *looks at my misspelled name and cries*

[quote name='Coverzin' date='13 July 2010 - 10:19 PM' timestamp='1279081139' post='2370311'] Oh, I know my nation is going to get deleted -- Multiple times. I'm going to remake it. Also, we're at 6. I guess I'll do 12 tomorrow? [/quote] Yes yes 12, or possibly 9, 3 member growth each day is decent.

I must agree with [size="7"]yawn[/size] Hard to converse with someone who bathes in ignorance, ReadyFireAim. Fight or Die. Propaganda won't solve it.

[quote name='Hunger' date='13 July 2010 - 11:47 AM' timestamp='1279043221' post='2369415'] Just out of curiosity, what is the matter with being a "flag chaser?" Isn't this "Tournament" edition. Isn't the goal of a tournament to WIN it? Of course, that need not be [i]everyone's[/i] goal, but it is a reasonable goal and a reasonable reason to go to war or make other decisions. TE was a lot more fun before a good deal of people started trying to impose on everyone else their ideas of what TE is or isn't. [/quote] Amen

[quote name='Coverzin' date='12 July 2010 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1278977799' post='2368666'] At the moment we are up to three members. Perhaps I can fulfill your prediction of six by tomorrow. [/quote] Well I admit, it seems to be working just from this post alone.

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='13 July 2010 - 01:23 AM' timestamp='1279005805' post='2369126'] *delete again* [/quote] "LE likes a good fight. You gave us one last round. We're returning the favor."-That is a compliment to CDT. And they are returning a good fight to CDT members in The Abyss. It does not mean they harbor ill feelings and hatred for your attack on LE last round. You attacked a day before they were going to attack you. They wanted it. You fought me last round. You nuked me twice, ReadyFireAim, helped ZI me as I helped LE ZI you. All I sent was friendly messages to you, and my other opponents. I even mentioned you in a [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=87399&view=findpost&p=2340392"]post[/url], saying you were kind. Do you really think anyone in LE hates CDT for blitzing us? Hell no, they love you for it. Returning the favor is because you fought well last round and LE loves a tough fight. And with the additional members in The Abyss, compared to CDT they joined with NB. If you want to slander someone for no reason who was friendly to you throughout the last war, and still is. So be it. But even if you slander them, they still will appreciate the fight. Lonewolfe has his own reasons, and none of his reasons should tie in with LE's reasons, only that they are helping one another.

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='13 July 2010 - 12:51 AM' timestamp='1279003869' post='2369105'] *delete* [/quote] I don't mean to drag this on any further than necessary (only posting because I fought in the last rounds war), but your quoting a single IRC line out of context (if any applies). Do you think I'm a moron? 'Our turn to return the favor this round' is an easy statement to form into your own words, so you'll have to do better. Why would LE want revenge on a war that ended with both CDT and LE on the biggest losing alliance list as 1 and 2, and vice-versa depending on the day and hour. Bacon posted his reason, and your 'response to the DoW' is very incorrect..., which was my only point I intended to make.

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='13 July 2010 - 12:15 AM' timestamp='1279001695' post='2369079'] It would be unfinished if CDT even existed this round. They do not. The Abyss is a completely separate alliance. Does LE remember CDT ever having 80+ members? Seriously, you guys are setting a bad precedent here. This is a war being fought because you guys wanted revenge for last round. And Lonewolfe provided an avenue for that since his motive is to get a flag. [/quote] Take out the you guys. I am not more than one person. They share a similar motive, so they joined together. I personally do not think it matters if you title your alliance differently, it does not change those within. If your willing to claim victory to a war that was a draw, and then say CDT is no more so the war can not be finished, and somehow victory defaults to you, it clearly must be finished. But hey, I do not know their true intentions and neither do you. So you or I, or anyone who is not them, can not claim their cause of war off of assumption.

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='12 July 2010 - 11:53 PM' timestamp='1279000401' post='2369068'] 1. Some of our members, from CDT, fought LE last round and beat them. So LE is basically saying Abyss = CDT. And wants to get revenge for last round. [/quote] "Beat" is a stretch for a war where both sides ended up on the ground. "Unfinished war" would be more accurate.

[quote name='Bionic redhead' date='12 July 2010 - 04:50 AM' timestamp='1278931812' post='2367969'] What is it with all these 1-2 people alliances attacking RE lately? [/quote] Small rebellions assimilate together to quell those they deem tyrants. I'm interested as to whether they will gain the support they hope by setting these events in motion. Maybe they will multiply like rabbits. 3-6-12-24, or maybe their attempts to inspire a fighting spirit among some is futile. I am curious

Why are you redeclaring --> [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=88312"]DoW[/url] Did you surrender in the first war?

Cool stuff here

Ee? some of you people are very strange... to be honest, most of the posts in this thread are complaints about people posting. a thought process is required to post a complaint about people posting, durp. and clash, i know you hate me, but get over yourself ^-^ because i love you

So what was this concluded to? OP beat CIA to nothing and no one knows what goes on in the shadows?

Thanks for taking the effort to post these

[quote name='KOwens06' date='05 July 2010 - 12:51 AM' timestamp='1278312682' post='2360116'] Oh dear lord this is my only response, as I know you are right. First. Stop showing our hypocrisy please and thank you. Second. You said we should attack TDF. We are mentally incompetent and couldn't risk a tough fight. You were the one that gave advice to actually fight. Third. No my mother did not hold my hand. I could say more on that but I don't need to. Fourth. I'd tell you to stop talking about us, but that would make me look like a bigger moron as I'm talking about SF. Please don't respond because I know it will make me look like a fool. [/quote] You should say what you mean.