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[quote name='Jocko Homo' timestamp='1297144344' post='2625345'] There, i fixed it for you. But in all seriousness, you make a point, so I will address it. We opened a consulate and invited a delegation from NPO to join us for talks. Cortath and a few others came. Cortath immediately fell into a "NPO has changed, don't judge us on our past actions, judge us on what I say we will do in the future. Trust me, I speak the truth" routine. Within a week we discovered that the very basis of Cortaths statements to FAN were an outright lie. It went downhill from there. You see this as "Opening a dialog", we saw it as proof positive that the "NEW" NPO was the same as the "OLD" NPO. In short, you lied, we caught you, we threw you out. That's your idea of "Opening a Dialog"? Lying? [/quote] If you're going to make so many references to the NPO lying to you, care to share what you were actually lied to about?

[quote name='Lamuella' timestamp='1296460352' post='2612703'] oh even better. How long until you start referring to Archon as The Great Satan? [/quote] Technically speaking, would the correct usage be to call MK the Great Satan? It's kinda catchy, actually

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1296424133' post='2611534'] Yes, I would agree that you're being rather unfairly treated right now, but you need to look at yourself and wonder [i]why[/i] everyone hates you so much they'd do this to you. [/quote] This is exactly the discussion we've been having in the thread up until now, and the general answer we've got is that aside from FAN, who do have a justifiable problem with NPO, it's because NPO hasn't really done anything since Karma.

[quote name='Jocko Homo' timestamp='1296421247' post='2611457'] Actually think it's 2011 but I remember 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 where NPO lied, manipulated, back-stabbed, schemed, attacked Alliances under their protection, Retroactively withdrew apologies and admitted they were fake, Attacked there foes after having attacked them and peaced out, twice. and more.... The fact that you come in here trying to weave this web of NPO goodness is complete nonsense. NPO has been knocked down before and made a big show or being reformed and only after they got strong enough did they recant their apology and attack. You lied to use about going straight and we believed you. Shame on you. But it would be our shame if we believed you again. You are all just a pack of liars and manipulators. Every word you say is crafted to further the goal of domination. Right now your line is "we have been all nice the last year, that is proof we are good" but the reality is you were too weak to do anything and were building up your military as fast as possible. You have proved nothing yet except your unwillingness to change. [/quote] But my Lord Capitan Viceroy Homo Sir, that's rather disingenuous of you, when NPO were knocked down before, I wouldn't really say they made a big show of being reformed, and Ivan Moldavi made that apology for a single thing, rather than actions dating back through several years, so he lied, but he's not even in the alliance anymore, and when did they actually ever assure you they were going straight?

[quote name='Tromp' timestamp='1296386067' post='2611006'] What does? Genuine question here. [/quote] Traditionally, spying, committing an act of war like raiding or aiding someone you're at war with and not making amends in some way or violating community standards (GW1, the Polar part of Bipolar) I went through all the global wars, and that's what we've got. It sort of surprised me, actually

[quote name='Ragashingo' timestamp='1296380296' post='2610931'] Having not been in the NPO for a number of years myself, I've often wondered how much those longwinded papers of insanity actually affect the NPO's daily operation or its member's behavior. Either I just got luck tonight and got to work with a rare but oddly honest group of NPOers tonight, or the alliance as a whole doesn't put the amount backing behind those documents that you suppose they do. [/quote] Granted I haven't been a Pacifican for about six months, but I joined before Karma, and even then Francoism seemed like more of an RP thing, rather than something that we actually consulted for guidance.

[quote name='blueski' timestamp='1296375626' post='2610842'] If that's how you feel, go play Sim City. The graphics are better. [/quote] But Societies was horrible

[quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1296214709' post='2607300'] We will take sledgehammers to your driveways (this is not an actual threat in case you're retarded) [/quote] I was thinking that MK would come and break my fridge

[quote name='lakerzz8' timestamp='1296116169' post='2605160'] It's posts like these that just make yourself and your alliance look foolish. Respected military alliances don't wait until an alliance is getting attacked by 3 other alliances and jump on their coat tails to get in on the action as well. FAN clearly only entered the war because they knew they couldn't lose with all these numbers on their side. No Doomhouse announcement= No Fan announcement. What has FAN done recently that shows they are still a military powerhouse like they once were (4 years ago?). And please don't cite winning those idiotic war games. Edit: Also, if your poll was a random selection of nation rulers, I bet most would not really know who FAN is considering FAN has done nothing in 4 years and the average nation ruler does not read the OWF. [/quote] If they don't read the OWF, how would they really know about anything that goes on? I mean, if they don't read the OWF, while they'd notice a war like this, I doubt they'd look up alliance stats or anything, so they'd have no idea how good anyone was at fighting. Besides, there hasn't really been any breakthroughs in military theory since VietFAN II at least, when they were one of the most battle-hardened alliances out there

This could be fun

[quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1295921436' post='2597617'] Is announcing DoW's twice the new in thing? [/quote] This time, it has a flag, otherwise we wouldn't know it's official

[quote name='der Rote Baron' timestamp='1295769552' post='2593567'] LoL Well I'll see you tomorrow night for our green glow exchange, brutha. [/quote] In retrospect, this has to be the funniest thing I've seen for awhile Nice going, THL

[quote name='NewPoseidon' timestamp='1295687339' post='2591624'] You're saying that [i]my post makes VE=NPO[/i]? How's that even possible? VE members understand, I think, that rank and file NpO didn't have anything to do with this, except through indirect means of general ill-feelings towards VE (if such ill-feelings exist at all). But when individuals post, in defense of NpO, things that are crude and offensive it doesn't exactly make us wanna announce white peace, ya know? [/quote] I'm pretty sure I didn't say that, I think I said that you made a thinly veiled threat that was much like those of the bad old days, and that was somewhat ironic given that previously in your post you scorned the idea that 'NPO wasn't that bad' and that many find your alliance's recent actions very similar to those taken by Pacifica during the past. I realise you are not your entire alliance, and you shouldn't try words in my mouth Besides, I can understand that you might find people calling VE an empty shell offensive, if you're kinda thin-skinned, but it's hard to see why you think people's opinions on NPO in general and NpO's recent actions in particular are offensive.

[quote name='NewPoseidon' timestamp='1295556690' post='2587085'] ....it's like living in a different universe. NpO didn't spy, NPO wasn't that bad, VE is an empty shell. When I tune in tomorrow will I see arguments in favor of fallout shelters? Talk it off NpO (&NSO&NPO), talk it off. Good luck with your rebuilding when this is all over. Keep in mind though, that the more you flame VE the less willing VE members will be to give you lenient terms. Just some advice. [/quote] So, I don't really see how you saying 'shut up or your terms get worse' is any better than many of the things NPO did over the years, and strictly speaking, NpO at worst assisted a spy and accepted information, something you didn't accept as a valid reason for war in '09, so what changed?

[quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1295573605' post='2587505'] Lennox: 2011 CN Player of the Year. [/quote] The thing that gets me, is that if your hated for Polar is justified, then your support for Lennox is unjustified, or at least that's what I keep thinking every single time you leap out from your corner and express your desire to see Polar destroyed. Neither me nor my alliance in general are especially fans of the NpO, but you just seem to be rather obsessive recently, even if they did cost you your reputation and your number one spot in the alliance rankings.

Interesting, I think it's a good move, but I hope you don't end up regretting it

To succeed, you'll need a better flag, but otherwise, good luck

[quote name='Faust Betreur' timestamp='1294757025' post='2571969'] I think you missed my point, maybe because I phrased it poorly. What I really meant, was that if the backseat agitators in this thread crying for war really want war that badly, they would start something of their own and stop praying for this situation [which doesn't concern them] to blow up. It certainly wasn't an invitation for those people to join some sort of coalition of the willing. [/quote] I think it was just Methrage being a dumb !@#$ again, I understood what you meant, it's four in the morning here, and I'm a bit unsober, so I'd say it's pretty clear Edit: The whole posting while drunk thing was going well until I forgot to quote the post I was replying to

[quote name='Axolotlia' timestamp='1294719605' post='2571740'] Well duh... everyone knows you make a [i]new[/i] thread for DoWs! [/quote] [b]I[/b] Said that several pages ago

And I came in here thinking a monthly press conference would be boring [quote name='HellAngel' timestamp='1294742280' post='2571887'] I love how you keep spitting that for pages althought TOP was one of the alliance who actually took responsibility for what they did. If you start a press conference, you need to be prepared to get enquired and not throw a hissy fit over every little question. It was said more than once that TOP does only have very little, if any, anger towards STA for their stance in Bipolar. NpO is a different chapter. [/quote] Very little? Did you actually look at any of Walkerninja's posts? Although I guess maybe he's always like that, I remember thinking the guy with the Cobra Commander avatar seemed very angry all the time And Feanor Noldorin definitely said TOP had problems with STA's actions during Bi-Polar Also, saying that any STA member here as thrown a hissy fit is a ridiculous but also dumb assertion, and you should be ashamed of yourself for making such a patently false claim

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1294700074' post='2571401'] I'm afraid there'll be no DoW in this thread. Sorry. [/quote] Yeah, you usually make a new thread for DoWs, right? I mean, apart from the fact that it's Bernkastel, I don't see how you could do much else, except ask for reps, and I sort of doubt SCLB would offer those

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1294701065' post='2571418'] original arguement, shall we expect some "Your mom" jokes to follow? [/quote] Your mom can expect some "your mom" jokes to follow

But Damsky, your slot efficiency!

[quote name='The Archduke' timestamp='1294663526' post='2571010'] 'What you mean is the next time 5 members of AiD, including lower gov, raids members of a recognized AA and then an irresponsible government minister invents a settlement without permission, and the leader forgets to remove around 7% of the mask[sup]*[/sup], the leader can be ZI'd.' Is there any other evidence we haven't brought up to quarrel over, or have we basically finished? [b][sup]*a punishment which is not in the constitution of UINE[/sup][/b] [/quote] Is being removed from the alliance a punishment in your constitution? Being declared a rogue and losing your membership in said alliance pretty much means losing your [b]member[/b] mask, even if you then get a 'good friend of UINE' mask which gives you the exact same access

[quote name='im317' timestamp='1291158472' post='2526810'] people always say to "do something about it" and now SWAT does something and people are upset, you really cant win here can you. [/quote] I've never said that, besides, you can't make everyone happy, so why care about what people think? Edit: [quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1291160186' post='2526823'] You mad bro? SWAT wants to have some fun, its only a matter of hours before NPO, Invicta, TPF and some tech raiders all want SWAT's slots. if seeing this angers you SOOOOO much i suggest stop reading [/quote] Not really, he asked why Poyplemonkeys wasn't cheering like everyone else, so I suggested something. It's not angering me at all, I'm not sure why you'd think that