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[quote][2011-01-08 05:11:13] <Avakael[RnR]> we talked to the NpO about it. [2011-01-08 05:11:14] <Bilzey[Away]> o/ [2011-01-08 05:11:23] <Avakael[RnR]> because we're sick of UINE's !@#$%^&*.[/quote] Completely ignoring the people involved in this overblown Cluster$%&@. [u]Classy[/u].

[quote name='Toshiro Hitsugaya' timestamp='1294460111' post='2568133'] Well obviously you cannot expect the person who was not even around, and did absolutely nothing to stop the rogues but in fact encouraged it to be truthful. What everyone does not know is that this ordeal was on purpose approved by the MoD and was suppose to be target practice, until someone did a horrible job of looking into AiD history and treaties, and then decided to play it off XD FAIL. Obviously this does not bother me it just shows why UINE fails, and explains why every Minister has and will leave UINE eventually. UINE is the UPN of blue in fact. Oh and your only accomplishment to date is this fiasco right here, and with grammar like yours you should stay off the OWF. [/quote] The 'mastermind' behind this whole fiasco wasn't the MoD, and you know it. Sorel thought they didn't have any treaties and went for it. Obviously, they're paying for it and are being dealt with as ALL routine matters should. The fact that it's become this huge cluster$%&@ over something so [b]ROUTINE[/b], boggles my mind and I care to bet 50 tech that it boggles everyone else not involved in this !@#$. Joe checked AiD and promptly told them they would not be receiving any aid or help at all from UINE if something like THIS happened. Can't exactly control a group of rogues, now can you? Please, for the good and sake of everyone involved, research before you post, else you'll look like a fool.

[quote name='Toshiro Hitsugaya' timestamp='1294458699' post='2568097'] Point blank do your job UINE. 1. Just because you can post an Application does not mean you should be a Minister like 100% of the the Ministers in UINE. Once you get that down then perhaps things like this will not happen in the future. You can throw the blame on who you wish but fact of the matter is going to be no matter what kind of [b]SPIN[/b] you throw. UINE's members did not just go "[b]rogue[/b]" because 1 or 2 people go rogue but 4 or 5 nations declared a state of war on an alliance they did not think had a protector all under your watch, and the Emperor is so inactive he cannot even reply to the questions that he asked for. Everyone wants this thread to come to an end including myself. I suggest UINE accept responsibility for the matter, and move on... like any respectable alliance would. [/quote] This is what the whole thread is about, a thread spun so wildly it amazes most people yet somehow it makes sense for those who spun it. Go Figure. I'll admit that I'm actually surprised R&R is in on this, did not expect this from them, though I did certainly expect something of this from Echelon Rogues attacking, even while it being an organized attack or not, are still rogues Toshiro. You'd better learn that well in this land. I mean let's be serious, how exactly can UINE control it's members? By calmly asking them to move from the AA? Fat chance of that happening from my experience with rogues. Rogues can be stubborn !@#$%^&* and it's Nil to impossible to control them like R&R and Echelon have claimed for. Also, UINE can't exactly move on when it's being threatened by both R&R/Echelon for unreasonable and unacceptable terms that they're now touting over on IRC. Hell, Echelon told NpO that UINE had two hours. Two hours for what? To accept such completely unacceptable terms or get rolled by something that's out of UINE's control? How exactly is that negotiating? Not even willing to talk to the alliance you have qualms, reeks of something which I won't mention here.

Said MA rogues were academy members and normal members, a simple demasking and it was done. Is it that HARD to simply ask Keve to demask them if you're that insecure of them being 'aided' by simply being on a forum? Or is demanding things your MO?

[quote name='Master-Debater' timestamp='1294453647' post='2567957'] Ok now tell me why this deserved a thread of its own? Stuff like this happens every damn day in CN. Members get sick of the game and go rogue on someone. UINE acted as every other alliance in the history of CN has acted when their members refuse to declare peace. They kicked them out and said that the people being attacked could have their way with them. I particularly like the latest round of extortion that Echelon is trying to pull. 2 hours eh? [/quote] I agree, MD. Hell, if this is the kind of !@#$ people are pulling for rogues, then damn. MA would've been rolled faster than a log rolling downhill, with the countless rogues who refused to move out of the AA, despite the constant warring we permitted the other alliances who they rogued on. Did forum access matter, considering that the same rogues from both UINE and MA (Who had countless rogues in that time) aren't even forum active? It shouldn't matter if they have forum access if they're not logging into the damn forums in the first place, calling access to that as aiding a rogue is purely stretching the limits to the damn thing. Also, should it be surprising to you, MD. I mean it's Echelon for crying out loud.

[quote name='The Pansy' timestamp='1294270348' post='2564895'] Best of luck Jarrko, I hope you can find the occasional time to join our musings on Skype [/quote] I echo this fine gentleman's words. Have fun in Univeristy, Jarrko

I will personally yell at the person in charge of Ragnarok (Mykep, Hoo, Taut, whoever) if they don't accept you Wally.

/me strokes his stache Voted for Peggysus, for such is thy will of Carlos

Congrats on the birthday! May you guys keep on rocking.

[quote name='Acca Dacca' timestamp='1293069241' post='2550819'] Good luck to you all, you'll do well with the help of Pansy. [/quote] And NobodyExpects as well. You have my sympathies NE, expect crates of the best Vvardenfall booze coming your way

[quote name='Buds The Man' timestamp='1293116470' post='2551619'] -snip- [/quote] I have to agree with Bud. When an alliance signs with GOD, you know that you have a staunch and loyal ally to the end. Yes, Xiphosis isn't the most diplomatic person but like Bud said, he is consistent with his views and if you do or say something stupid, he'll be up front and blunt honest with you about it.

Classy act from a classy alliance o7 Europa

War has started once more. The propaganda machine has been turned on, slowly gearing up to churn out the drivel and rhetoric that infests the forums around war time. The usual heavy hitters can be seen advocating and debating for their respective side's (actions/stances, take your pick) in this rapidly engulfing conflict. Was NEW in the right? No. Was it ethical for them to do so? Undoubtedly no. Was it moral for them to take vengeance? Vengeance has never been moral. Did NEW exercise their right to take vengeance? Indeed, they did. Were PC/iFOK cowards for not outright defending their ally in NEW? Subjective to each person's independent view, though personally I can understand their position. Is it obvious that they tried their best at ending the conflict peacefully? Undoubtedly so. Did the current power structure surrounding Pandora's Box play a part in this situation? Yes. I do admit that it is a bit surprising to see the past motto of 'Friends > Infra' being used by the side labeled by most as Ex-heg/Polaris against SG/PB. Then again, politics is always in motion and the power that used to rest at Q's hand is now in the hands of SG/PB, there is no doubt about that. Will this war be a curbstomp? That still has to be seen depending on how the counter DoW's are done. Either way, war is war even when it might be vastly overwhelming on one side. All we're here is to play a war game behind a thin veil of a political simulator, not to stagnate the war game by overusing the "realpolitik" of the political simulator. PS: Happy Christmas and Happy Holidays, everybody.

Political positioning at it's best Yay for this brave new world

/me rubs his stache I approve of war, so I approve this wholeheartedly

/me rubs his stache I too, approve of this glorious message

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1292820098' post='2545550'] Everyone needs to go to #cnolympus and send their congratulations to Pansy on his brand new protectorate Drop him off a case of booze, he may need it [/quote] I agree with this man. Pansy will certainly need the booze in the coming hours. You have my sympathies, High Defender of the Hobonets.

Serious step up from Peggy Sue, imo Fake Edit: [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1292803498' post='2545110'] Best of luck. [/quote] I agree with this man wholeheartedly

[quote name='Magister Agricolarum' timestamp='1292795153' post='2544894'] Along with a vast majority of its remaining active government. I'm thoroughly mind-blown, but good luck in any case. [/quote] [quote name='Kevanovia' timestamp='1292795238' post='2544900'] I'm disappointed in you guys. You couldn't handle the heat of being in a poorly labeled alliance, and bailed. tsk tsk I hope the hate carries over to this new alliance. I was pulling for UPN, this is a shame. [/quote] I agree with these find gentlemen. Also, in regards to the bolded part: [quote name='AMERICA UNITED' timestamp='1292794553' post='2544872'] SECTION 1: MEMBERSHIP 1. [i][b]All nations wishing to join or already in Pegasus must be wearing the Pegasus applicant Alliance Affiliation[/b][/i]. Each Recruit must go through the academy and exam before becoming a full time member and being allowed to vote, run, or work in this alliance. [/quote] [b]Wat[/b]

[quote name='Solaris' timestamp='1292754177' post='2544271'] No. You have not said anything against* repercussions and punishments, but you fail to present an understanding, that while spying is spying regardless on the levels and medium it is done, [i]the repercussions are determined [b]regarding[/b] on the levels and medium it's done[/i]. If you want disregard the degree of severity between the two incidents, you should, as well, disregard the degree of severity of the perpetrators' repercussions, unless you're just stretching as far as you can so you can produce propaganda. [/quote] I'll admit that I failed to understand that bit and I thank you for bringing it up, Solaris, much appreciated. What Bob did ingame in spying \m/'s top nation was an act of war against them by infringing their rights of security within their alliance in accordance to \m/'s charter. What Was did was a single act by himself (from the current knowledge that I have, passed information to a small band of people in the Skype Call. And did infringe on VE's rights of security, no doubt about that) and is taking the punishment for that action. Whereas Bob was given the opportunity to repent for his wrong doings against \m/, Was was given no opportunity at all to make it up for VE and is taking the punishment brought down upon him for his action. Therefore losing an entire year's effort of growth into his nation, while Bob hasn't even lost a day's collection on his nation's taxes. * Fixed that for you, not trying to be condescending or anything. Just a Grammar Nazi >_>

I can hear the distant roar of nuclear missiles in the horizon. At least, Pansy's happy. Go High Defender of Hobonets, GO!

[quote name='RePePe' timestamp='1292727289' post='2543538'] This treaty was leaked awhile ago. Nonetheless, it is still going to cause some ripples. One thing people cannot say is that this won't make things interesting. [/quote] I agree with this man 100% percent Also: When will MK/TOP join PB?

[quote name='Smooth' timestamp='1292716563' post='2543225'] Edit: And it has nothing to do with might is right. They could have retaliated but they chose not to. That's their problem, not ours. [/quote] Because \m/ totally wants to put RoK on the spot like NpO did in the last war, right?

[quote name='Solaris' timestamp='1292709264' post='2543085'] Yes. And repercussions are repercussions, regardless of the variance of levels and mediums through which they take place. [/quote] Have I said absolutely anything against repercussions/punishments on spying? No, only the hypocrisy VE seen when both the \m/ and TKTB situation are presented. And my question still lays unanswered.

[quote name='Bergerland' timestamp='1292704292' post='2542975'] I love how VE attacking WasDrogan on accessing multiple nation's information and then sharing said information is somehow hypocritical when Bob spies [i][b]in-game[/b][/i] on \m/'s top nation, yet \m/ calling VE bullies is not considering how the last major war was started and their more recent "attacktorate". Is being a hypocrite while calling somebody a hypocrite another level of hypocrisy? [/quote] Spying is spying, regardless on the levels and medium it is done. I would also like to know with who WasDrogan shared the information with, because so far to my knowledge I've heard only that WasDrogan shared information with 'third parties', even though I haven't seen any shred of evidence to that claim as of this moment.