President Hardin

okay. i guess i figured this out. so whoever has helped thank you. i started thinking about something and called him. i asked when he went to the Cybernations page was Register or Login blue or purple. He said purple,which was odd considering he says he cleans his cookies and its been several days since i started this thread. That led me to think his cookies and cache were not being deleted by his computer. He was using disc cleanup instead of an actual outside Windows based application. So i had him install CCleaner. He ran it and cleaned his computer and WAS able to clear the warning notice and start his own nation. So I guess this thread can be closed

[quote][center][img]http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee214/Gofast2006/USN-GDAflags.png[/img] Cora is a MILF, Sig if Your Down Treaty[/center] Preamble: With the signing of this treaty United Sovereign Nations and Global Democratic Alliance hereby commit to uphold the following principles of non-aggression, optional defense, and mutual respect outlined in this Optional Defense Pact. Article I: Intelligence The signed alliances will not perform any acts of espionage against one another. If members of either alliance discover information that may harm the stability or security of the members of the other, they will share this information with the government of the other alliance as long as it doesn't conflict with other agreements with either alliance. Article II: Non-Aggression If a member of either alliance attacks a member of the other, then both alliances will resolve the matter diplomatically. Article III: Optional Defense Neither signatory alliance is legally bound to grant requests of military action or financial aid from the other. However, should such a request be made through official channels by one alliance, the other alliance is highly encouraged to participate and required to hold a vote in their council or other form of decision making body. A request must be made by one alliance which is in need of military intervention or financial aid, it is still highly encouraged that the other alliance participates, although nothing is required legally. In either case, in the event that assistance is granted, it should come as no surprise to the world community. Article IV: Cancellation If one party wishes to cancel, they must notify the other signatory through diplomatic channels at least 72 hours in advance. In the case that the treaty is canceled both alliances agree to 72 hours of non-aggression after the 72 hour cancellation period. Signed for United Sovereign Nations: FluffyEwunga AKA Cora Mcstrap, Alliance Council Beale947, Alliance Council Vladisvok Destino, Alliance Council Borimir Resurrected, Security General Rylejed, Minister of Recruitment Ninia22, Minister of Internal Affairs Gofast2006, Minister of Foreign Affairs Dexomega, Minster of Economics Signed for Global Democratic Alliance: Hardin, President Sippyjuice, Minister of Internal Affairs Shadowkiller, Minister of Defense Bluewater, Minister of Economics Senators: TheSyl Legokid Asianleader Alexander An Achiles Kingofwar222 Greywolf Thendir[/quote] I am very proud of the friendship that our alliances have shared since I have been here. It is with great pleasure that I welcome our alliances one step closer together. Cheers to everyone!

[quote name='Katsumi' date='17 April 2010 - 03:18 PM' timestamp='1271531869' post='2264065'] Nice public relations stunt, GDA. It takes an uninteresting and uninspiring alliance who have never done anything noteworthy to provide moral leadership in this world. Also, I'm proud to announce that my nation's markets remain open to trade with the Gramlins. It's unlikely to happen, I know, but I have no problem with it. [/quote] i know what cracks me up is i have never heard of SOS :/ at least you have heard of us. makes me feel somewhat better as i can see you have over thousands and thousands of posts. so that means you sit in front of your computer ALL DAY LONG ranting and raving about nothing and hoping someone will care. so i'll give you the benefit of acknowledging your millionth post. as i have said before, if i don't know what happened in the past how would i react to it? do you think i should pay money and take a course on CN and learn everything that has ever happened? some of you people are so moronic it just doesnt add up to how you can function. i can only be a judge to the history i have experienced. regardless whether you care or don't care about our putting a tech embargo on Gramlins, it happened so get over it. for the others who have publicly and privately called for the same and acted on it we appreciate it very much.

[quote name='Ghuxalia' date='16 April 2010 - 11:02 PM' timestamp='1271473334' post='2263585'] For the record, BacTalan is the only remaining active member of GDA from 2007. I believe sippyjuice is the next oldest of the active members, and she joined in late 2008. The rest were either new and uninvolved during Karma, or joined after the war. In other words, GDA is a bunch of noobs and inactives. [/quote] you make me want to puke. always have and always will.

congratulations. like this or not it's awesome when long time friends finally get hitched best of luck!

[quote name='Schattenmann' date='15 April 2010 - 09:56 PM' timestamp='1271382944' post='2262097'] Looks like Londo beat me to it. GDA, here's what to do: 1. Disband 2. Get a new name 3. Hope everyone forgets what kind of buttsniffing lackeys you used to be. 4. THEN make announcements like this. [/quote] when relics make reference to the past it clearly shows the clock in your corner of the world quit working a long time ago. Reminiscing in the CN Archives and your IRC log files probably brings back fond memories of times ago but while you sit pondering old theory and negativity we have moved on to better days, great allies, and we have great people involved with our alliance. I am proud of where we are and i don't care to relive what happened in the past. i'll leave that up to you.

[quote name='Londo Mollari' date='15 April 2010 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1271365731' post='2261713'] No GDA and Octava Orden's courageous and meaningful stand has caused me to see the light and Athens will no longer be selling tech to the gRÄMlins. Hey, as long as we're all having a good time. [/quote] i'm not sure if this is sincere considering your earlier posts, but if it is genuine i thank you very much.

i also appreciate our allies' efforts to protest the horrible terms of surrender that have reared their ugly head in CN. You can call it bandwagoning, PR stunt, etc but what it really amounts to is that some of us alliances known for being quiet and letting things happen are finally coming out of their shell, no longer intimidated by the sheer size of these mega giants that roam CN. These acts may not stop others from selling tech to Gramlins, and it is certainly not intended to stop this war, but our point has been made very loudly and very clearly that enough is enough. Every alliance SHOULD have an opinion on this situation, as it truly has the potential to affect surrender terms for everyone in the future. Small as we are, we are stepping forward to voice our little opinion. And, from the looks of things, the support we are getting is coming from those alliances who are progressing forward instead of living in the past. I applaud those who have no relations with us stepping up and joining us, even if for brief second, to show that alliances with totally different views and perspectives can find common ground in the face of this type of threat.

[quote name='Scorbolt' date='15 April 2010 - 03:46 AM' timestamp='1271317596' post='2261108'] This doesn't sound like a neutral policy. You've lost me. [/quote] my point i should have made about the neutral issue was that we are not here to debate the war itself. the war issue itself is between the alliances involved. we are not here to discuss who should surrender and who shouldnt. the point we are making is that any alliance, whoever they are, doesn't have the right to demand just anything on god's green earth in order for it to accept another alliances surrender. if the roles were reversed and IRON was demanding the same stipulations of Gramlins then this post would be condemning their conditions of surrender if they were in fact as outlandish as the ones stated by the Gramlins. This is not about the war in general but the over the top conditions attached. Having said that, yes this can be construed as symbolic, as we do not have mass tech deals with either alliance. But we are reserving our right as a member of the CN community to speak our mind in a peaceful manner about issues that we have disagreements with. It is a courtesy given to us all and one I would like to see more alliances use.

[quote name='Londo Mollari' date='15 April 2010 - 01:46 AM' timestamp='1271310401' post='2261006'] Just because they didn't do it on their own doesn't erase their culpability. And it doesn't make it any less funny to hear former hegemonists crying now that the shoe is on the other foot. "Oh lawdy lawdy, we haz seen the light!" [/quote] I have not been around since the beginning of time nor do i agree/disagree with the past actions of those who served before me because i wasn't here. Certainly, all alliances tend to have skeletons in the closet, yet those skeletons are not mine. I get tickled being a new player when i'm confronted about things that happened two years ago like i can do something about it. If mistakes were made in the past then let that be known; however, we serving years later, do not wish to visit issues that are in the past and that we have absolutely no control over. Alliances change, members change, and the general outlook of alliances change. Elder statesmen that continue to hold grudges for years are the reason for alot of wars on this planet and as long as this old style thinking of "never forget" is around there will always be hostility between the up-and-comers and those who are reliving history. And, I would assume, if there were some specific outrage in the past then it should have been addressed, like this issue has widely been addressed. It is impossible to place the burden of the past on those who serve peacefully in the present.

We, the Global Democratic Alliance, have heard the outrage over the current situation with the Gramlins' handling of their current war with IRON and DAWN. While we remain neutral towards both of these alliances we cannot ignore the extreme terms the Gramlins' have put forth in their efforts to come out ahead in this situation. The terms defy all rationale by seeking dismemberment of nations defenses BEFORE talks can take place. That is widely unacceptable for any alliance to demand such actions, much less eternal war. By allowing this without opposition, it gives alliances in the future much to fear if CN becomes a who can-do-what-whenever-they-want-to and potentially hold alliances hostage for as long as they feel. In the end, this will be more than just about this current war but it will about what are the actual limits and what is acceptable for one alliance to demand of another in terms of surrender. Surely this situation stretches that fine line even thinner. Effective immediately, all GDA nations will be prohibited from buying/selling tech to Gramlin alliance members until the end of the war or until more reasonable terms of surrender are offered, most notably the removal of the "demilitarization before talks will begin" clause and the removal of the "eternal war" clause.

okay ya i don want to jeopardize my nation. i've worked my $@! off for the last ten months and i would freak out if somethin happened. so when he got that warning he called me and he closed the window. so he didnt sign up and i wouldnt even care if we could never ever trade. i just figured there was some leeway to overlook one log in. that would rock. but i don know alot about ip addresses so i'm lost. i don know what to do. does anybody know where i could ask someone officially? there are so many sticky posts and rules that i am overwhelmed on here sometimes. any help on this i would be very grateful.

well i'm hoping to get some sort of answer. i mean surely there are limits to this. i mean its highly unlikely i'll drive thirty miles to log into another computer so i can sell myself tech. in other words, how in the world do they expect people to find this game? strictly by accident? i mean eventually somebody somewhere has shown their friend this game.

Okay here is my issue. I have been playing the game for almost a year now. I went to a friends house 15 miles away from mine in a completely different city to hang out and it was around update so i logged onto my nation, collected taxes, and signed out. done. okay so few days later my friend calls and asks what was that game i was playing. i told him and he calls me back hour later saying he couldn't make a nation because it said he already had one and gave my login name and gave him a message that multi's are not allowed.. where does the madness stop? is there no limit to this? how on earth are we to get others to play this game without showing them what its about? i test drive a car before i buy it, i squeeze the melons before i put them in my grocery cart. i could understand this if i had logged on a dozen times from his home. surely logging in one time doesn't constitute multi nations?

[quote name='The Big Bad' date='14 April 2010 - 07:00 AM' timestamp='1271242784' post='2259954'] I think you are mistaking this being about IRON, it is not. It is about Gramlins. If they are allowed to demand unconditional surrender it will set a precedent that is a direct threat to every single alliance on Planet Bob. As I said before, this not about morals this is about the security of every alliance on Bob. So it is not just IRONs allies or alliances that have anything to do with them that may me involved. Gramlins has placed us all under threat by its actions. [/quote] i agree with this 100% and I have taken one step extra by placing GDA tech sanctions against Gramlins. Our members will not buy or sell tech to Gramlins until they come to their senses. I firmly believe this has a potentially game-changing effect on the way peace deals are struck in the future. If one alliance is allowed to go back on their word eventually other alliances will take this as status quo and repeat the same offense without thought.

ha i wanted to bump this also. i think you guys are very good people and i'm glad i happened upon ya last week. you are all very friendly and its not hard to strike up a conversation with anybody in your irc room, which is #avalanche for those who wanna come kick it Good Luck with the growth and all that good stuff Sir Dog!!

very cool to see USN extending their arm of friendship. how loving good luck to the Nutty Koreans, as you have chosen some very good people to become friends with.

i also see this as deplorable. i think we'd all agree that the diplomatic process is in place to assure that all sides, once terms are agreed upon, can return to a state of normalcy and begin to allow their alliances to heal. it is of my opinion, that once an agreement is reached, it is done and over with. there is no rescinding or adding stipulations AFTER both sides have given the okay (especially when the initiator of said agreement is the one re-nigging on the deal AFTER their demands were accepted the first time) tsk tsk.

yes congratulations from GDA sir i'm glad you're all doing so swell

i think its funny how alliances think they "own" their members. well they dont! we own ourselves and to think that they can run rough shod on someone just because they are under their alliance banner makes me sick. i'm also a believer in keeping your word, which in this instance, looks like gramlins surely did not. thats a shame because i used to hear very good things about them.

congratulations to you both the whole smurf thing rocks it cracks me up. good luck to both of you!!!

congratulations! i wish you both well. i'm glad you got each others backs. it's cool to see wF finding good partners. I am just worried bout everyone getting too mixed up in treaty webs. Cause everybody's friends + my friends + your friends= a big ole mess Wish you both the best of luck especially wF i wubs them!!

aah very well stated. i like it when its all thought out and meticulous. Seems pretty cut and dry. Let the games begin :gun: :gun:

I wanted to make a few things clear after taking a while to figure out what has happened today. First, on the subject of Yersinnia. If you check his wars you will see that he did attack two of our nations, twelve hours apart, on 1/17, ghosting first as Valhalla and second as Federation of Militant Athiests. Then he attacked someone belonging to The World Federation the next day, thinking it was us, but was a mistake on his part. Attempts were made through in game messages that his attacks needed to cease and peace should be offered. At this point, we were more trying to aid our nations more than attack him. We figured he would stop what he was doing considering he is small. Any nation in that range up to no good like that usually does his damage and goes on. However, instead of ceasing hostilities he mass messaged members of our alliance the following: Date: 1/20/2010 10:36:03 AM Subject: Attention World Federation Message: World Federation Members, the war enters its 5th day. Ask yourselves, how can a single nation stand alone against so mightier alliance? Your leaders have failed you, your comrades are anarchied, your government silent, renounce this false assembly of failure and embrace your true destiny. Long Live Freetopia. We tried very, very hard to not do anything about this at first. But after messaging our members it became clear that something else had to be done. No alliance, NONE, would allow someone to outright attack member nations let alone send out messages condemning your leadership. Especially when we have not done ANYTHING untoward to this guy as an alliance. If he has personal issues with someone, he has allowed them to flow over and he has made a scene. So today he was attacked by one of our nations. It's only right and it's only fair. I do not think anyone on our side should be apologizing for any concrete action that has taken place. Now, on the other hand, I want to discuss the PZI slip that occured earlier in detail. When you're faced with something as challenging as trying to answer dozens of messages from your members about what is happening, who is this guy, then trying to negotiate peace, and send out aid, and deal with allies concerns, you can overreact easily. I am sure out of complete frustration that PZI was mentioned only as a "definite" way of getting him to cease hostilities but it backfired into something quite big. The scare tactic didn't work, which left us backtracking on a PZI threat, which we don't even support as an alliance. After talking with everyone and cooler heads prevailing, the PZI was voided and I am assuming rightfully changed to a possible ZI, which at this point to me seems well worth it. This has been a huge headache over one smart $@!. Nobody deserved to be spending all day on here over this. In closing, I would like to be clear on wF policy regarding PZI and ZI. Before i came here a few weeks ago, there was NO PZI OR ZI policy to speak of. It was not allowed by wF and to this day we have no document enforcing either. As a matter of fact, two days ago a revised Code of Conduct was given to me to review and I removed the PZI clause completely. I do not support it at all and I am confident that my alliance does not either. However, the Code of Conduct still contains a ZI phrase for certain offenses, HOWEVER, that has not been ratified as of yet either. Now, being that all government is in agreement with this ZI clause, we reserve the right to pass and act on this immediately if we see fit. I hope this makes the situation a little bit clearer on why things transpired the way they did. I apologize to any other alliance who felt slighted or was taken aback by the situation. I appreciate those who support us in this. We are only protecting our members. It's guaranteed in our constitution. We have to do right by them. President Hardin, wF Minister of Internal Affairs

I also wanted to add my congratulations on this. I think very highly of everyone in TnE. They're a really good group of people and I couldn't say anything bad about them. I wish them the best of luck and I look forward to meeting their ROA counterparts soon CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH!!