SpoiL

I like the idea of it.

[quote name='Kowalski' timestamp='1286123610' post='2473046'] Did this really need a thread or could the question be answered by Fark gov in a private query? [/quote] It needs a thread so everyone can talk about it.

[quote name='Aurion' timestamp='1285990995' post='2471887'] Edit: Assuming that isn't what you're aiming for. If it is I apologize. [/quote] I know you aren't actually trying to insult RoK's government. I'm not that dense. What I am saying is that someone saying what Xerxer said is unfounded because his position as MoFA is a 'low' one is bull.

[quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1285989923' post='2471874'] Oh SpoiL you awful, awful spin doctor. Let me lay it out clearly: You're like Vladimir with a worse vocabulary, no grasp of basic logic, and a complete inability to keep one line of thought. [/quote] I was here for all those so I don't know what you're getting at. Let me lay it out for you: You are trying to discredit Xerxer because he's leaked sensitive info relative to you and yours. You do this by belittling the government position he held as being one of insignificance, uninformed, irrelevant, inconsequential, etc (Hope those words were big enough for you). And if the MoFA doesn't know, surely the little RoKlings are all the more clueless. Maybe this is what Hoo would want

[quote name='Aurion' timestamp='1285989331' post='2471865'] Jog your memory at all? You didn't pick a very good post for your little dig, but I don't think it would make much difference if this is your standard fare. [/quote] k, I'll bite. [quote]If you wanted to imply we're dismissive of Rok's MoFA post[/quote] It isn't implying when I am openly telling you that the very words you said are insulting and belittling RoK government and membership. As for the rest, I guess you are trying to tell me that there are more insulting things that you've said about your ally that I could've quoted. I don't care?..

[quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1285988405' post='2471846'] I don't need Hoo to tell me who's in channels I'm in myself. [/quote] So all your allies that aren't in the private channel are irrelevant. Right-o [quote name='Aurion' timestamp='1285989055' post='2471857'] Oh, so instead of just trying to spin you're doing it [i]and[/i] trying too hard. If you wanted to imply we're dismissive of Rok's MoFA post, there's a better post you could have used. I'm not sure how well using it would work if this is how you usually try and argue a point, but... hey, it's the thought that counts. [/quote] I have no idea what you are talking about.

[quote name='Aurion' timestamp='1285988401' post='2471845'] Saying your attempts suck isn't [i]quite[/i] the same thing as saying "mine are better". [/quote] Right, so I was only acknowledging your damage control. Your post is insulting and belittling to RoK's government positions and needs no twisting of words. All it needed was quoting.

[quote name='Aurion' timestamp='1285988064' post='2471836'] It's pathetic that a guy with even as much access as he had couldn't come up with something better. That's more his fault than it is Rok's if you ask me. I do appreciate the poor attempt at word-twisting though. [/quote] Thank you for clearing that up. Clearly you are better at word twisting then I am. Bravo, sir. roflwaffle

[quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1285985818' post='2471793'] It's lower gov considering that spot in RoK gets you nowhere near any of the higher backchannels. [/quote] Did Hoo tell you this? Might want to check with him first. [quote name='Aurion' timestamp='1285986513' post='2471810'] It's not a good sign that I could do a better job of talking out of my ass (and sound much more plausible about it, too!) about what goes on in SF than a guy who was Rok's MoFA can... and I'm not a delegate, not even lower gov, and don't have access to [i]any[/i] of the secret channels. Ffs. [/quote] I hope RoK has their big boy pants on today with all these insults.

The nails been hit right on the head. The game is boring for one. The only fun part about it is the politics, debate, and war and war is too costly.

[quote][22:07] <Xerxer> We were told to hide from NSO, to get out of public channels, to provide them with NO chance to rectify the situation.[/quote] We already knew, but it's nice to hear you admit it.

What a loser.

Those that always whine about their hated-alliance-of-choice choose that alliance as the 'biggest whiner'.

[quote name='Raven Nation' timestamp='1284337113' post='2451746'] The entire degrade of relations between NSO and IRON has been due to one thing. The fact that NSO only cared about IRON's government members and what they could do for NSO. [/quote] I think you're forgetting the circumstances occurring at the time the treaty was signed.

[quote name='Jens of the desert' timestamp='1284332495' post='2451604'] This is a ridiculous reason to expel this member, and to add insult to injury, they are your friend too? You need to get your priorities right. Also as to why this needed to be put out into the open is beyond me. [/quote] [quote name='Keve69' timestamp='1284332496' post='2451605'] Your flag looks like it has balls. [/quote] I'll echo these 2 things.

Oh IRON.. [quote name='Ivan V' timestamp='1284326521' post='2451448'] Indeed. Hello Krunk, I see you appreciate the 3 million I sent to you far ahead of IRON's planned aidfall to NSO. [/quote] I deeply appreciate your planned aid fall.

[quote name='Yankees Empire' timestamp='1284154424' post='2449094'] So you change emperors whenever you lose a war? Gotcha. Congrats Heggo. [/quote] You stole my joke. How am I supposed to tell the joke as my own now that you've said it. Thanks a lot man..

[quote name='JT Jag' timestamp='1284071394' post='2448081'] Good job not even trying to arguing the point, friend. You get a PLATINUM star for effort though. [/quote] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=91902&view=findpost&p=2447234 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=91902&view=findpost&p=2447239 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=91902&view=findpost&p=2447261 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=91902&view=findpost&p=2447262 More links, it just goes on and on for a few pages. You were saying?

[quote name='SupremePrince' timestamp='1284075974' post='2448182'] Why do you care what they do so much? Its their business and their allies business lol. [/quote] and my business

[quote name='Biazt' timestamp='1283831252' post='2444831'] Most of the people posting here are the same people I'd expect to agree with nearly anything Schattenman says, so I'm not too concerned about that. For your benefit: if some people here actually decided to use their brains and investigate a bit further instead of blindly following what Schattenman says based on their position in treaty web they would see that the incidents Schattenman is using to try to prove his points are nowhere near the same as the problems we've had with Corinan and Methrage. The first two are simply completed tech deals where the last 50 tech packages coincided with when Smacky went rogue. The third [b]spectacular[/b] example is a brand new nation, less than 40 days old in our recruitment AA making a simple raiding mistake. Of course Schattenman thinks this is comparable to the former second in command at NSO (who stills holds an advisory position in government) sending 4.5m of secret aid to a known nuclear rogue at war with GOONS, and then gloats about it until a spy report is finally generated; especially after an explicit announcement was made by us about aiding him. [/quote] It is very comparable, yes. Just because you don't want it to be doesn't make it so.

The obvious solution for this unfortunate situation is for gOONs to redirect Corinan's aid to CoJ.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1283778519' post='2443715'] 99% of Rulers are irrelevant. Power and influence is held by a small few. So what is your point? NSO had a chance to be relevant, instead all it can do is talk and be a punching bag during wars. Piss poor decisions is a consistency it thrives in. [/quote] This comes from the genius who thought it was good policy to openly attack recent deserters who had joined other alliances. [quote="Fernando12"][quote="SpoiL"]I'm talking about alliances handing over the deserter that joined them.[/quote] AcTi will hand over Hamster. Other alliances will hand over the other deserters. It will happen, they cannot protect them. They will have to sit and watch them be destroyed. The !@#$ they would take if they tried to activate treaties would be huge. Plus, as much as I dislike some of these alliances I will say that the bigger allies of these alliances will agree with us. Deserters are something everyone hates and everyone can agree on. Don't worry about this escalating, it won't.[/quote] One of our members decided to give it to him straight, not just on this issue but in general. [quote="TehChron"]Fernando...Seriously, please stop. I dont know how many times you've been asked, but please, for the love of god, stop.[/quote] I think it's time to 'rise again'. You really laid an egg with this Fernando12 character.

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1283727227' post='2443073'] The tables will never be turned. Your empty bluster is worse than RV's. (His is only better because I like blue.) [/quote] Dare to dream-Even though you ignored the point.

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1283726169' post='2443055'] That's because the NPO's list, and those of many of its allies at that time, were what we now term 'EZI' (up until they all abandoned the practice just before Karma in an attempt to beat back the fires of outrage that were building against them). The EoG list, and the PZI lists of every other alliance, isn't objectionable because any reasonable person recognises that sometimes you get nations who do not deserve peace until they agree to change their ways – most rogues end up on 'PZI lists' of one kind or another because the reps they would have to pay to cover their damages far exceeds what it's possible for them to pay. Hey, thanks for recognising the justification of the amount asked! Yes, a large proportion of this amount is punitive, because of the repeated pattern of NSO doing this ... so it isn't just for sending $3m to a rogue (for which, yes, $90m would be excessive). Most of Methrage's war partners are around 1500 infra, so each extra nuke the $3m buys is around $3m in infra, probably about the same in land and roughly $2m in military costs (aircraft and tanks mostly). That cash can buy you up to 1000 infra (keeping you nuke-capable) from around 500, so that's at least one extra day of nukes (2 nukes with WRC), probably two considering the wonder imbalance. So say 4 nukes, $8m damage per nuke, that's $32m direct damage caused by the aid, and that makes the $90m only 3× reps, which is pretty standard. So heck, if they were going for punitive reps maybe it was too low! (Though the 3× multiplier is designed to be punitive in the first place.) [/quote] Ah, welcome back Hegemonic days. Whats that? You never left us? Since we are charging reps for the simple fact that we don't like the alliance(despite it being the action of a single member), then you will be paying 2.7billion when the tables are turned. (90mil x 30)

[quote name='Biazt' timestamp='1283721733' post='2442987'] Maybe you should read the thread since we went over this already about 5 pages ago. [/quote] I've followed the thread and have no idea what you're talking about. [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1283721819' post='2442992'] If you're cool to cherish people that run around aiding nuclear rogues knowing full well it could've started a war, you're free to. GOONS wouldn't allow that sort of nonsense in our alliance though. Fortunately Corinan decided to man up and pay for his own mistakes so NSO didn't have to.[/quote] I'm sure that Dopp is aware of what he did and is willing to pay for it. He should pay for it, after all. That doesn't change the fact that what you asked for was excessive. The only stupid part was getting caught.