AzureShadow

I find it shocking that you didn't put yourself on the poll despite having not made a good post since before I started reading these again.

Damn, we need to get recruiting. But congrats, for while it lasts until the war's over. EDIT: I have to say, that pip is pretty boss.

Merry Wintereenmas.

o/ Merry Christmas, FARK.

No, meatshield nations don't help an alliance whatsoever. Anyone who was on the losing side of GWIII should know that, and anyone who has ever been a member of the Legion should know that. We were, after all, the very epitome of that sort of thing back in the day. They hurt more than they help unless you can coordinate them very, very well.

I'm not sure what I like better, the DoW itself or Lanore's pictures. Either way, this thread is excellent despite the fact that I like MHA. Have fun you two.

mpol always makes the best announcements.

Pacifica will surely fight until the last drops of its allies' blood.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1322713701' post='2857618'] EDIT: Mistook this for an IC forum. Turning off the jerk switch. [/quote] I love how that one line sums up your entire personality, Ardus. But yeah, I agree with the notion that we should work on offsite recruiting. Even if only a small handful stay, it will help the population a lot. The population is, slowly, dwindling, and there isn't much that can be done to change that other than direct intervention by Admin changing the game significantly or the players recruiting more than they do. Just please, nobody go looking on 4chan for new members. >_>

Doitzel, because Vox. That's all that needs to be said, really.

This is great, I'd totally get in on this. How many people are you going to be able to have take the class?

This is one of the more creative DoWs I've seen in a long time. Props to you for that.

Drunk DoW is best DoW. o/

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1322325107' post='2852569'] Great read my ass. I'm astounded by my horrible grammar. [/quote] You don't need to have good grammar to explain history well, which you certainly did. It touched on everything enough to explain how most events came about without going into too many details that would make it boring otherwise. It really was a great read.

Blackest Friday for sure. Or at least [i]something[/i] alluding to the fact that it started on black friday.

[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1322231957' post='2850988'] Wait. Wait. [i]Wait.[/i] The New Polar Order doesn't tell [i]anyone of their involved allies of their intent to peace out, including ourselves and STA and somehow the error lies with the people who were intentionally left in the dark?[/i] My god. It all makes sense now. Thank you, [i]so much[/i], for opening my eyes. Grub! Can you ever forgive me? Um. Yes, actually. The NpO kept people not fighting alongside them more abreast of the situation than those that they dragged into their coalition alongside them. It's like you're beginning to grasp the problem here, but refusing to reach the conclusion that the facts of the situation lead to. The OP is a question requesting a detailing of the history of CN. We are discussing two competing views of an event in CN's history. One is correct, and one is stupendously false. Since the OP wants to know about CNs history, surprisingly enough, me correcting your misrepresentations is entirely on topic. Honestly. Lately Im thinking you Legionarres are trying to rip off my playbook and are failing spectacularly at it. But mere imitation will only get you so far. [/quote] It seems like the only actual disagreement we have here is that you think them screwing you was intentional, while I think it was not. Apart from your vigorous anti-Legion epeen stroking, of course, which has nothing to do with this thread or our discussion whatsoever, as I'm arguing entirely from my point of view from \m/. I'll echo the sentiments of dcrews20 and say that having Grub or another high-up in Polar comment on this would be nice to clear up whatever misunderstanding most of the world still seems to have on this issue.

[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1322206801' post='2850907'] Hello. I am in the NSO. I was in the NSO when the New Polar Order peaced out with you, then redeclared against TOP and didnt even bother to let us, their MDP partners, know about this grand master plan ahead of time. What leg do you have to stand on again? Um. Then Grub lied. Shocker. Grub expanded it by inviting TOP and Co to the party, via their chains with us at the time (I know what Im talking about? Wild I know) Name one falsehood I've stated, rather than you "knowing" or "assuming" or "not thinking". Before you go spouting hyperbole, at least make sure that [i]you have some of the facts on your side first[/i]. You may believe that you recall events correctly. You may not think you're misrepresenting what happened. But the fact is just...simply...that you're wrong. Oh well. And this is your weekly history lesson, courtesy of TehChron. [/quote] It sounds more to me like there was a serious miscommunication issue between you and your allies, rather than an actual "master plan" on their part. That's not something to be ashamed of or anything, it happens between alliances all the time. Is it possible Grub lied? Of course. It's also possible that you're the one making reaching assumptions about NpO's intentions when the far simpler explanation is just a serious issue with lack of communications. Hell, we in \m/ probably had better communication with NpO during the war while we were fighting them than you did at the time, going by what you're telling me. Regardless, this discussion has no place in this thread, and it's been derailed long enough. [quote name='Cataduanes' timestamp='1322210174' post='2850927'] Yeah it is ludicrous that word filter is still place regarding the mentioning of the 'other game', hell it is not as if that other game would be able to threaten CN in terms of poaching players and so on. Come on Moderation is it not about time we where able to type the name of a game which via the likes of the NPO, Legion and ODN contributed a lot to CN's early days. [/quote] Does moderation still aggressively ban people that say things that could be interpreted as criticism of them? I have a couple ideas about that, but don't want it to get taken the wrong way and get forum banned because I pissed someone off. But, for sure, that game is a lot of what caused CN to be as popular as it was and is from its inception.

[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1322187074' post='2850748'] ... I'm sorry. Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Grub not only arrayed the coalition personally when he declared on \m/, but I'm relatively sure that the only alliance to change sides mid-conflict in that particular war (and any war, iirc) was the New Polar Order. That was totally their fault. They carried out the action entirely of their own volition. And your alliance government intentionally provoked him, thinking they could get away with it. You might have a case if Grub ended it completely after peacing out with \m/. No one would have had a problem. The issue comes from the fact that the New Polar Order [i]intentionally took that war and used it as an opportunity to screw over the entire coalition they had assembled, including direct allies.[/i] Additionally, what other wars werent their problem? It was all the same war. *shakes his head* And all I need to do is look at your AA to prove my point about the only people giving the NpO any leeway are the ones who can't do any better. Sheesh man, either you're being horribly disingenuous or just have no idea what you're talking about. Either way you're trying to present a view of events wholly divorced from reality. [/quote] I think you're the one being disingenuous by trying to claim that Polar intentionally screwed over their allies. Their allies screwed themselves over quite nicely by turning that war into something a lot larger than the original intent of the war was. NpO made it quite clear to \m/ in negotiations for the blanket white peace that they did not want the war to escalate any farther than the conflict between our two alliances. Trying to make it appear otherwise is foolish and, quite frankly, wrong. I won't claim to know what the ultimate desires of Grub or anyone else in NpO were during that war, but I do know for a fact that the war started between us with the intent of them trying to teach \m/ and friends a lesson and vice versa and the expanded conflict that started as a result had motives by the offending parties for completely different reasons. EDIT: And, for the record, I'm in no way trying to stick up for Almighty Grub or NpO in general. I still harbor quite a bit of resentment for him from how much of a prat he was during that whole deal. But I'm also not going to let blatant falsehoods such as what you're trying to pass as the correct version of history go unobjected either. Unfortunately my account on the \m/ forums no longer exists or I'd go dig up the discussion we had about this very topic.

[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1322165051' post='2850569'] The New Polar Order declared, got TOP/IRON/STA and NSO and its friends involved. Then cut its losses and changed sides midconflict, leaving all of the people that went in with them out to dry. And Im pretty sure it got started over Grub crying the victim over some IRC shenanigans, it was kind of lame. That being said, BiPolar is probably the single biggest backstab in CN history. There were no "three sides", just two, and the Polars rather happily threw their allies under the bus. It's honestly no wonder that no one trusts that alliance , except for the folks that can't do any better. [/quote] It got started over an \m/ member calling Grub a racial slur in IRC, combined with \m/'s string of general ill will towards the game in general and a complete lack of control of its members by the government. I was in \m/ during the whole ordeal, and really we deserved it. The horrible response on part of our government to one of its members going out of his way to be a belligerent asshat was half the reason I left in the first place. The war exploding into the cluster**** it turned into was no fault of ours, nor of NpO's, and I'm still rather unsure as to why people continue to blame them for such. They ended the conflict with us because the conflict was over, the rest of the wars that started as a result wasn't their problem.

[quote name='lazaraus45' timestamp='1321980976' post='2849087'] inb4 Legion rolls you.... again [/quote] As much as I and no doubt most of the rest of Legion would love a crack at him (for the fun of it all, of course), I'm sure there are a few dozen other alliances who have their names on the list before us.

A thread by RV that doesn't outright mention us... What happened to our relationship? I've lost all faith in you, man.

Out of curiosity, Hal, were you inebriated when you posted this? Either way it was amusing.

Skulls for the Skull Throne. Unfortunately, my newest nation is only two days old so I won't be participating. Looks like a helluva lot of fun though.

I will say that that's the most entertaining (and probably accurate) recounting of CN history I've ever read. Good show, chap.

Yes, because paper tigers are certainly capable of kicking $@! when they're being attacked on all sides by almost ten times their number. Anyway, glad to see this. NADC is a bunch of good, respectable, honorable people and it's great to have a treaty with them! o/ NADC o/ Legion